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An 18 Week Sabbatical

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    zico10 wrote: »

    I was wearing Hoka One One Clifton 4 runners, which I bought at the start of December. When I first wore them, they caused blistering on both my insteps and it happened again tonight. I haven't done a huge amount of running in them, but I thought I'd done enough to have them worn in by now. This clearly wasn't the case, but 24km is the longest I've ran in them by quite some distance. I might just use them for shorter runs, as I do find the cushioning very good and my fear of picking up a stress fracture has significantly reduced since I bought them.

    I'd a similar experience with the Hoka One One Challenger ATR 3 (trail runners). Had done plenty of medium long runs in them but they destroyed my insteps with blisters during an ultra in December. Haven't been able to look at them since.

    Is your tattoo finished? and what did you get? Something you designed yourself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Neady83 wrote: »
    I'd a similar experience with the Hoka One One Challenger ATR 3 (trail runners). Had done plenty of medium long runs in them but they destroyed my insteps with blisters during an ultra in December. Haven't been able to look at them since.

    Is your tattoo finished? and what did you get? Something you designed yourself?

    I actually have a pair of Challenger ATR 3 as well. I haven't found them as bad for blistering as the Clifton 4 runners. The ATRs have had more use than the regular Hoka runners, so perhaps they're just better worn in. I also only ever wear them when running on grass, so maybe the softer underfoot conditions are a factor in not getting blisters. I'm happy enough to hang onto and use both pairs for shorter runs, but I can't see myself wearing either pair for any long runs.

    The tattoo isn't finished, it isn't even near finished in fact. It's a cover up for a snake I had on my upper arm. The finished piece is going to completely wrap around both my inner and outer arm. So far, I've just got the outlining and a small bit of colouring done on the outer arm. There's still a lot of work left and at the current rate of progress, I'll be glad if it's fully finished before Rotterdam.
    It's a underwater collage of tropical marine life, with a turtle as the 'centrepiece'. The turtle is to remind me that I need to go back to Hawaii someday and make up for my substandard performance there last October. And if I lose my appetite for Ironman, I'll just tell people that I really like scuba diving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 29th January
    No weigh-in

    a.m.
    Cross Trainer
    55 minutes on cross trainer; easy effort
    I thought I was meant to be doing an 11km recovery run, so I added an extra 5 minutes to my usual 50. It was only afterwards that I discovered it was a 10km run in the plan, so 5 minutes of my day were wasted.

    p.m.
    30 minutes on treadmill at 5:00/km
    There was no real reasoning behind doing this on the treadmill, other than it seemed like a good idea at the time. I don't attach too much importance to these recovery runs, so it was just a case of getting it done.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:30 - Distance: 6.00km



    Tuesday 30th January
    75.6kg

    General Aerobic Run - 14km
    14.01km in 1:00:32, 4:19/km
    I did this before work and was running towards the faster end of my aerobic pace range. This was as much to do with making sure I wasn't late for work, as any great desire to be running 'fast'. Like most of my runs recently, I was getting faster for no extra effort, the longer I ran. There was one kilometre I did in 4:13, which was 2 seconds per kilometre quicker than I wanted, but I was working no harder than I had been for any other split. It bodes well for what's ahead, I hope.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:01 - Distance: 14.01km



    Wednesday 31st January
    75.6kg

    Medium Long Run - 24km
    24.01km in 1:43:11, 4:18/km
    I wanted to hold my pace between 4:20-4:24/km, but it wasn't proving to be so easy in the opening stages. I had to push harder than I would have liked, to finish a few of these initial kilometres under target. While I wasn't struggling, I never felt like I could simply relax into things. In my defence though, it was a pretty miserable night. Although I escaped any of the heavy showers of snow, that had fallen earlier in the evening, I was still dealing with cold and windy conditions, and the kilometres I was close to missing my target for, were all into a headwind. Then without killing myself, I was still able to salvage them. There's much harder work coming up, but I was well able for what was required tonight, and that's always enough.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:43 - Distance: 24.01km



    Thursday 1st February
    75.1kg

    Recovery Run - 13km
    13.01km in 1:03:29, 4:52/km
    At 6 p.m., I was driving to the NAC, to do this on the treadmill. I wasn't exactly relishing the prospect, when it occurred to me that the treadmill would automatically stop after 1 hour. At the pace I going to run, this would mean I'd be a kilometre short, and I'd have to restart the treadmill for the sake of five more minutes. This was enough to change my mind and I drove on by the gates of the NAC, and continued on to Ratoath, where I did the run on the road. It was late when I started, but I was much happier out in the fresh air, than I would have been in the gym.
    Apart from that backstory, the run itself went well and I finished with a better average pace, than I have been holding for my recovery runs of late. Without any extra effort, I ran several of the kilometres quicker than 4:48. This was my projected marathon pace plus 20% the last time I followed this P & D plan. Come race day in 2014, it turned out to be a bit too soft. But it's good to know that what I adjudged to be "working" 4 years ago, felt so easy tonight.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:03 - Distance: 13.01km



    Friday 2nd February
    74.4kg

    Medium Long Run - 21km
    21.00km in 1:30:09, 4:18/km
    I was hoping for an effortless run tonight. It was like this some of the time, but not often enough for my liking. Rotterdam is getting closer and closer, and halfway through the 18 week plan, I'd love to be running faster for the effort I was putting in. Still, I felt a lot more comfortable tonight, than I felt for the first medium long run I did in December.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:30 - Distance: 21.00km



    Saturday 27th January
    73.8kg

    Recovery Run - 11km w. 6 x 100m strides
    11.00km at 54:44/km
    Bar my customary morning coffee, this was done on empty; 15 hours into a 16 hour fast. It would be silly to get too carried away with anything done in a recovery run, but I felt good for the strides and was hitting speeds I don't remember hitting for a long time. Perhaps even more importantly and a sure sign that fitness is returning, I recovered quickly from all of them.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:55 - Distance: 11.03km



    Sunday 3rd February
    74.5kg

    Long Run - 29km w. 19km at MP(<3:40/km)
    29.01km in 1:50:22, 3:48/km
    Splits;
    Warm up: 8.00km in 30:08, 4:18/km,
    MP KM times: 1) 3:30, 2) 3:32, 3) 3:29, 4) 3:28, 5) 3:32, 6) 3:35, 7) 3:33, 8) 3:36, 9) 3:29, 10) 3:35, 11) 3:32, 12) 3:33, 13) 3:38, 14) 3:34, 15) 3:34, 16) 3:38, 17) 3:33, t18) 3:36, 19) 3:35 Average pace = 3:33/km,
    Finish: 2km in 8:22, 4:11/km
    As usual, I went to the Phoenix Park for my Sunday morning long run.
    For the 19km at race pace, it was my plan to simply do lap after lap of the Playing Fields, until I was finished. At just over 2½km, this meant nearly eight laps in total, which I know sounds like a long and boring run. But if I could hold my hoped for pace, the sense of satisfaction I'd get, would be enough to keep such negative thoughts at day. Unlike my previous marathon paced run, which was a major disappointment, I was quietly confident of getting the job done today. This was partly due to the bit of weight I've managed to shed in the intervening period, but it's mainly due to the fact that I've been running better of late. Thankfully the confidence I had beforehand proved to be well founded, and I was surprised how easily the sub 3:40/km pace came to me.
    The corresponding run in my preparations 4 years ago, yielded an average pace of 3:52/km. Come race day, I ended up running significantly quicker than this in horrible conditions in Connemara. Even repeating the 3:33/km pace I held today, on a much easier course, in 9 weeks would be enough for sub 2:30. I'll still do my marathon paced runs with a target pace of <3:40/km, but with 9 weeks still to go, I hope there are further improvements still to come.
    At no point in today's run, did I think the pace was unsustainable and had it been called for, I'm confident I could have held it for a while longer. Ultimately though, I was happy with what I had did today. I finally feel like I am ready to attempt a marathon PB. I've made hard work of getting here and hopefully I won't f*ck things up from here.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:50 - Distance: 29.01km




    Weekly Totals;
    Running: 8:32 - 118.04km

    Cross training : 0:55
    S & C: 1:40

    There's probably a bit too much triumphalism in my account of Sunday's run, but I'm not going to get carried away with things. There'll likely be plenty more moments of self doubt between now and April 8th, but 17km into the 19km MP effort on Sunday, was the first time since starting the plan, that I truly believed sub 2:35 in Rotterdam is achievable. I've been busy with triathlon training for the last four years, but I've never since came close to replicating my performance in Connemarathon 2014. It's been hard not to have to have doubts that my time that day, might just be my lifetime best for the marathon, but I think I've turned a corner now.

    Lastly, I'd set myself a goal weight of sub 74kg, by the end of January. As it was obvious I wasn't going to get there, I had to implement the drastic measures I alluded to in last week's update. This consisted of four 16 hour fasts on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday night. Although I saw 73.8kg on the scales Saturday morning, I'm fully aware it's not going to stay there without continued discipline. Four 16 hour fasts, over four consecutive days, was a bit extreme. It's something I'd never done before, but sometimes needs must. I hope I don't have to resort to these measures too often, but I still feel like I need to get to 70/71kg and there's a bit to go yet, so there might be a few more hungry days ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,533 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    zico10 wrote: »
    Back when I was 70kg, I always had Ironman racing at the back of my mind (It's still there, btw.) and I thought sub 70kg was too light. I got cold swimming in the pool at this weight. I was also finding it hard to get under 70kg and I just gave up on the target. But that's not to say anything less than 70kg would be a dangerous weight for me. It's just the difficulty I had in getting there that means I won't set it as a target now. I think if I get really serious about marathon running though, I'll just have to endure the hardships and do what it takes to get to this weight.
    Hi zico, just seeing this thread now so best of luck with the training, and apologies for jumping in late on the weight discussion. I was just under 70kgs for Rotterdam last year, for a similar height to your own. I got a body-pod analysis done in UCD at the time, which gave me a BF% of 5%, which was momentarily disturbing. Not entirely convinced about the accuracy of the bodypod (all of the required calibration steps were duly performed), but what it meant was that I wouldn't have much opportunity to drop the weight significantly below 69.5kgs, to realize additional gains in the future, as that would mean dropping the bodyfat lower than 5% (which would be considered unhealthy). The thing is, after giving up the booze and focusing on eating healthy, the mileage did the rest. I was probably eating more than I ordinarily would.

    This time around, I won't specifically be aiming for a target weight, but would imagine that with similar practice, it'll be somewhere around 69-70kgs, and as long as I'm not restricting my calorie intake (e.g. dieting in the traditional sense), I know that the weight is finding it's natural level, and I'm not going to worry about it unduly. Might get another bodypod scan, just from a curiosity perspective. Did you have any body-fat measurements done when you were 70kgs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Did you have any body-fat measurements done when you were 70kgs?

    No, I didn't have anything like that done. I was just periodically weighing myself on a digital scales. I don't plan on doing body fat measurements this time either. When I can see my abs and veins on my arms, I'll know I'm close to racing weight. I also know from being at 70.something previously, it's not a dangerous target for me. I'd agree that severe calorie restriction is not the ideal way to go about weight loss, but I've let myself get too heavy and that's the only way out of the state I'm in.

    I don't know what would be a dangerous target weight for me, to be honest, but it always strikes me that people who run faster than me are invariably skinnier and lighter than me. I'm not for one second underestimating the training you've done, but you're a case in point of my maxim that lighter equates to being faster. And if I do ever want to match your times, I don't believe I'm going to run them at what I currently deem to be my racing weight. Getting to such a weight might very well be a natural byproduct of the extra miles I'd have to do, but that doesn't change the fact that 70kg+ guys running sub 2:30 marathons are few and far between.

    I know I go on about my weight a lot, (This is as much about giving voice to my own inner monologue, as anything else. If anybody feels like chiming in though, have at it. I won't take any offence.), and it probably gets tiresome for anyone reading. But my slow drop off in weight since I started logging here, should tell you I'm not treating it as seriously as I pretend to.

    There's usually a point in my preparations for goal race when the alarm bells go off. Rotterdam is exactly 2 months from today and that still hasn't triggered them. I'm due to do a tune-up race on 25th February and I hope the bells sound before then. I want to be waking up less than 72.5kg that Sunday morning and if I can do that, I'll be at the point you are in not being unduly worried about my weight.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    zico10 wrote: »
    It's a underwater collage of tropical marine life, with a turtle as the 'centrepiece'. The turtle is to remind me that I need to go back to Hawaii someday and make up for my substandard performance there last October. And if I lose my appetite for Ironman, I'll just tell people that I really like scuba diving.

    I love it, much more imaginative than an i :)

    You reminded me of Yoshi, a loggerhead Turtle that made quite an impression on me when I saw her in SA way back when. They're incredibly graceful animals and I can't help but think that they're very wise.

    My god, you're incredibly disciplined with your training and your weight targets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭joey100


    What height are you Zico? I wouldn't have said you look like you needed to lose weight, but your broad enough so that might be more the challenge in losing the weight, body size/style rather than fat. I would tend to agree with you though and say lighter is better, I think most are fair bit away from having to worry about being too light.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 5th February
    75.0kg
    a.m.
    Recovery Run - 6km
    6.01km in 32:56, 5:29/km
    There were two recovery runs scheduled for today; 10km in the morning and 6km in the evening. The run I did now should have been done in the p.m., but I could't see what difference it would have made doing it in the morning. Plus running 6km instead of 10km meant an extra 20 minutes in bed.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:33 - Distance: 6.01km


    p.m.
    50 minutes on cross trainer, easy effort
    This was done at a very easy effort. I said at the start of this log, it was my intention to be doing every single run in the program come the end of January. I've since changed my mind and realised that it's far more important I don't get injured between now and Rotterdam. It has been by training sensibly and not running 7 days a week, that I've made it through the first half of the program still fighting fit. I'm not going to jeopardise anything by forgetting what it is that got me here. If that means substituting the odd recovery run with some cross training, then so be it.


    Tuesday 6th February
    75.0kg

    General Aerobic Run - 14km
    14.01km in 1:02:21, 4:27/km
    I planned to do this on the road, but it was colder than I was expecting and after only a few steps, I decided the risk of slipping on a patch of ice was too great and I changed my mind. I drove to Fairyhouse, with the intention of running on the grass. The paths there turned out to be bone dry. This was in stark contrast to the roads outside and it almost felt like Fairyhouse existed in its own microclimate . It was dark and I decided running on the path was safer than running on the grass, so that's what I did. The loop I was running was just under 3km, but because it was dark and unlit, I couldn't see anything, so I avoided the dreary feeling of repetitiveness that might normally go with run of such nature.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:03 - Distance: 14.01km



    Wednesday 7th February
    75.6kg

    VO2 Max Run - 14km w. 6 x 800m @ 5k race pace
    28 minutes warm up + drills,
    800m Intervals (w. 400m recoveries);
    1) 2:35, 3:14/km, 2) 2:37, 3:14/km, 3) 2:38, 3:18/km, 4) 2:38, 3:18/km, 5) 2:39, 3:19/km, 6) 2:38, 3:18/km
    Totals) 4,800m in 15:45, 3:17/km

    14 minutes cool down
    Full members of the NAC are able to use the facilities in the NSC, while the changing rooms in the NAC are being refurbished. These refurbishments have been ongoing since October, but despite this, I had never availed of the opportunity we had to run on the indoor track in the NSC. The weather was pretty lousy tonight and I didn't fancy doing intervals in such conditions. It only occurred to me on the way to the NAC, to get kitted out for the aforementioned misery, that it would make more sense to do the run indoors, safe from the elements.
    After making enquiries at the NSC's front desk, I found out the track would be available to use from 6 p.m. It was only half 4 at this point, but I was happy to wait and killed the time by having a cup of coffee and typing up some of this weekly log update.
    When 6 o'clock came and I was inside the indoor arena, I became a bit weary about doing the session here, as I was going to have to share the 200m track with 30 kids from a local athletics club. I'd a chat with their coach though and he assured me there would be no problem with us both using the track for our separate sessions. Thankfully things went as smoothly as the coach had predicted and I was able to stay in the inside lane for 99% of the combined 4,800m I had to do.
    Starting off, I wanted to run these at an intensity I could conceivably hold for a 5k race. I didn't really know what pace this would yield, so it was really just a case of doing the first 800m rep and hoping the rest of them ended up being similar. There was a 4 second difference from fastest rep to slowest, but I think this was mainly due to my watch not beginning to record the time until a couple of seconds after I pressed start. After that, I just let the watch run until the end of my hour and as far as I can recall, I ran each 200m lap in 38/39 seconds. The speed wasn't what I would have hoped for, but at least I showed consistency and the main thing about these sessions is that I run them at the right intensity. If I can mange that, everything else should fall into place.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:05 - Distance: 14.00km



    Thursday 8th February
    74.0kg

    p.m.
    55 minutes on cross trainer, easy effort


    Friday 9th February
    74.7kg

    a.m.
    Recovery Run - 6km
    6.01km in 31:24, 5:14/km
    This should have been done in the evening, and an 18km run done in the morning, but as it was a lot more practical to do the longer run in the evening, that's the decision I took. The roads were icy around Ratoath, so I decided to drive to Porterstown Park, where I'd be a lot safer running on the grass. It meant not being able to shower after the run, but better that, than ending up with a broken wrist from a fall.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:31 - Distance: 6.01km


    p.m.
    Medium Long Run - 18km
    18.01km in 1:17:11, 4:17/km
    I did this late in the evening, in the Phoenix Park and stuck to grass for 90% of the run. The pace is starting to feel easier, which I hope is a trend that continues.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:17 - Distance: 18.01km



    Saturday 10th February
    73.6kg

    General Aerobic Run + speed - 13km w. 10 x 100m strides
    13.10km in 55:27, 4:16/km
    The plan was to get this over early and have the end of the run coincide with the end of another 16 hour fast. The plan was to run 6km out my door, turn around, start the 100m strides after 10km, be finished all ten strides by 12km, and go back to running at my general aerobic pace for the final kilometre.
    I was dressed for cold weather, but it turned out to be a relatively pleasant morning and it wasn't long before I felt the disadvantages of the extra layers I was wearing. Unless I turned around and ran back home to shed the layers, there wasn't much I could do about things, so I just carried on whilst tolerating the inconvenience of being overdressed.
    I thought I was moving well, and according to Garmin Connect, my top speed today was 11 seconds per kilometres quicker than my top speed for the strides last Saturday. It's hard to fully trust the accuracy of GPS over such short distances, but it makes better reading than being told I was 11 seconds per kilometre slower. I was taking 100m recovery between the efforts. My breathing hadn't still fallen to a level I would have considered comfortable. I could have done with a bit more than 100m recovering, but this was my original plan, so I just stuck with that.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:55 - Distance: 13.01km



    Sunday 11th February
    74.1kg

    Long Run - 26km
    26.05km in 1:49:37, 4:12/km
    As usual, I was in the Phoenix Park for this. The wind was fairly strong today and I did my best to avoid running straight into it for too long. Obviously this wasn't always possible, and I'd up the effort a little bit to keep the pace where I wanted it. While this was manageable, it never felt like a piece of p!ss and I'm getting that close to the marathon, I'd prefer if it did.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:50 - Distance: 26.05km




    Weekly Totals;
    Running: 7:13 - 97.10km

    Cross training : 1:45
    S & C: 1:00 1 hour yoga

    This was the first week in the plan where I encountered any speed work. So far it's been useful having my old log from 4 years ago to look back upon and use as a gauge of my progress. The paces I'm running this time round are faster, which should obviously be a good thing, but going on the brief descriptions I wrote back then, I seem to have to work harder for them. Had I done Wednesday's intervals outdoors, it would have given me a much better basis for comparison than any of the other runs I've been looking at. Having never ran indoors before, I don't really know what a 3:17/km average really means. From next week onwards though, there's going to be one VO2 max session a week and they'll give a clearer picture of where exactly I'm at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Neady83 wrote: »
    You reminded me of Yoshi, a loggerhead Turtle that made quite an impression on me when I saw her in SA way back when. They're incredibly graceful animals and I can't help but think that they're very wise.

    By that, I'll take it you mean I'm very wise as well. :)
    I just googled 'Yoshi loggerhead turtle': It's an interesting story, but it's sad to think not all turtles in the wild are doing so well.
    Anyway, there's also a jellyfish in the tattoo, one of the most stupid and pointless creatures I can think of, so I wouldn't necessarily read too much into any tattoo I have, am getting, or will get.
    My god, you're incredibly disciplined with your training and your weight targets.

    Setting targets is the easy bit, if I do manage to get under 71kg by April, I might accept the plaudits, but right now, I don't think I'm doing anything hugely impressive. Likewise with the training; If you followed me for 24 hours, half the time, you'd wonder 'What the f*ck is he up to?' I procrastinate like there's no tomorrow and honestly spend longer thinking about going for a run than I do actually running.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    joey100 wrote: »
    What height are you Zico? I wouldn't have said you look like you needed to lose weight, but your broad enough so that might be more the challenge in losing the weight, body size/style rather than fat. I would tend to agree with you though and say lighter is better, I think most are fair bit away from having to worry about being too light.

    182cm

    Sadly, it's what the scales say, that tell me I need to lose weight. Two days before I flew to Rotterdam last April, I was 71.1kg. And I'm certain I was lighter than that for Connemarathon 2014. I didn't die either time, and I haven't exactly been packing on muscle either, so there has to be weight somewhere I can afford to lose. 'Eat less, train more!' is generally a mantra that serves me well. But I'm neither biking, nor swimming these days, so training more isn't going to happen. That simply means 'eat less' is the only option open to me. My weight is slowly dropping and I don't think anything I am doing is risky. If anything, it's the overeating I've done since Kona, that was dangerous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭rooneyjm


    Turtle also represents longevity/ perseverance in Korean folklore.


  • Registered Users Posts: 928 ✭✭✭TRR_the_turd


    Small enough study but the results make a lot of common sense. Basically fasting may be having the opposite effect you’d like to see

    http://8020endurance.com/did-you-get-enough-to-eat/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭joey100


    That study would be very similar in ways to what Laura found during the obesity research. Fasting stops your body producing GLP hormone which helps kick your metabolism in and encourages your body to use it's fuel. That's part of the reason why breakfast, or something to eat in the morning is so important. When we wake we have been asleep/fasting for around 7-8 hours of sleep and probably another hour or two beforehand. Having something to eat in the morning kickstarts the body producing GLP, which in turn kickstarts your metabolism. It's part of the reasoning why plenty of small meals are usually better than 1 or 2 larger ones. Long term fasting can cause damage to your bodies ability to produce GLP and so slow down weight loss as the body doesn't know when it will be fed next so hangs onto everything it can. That's a very basic version of it, and one I'm pretty sure I have told you about before so apologies for any repeating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 12th February
    No weigh in
    a.m.
    30 minutes on cross trainer, easy effort
    A 6km recovery run was in the plan, but I did this instead.

    p.m.
    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.00km at 5:00/km
    To save myself the hassle of putting on mutilple layers, to head out in the cold, I did this on the treadmill instead, where a singlet and a pair of shirts were all I needed.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:50 - Distance: 10.00km



    Tuesday 13th February
    74.3kg

    General Aerobic Run - 13km
    13.00km in 57:08, 4:24/km
    I just kept at a nice and controlled pace throughout.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:57 - Distance: 13.00km



    Wednesday 14th February
    74.4kg

    Medium Long Run - 24km
    24.15km in 1:42:42, 4:15/km
    The evening passed me by, without me even realising it. I drove to the NAC to tog out for the run. I knew it was late, but still didn't realise it was after 8 p.m. by the time I started. I ran to the Phoenix Park and stopped for a whizz at the halfway point. It was only then I checked the time and discovered to my surprise that it was now 9 o'clock and I'd only an hour left before the NAC would close for the day. It had taken me 50 minutes to get the first 12km covered and although I wasn't in any danger of being unable to replicate this on the return leg, I didn't want to run any risks of arriving back and being geeeted with locked gates. Consequently I upped the effort on the way back and ended up covering the same distance a few minutes quicker
    Totals;
    Time: 1:43 - Distance: 24.15km



    Thursday 15th February
    73.3kg

    a.m.
    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.01km in 52:20, 5:14/km
    I was off work, but still wanted to get this done early morning. However there was an unexpected fall of snow overnight, which delayed the start. I was worried that compacted snow would have made for dangerous roads, so I wore trail runners for the added traction they would provide. The snow melted quickly enough and there turned out to be no need for the unusual choice of footwear; better be safe than sorry though, I guess.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:52 - Distance: 10.01km


    p.m.
    30 minutes on cross trainer, easy effort
    I opted for the cross trainer rather than a second run.


    Friday 16th February
    74.1kg

    Lactate Threshold Run - 19km w. 11km at Threshold pace
    18.20km in 1:10:17, 3:52/km
    Splits;
    Warm up: 5.66km in 23:53, 4:13/km,
    Tempo effort: 10.61km in 36:35, 3:27/km,
    Cool down: 1.93km in 9:36, 4:58/km
    I ran this with an old man still clinging to his glory days. Once we'd warmed up, we set off at a tempo effort and I could hear his heavy breathing right away and knew he wasn't going to stick with me for too long. He stayed on my heels for about 2km and as the sound of his breathing faded away, I knew I was going to have to get through the the majority of the work on my own. I felt in control though and wasn't worried about that. My Garmin had been set to autolap every 800m, something I hadn't realised until it beeped unexpectedly early during the tempo effort. I didn't want to go fiddling around with the settings and I wasn't sure exactly how much distance I covered in my warmup. I was running around the Playing Fields in the Phoenix Park; a lap which despite having ran thousands of times, I still don't know the exact distance of. I'd slightly overestimated how long it is and combined with poor mental mathematics, I pulled up 400m short. I'd realised quickly enough, but there was no point starting up again and I stopped the work right there. The whole run was a bit short as well, but I got 96% of the prescribed tempo distance done and not a single kilometre split was outside my target pace. It wasn't because of tiredness that I pulled up early and I'm sure had it been required, I could have managed another one or two laps of the Playing Fields at the same pace. I don't think I'm in marathon shape just yet, but today still compares very favourably with the corresponding run I did in 2014. I held 3:37 pace that day, so to go 10 seconds per kilometre quicker today, is very reassuring. When I referenced this run three weeks ago, I placed a lot of importance on it going well. I'm happy to say it did and it does give me confidence going forward.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:10 - Distance: 18.20km


    After breakfast and 750ml of chocolate milk, recovery today consisted of getting tattooed for 6 hours. It was a tough stint and feeling the worse for the process, I allowed myself eat way too much crap, as reward for the pain.


    Saturday 17th February
    73.6kg

    General Aerobic Run - 13km [/B]
    13.00km at 4:34/km
    So as not to aggravate an open wound, that is a tattoo less than 24 hours old, I wasn't going to run in tight fitting clothing today. I didn't particularly relish the prospect, but a treadmill run was the only option. I just set the pace to 13.4km/hr and used my best mental gymnastics to distract myself from the monotony of slow treadmill running.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:58 - Distance: 13.00km



    Sunday 18th February
    74.1kg

    Long Run - 39km
    39.01km in 2:40:27, 4:07/km
    This is the longest run in the plan and although there wasn't anything hugely challenging about it, I'm glad it's out of the way. Sadly my usual running companion was away on holidays, so I had to do it all my own. It's the longest training run I've done in 4 years and hopefully it will have the effect of ensuring no other run will feel overly long form herein out. Even including the marathon, I certainly don't intend being on my feet for so long for a long time. I consumed plenty of fuel both before and after the 39km. I'll be doing the same come race day, so it doesn't bother me that I might be better served training my body to burn fat. I felt like I coped well with the length of this run, and it was only when I saw 31km on my watch, that I started to think I'd been running for a long time. At that stage though, the end was in sight and the remaining 8km passed relatively quickly.
    I was in the Phoenix Park and without going gung-ho about things, I took in a fair share of the hillier sections. This included one trip up the Khyber, which I happily surmounted without too much of a slowdown. Of course I'll have to run a lot quicker on race day, but there's nothing even remotely like the Khyber in Rotterdam, so hopefully it bodes well.
    I was debating in my head for while, whether I'd finish off with a kick. When 38km flashed, I simply stopped thinking about it, and just emptied the tank. I managed to run it in 3:27, which at the end of nearly a full marathon distance run isn't bad, but at the same time, I hope there's no reason such a strong finish might be required in Rotterdam.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:50 - Distance: 39.00km




    Weekly Totals;
    Running: 9:10 - 127.37km

    Cross training : 1:00
    S & C: 1:20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Small enough study but the results make a lot of common sense. Basically fasting may be having the opposite effect you’d like to see

    http://8020endurance.com/did-you-get-enough-to-eat/

    As well as the small sample size, I'd be curious as to what level those 31 athletes were performing at. At an elite level, runners, cyclists and triathletes are probably never too far off ideal racing weight and given there's not much of an off season, it's probably not a good idea for them to be ****ing around with their diets too much. But for recreational athletes like myself, it's a much different scenario. I won't comment on anybody else here, but for me, I feel like a boxer who just needs to make weight and I'd say it doesn't really matter how do that. I don't even think extended periods of fasting are all that unorthodox. A 16 hour fast is simply not eating 4 hours either side of an 8 hour sleep, and it's only something I've done a few times a week recently. It's not like I've adopted a whole new approach to what I eat.
    joey100 wrote: »
    That study would be very similar in ways to what Laura found during the obesity research. Fasting stops your body producing GLP hormone which helps kick your metabolism in and encourages your body to use it's fuel. That's part of the reason why breakfast, or something to eat in the morning is so important. When we wake we have been asleep/fasting for around 7-8 hours of sleep and probably another hour or two beforehand. Having something to eat in the morning kickstarts the body producing GLP, which in turn kickstarts your metabolism. It's part of the reasoning why plenty of small meals are usually better than 1 or 2 larger ones. Long term fasting can cause damage to your bodies ability to produce GLP and so slow down weight loss as the body doesn't know when it will be fed next so hangs onto everything it can. That's a very basic version of it, and one I'm pretty sure I have told you about before so apologies for any repeating.

    I'm not informed enough about obesity to comment with any authority on the issue, but suffice to say the challenges facing people like that, are not the same as the challenge I have in trying to lose a small amount of body fat. It's likely a whole lifestyle change they need to undergo and telling them to fast for 16 hours is probably neither realistic, nor likely something they can maintain in the long term. I guess setting them on the right path is something doctors would be trying to do from the outset, not helping them lose a few kilos as quickly as possible.


    As for any long term damage I might be doing myself; Suffering from extreme cold, severe malnutrition and scurvy, this guy, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Evans,_1st_Baron_Mountevans, must have as close to death as you could possibly come. He was bedridden for 2 months after the ordeal, but went on to make a full recovery, had a distinguished career in the British Navy and lived to the ripe old age of 76. I'm sure I'll be fine.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭dublin runner


    A really good post here on facebook:

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=382765202198009&id=201462503661614

    He dips into race weight and I would agree with what Stephen writes. I think it's a very interesting post; the importance of being relaxed, not a slave.

    What works for me isn't for all. I go completely carb-free from the Sunday eve to Thursday eve, with a Sunday marathon. I wouldn't recommended it, it's not healthy. In saying that it's only temporary so I don't worry about the negative impact. In no way shape of form would I ever indulge in fasting during training.

    Balance is the key thing.

    Great training by the way!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    A really good post here on facebook:

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=382765202198009&id=201462503661614

    He dips into race weight and I would agree with what Stephen writes. I think it's a very interesting post; the importance of being relaxed, not a slave.

    What works for me isn't for all. I go completely carb-free from the Sunday eve to Thursday eve, with a Sunday marathon. I wouldn't recommended it, it's not healthy. In saying that it's only temporary so I don't worry about the negative impact. In no way shape of form would I ever indulge in fasting during training.

    Balance is the key thing.

    Like I said in my reply to TRR, things are very different for elite runners. I'd certainly agree it's important to strike a balance, but just hear me out; According to the article, Stephen Scullion says for the first 6 weeks of a 10 week training block, he's probably "3-4 pounds" heavier than what he intends to race at. I'd say I've sometimes lost close to that after a trip to the toilet, and if 3-4lbs was all I was looking to lose, then I'd have a similarly nonchalant attitude towards weight loss. Read some earlier articles attributed to Stephen though and you'll see he hasn't always been so easy on himself.

    Getting back to me; In the first 6 weeks of this training block, I was 13-15lbs heavier than what I intend to race at. To just get to what I would consider an ideal training weight, I needed to lose three times what Stephen Scullion does. Based on this morning's weigh in, I've still 4-5 pounds to go. I'm not detailing my approach to weight loss as an example for anyone else to follow and some might think I'm being irresponsible, but at the same time, this log isn't an advocacy group for anorexia. Talking about my weight ad nauseam, keeps me focussed on my target and I think it belongs here. The weight loss goals I'm stating are probably overly ambitious, but not at least aiming for them, wouldn't help me.

    I've done carb depleting/carb loading many times before and I'll be doing it again the week before Rotterdam. It's hard, but I'm not so sure it's unhealthy. (Then just to add the hardship, I abstain from caffeine until the morning of the race as well.) Giving up carbs, certainly sheds weight quickly, but all I think you're really losing is the water that's needed to store glycogen in your body? Once you start eating carbs again, the weight goes back on. I've never been brave enough to try it, but I wonder how I might fare if after abstaining for few days, the first carbs I had were for breakfast on the morning of a race. Only for I've never seen this recommended anywhere, I'd give it a go. Perhaps one of the tune up races in this plan might be a good time to give it a trial of sorts. And I also know some people who claim carb loading is a waste of time, but it's also forces you to be very careful about what you eat and it's the discipline of avoiding carbs that I find good.
    Great training by the way!

    It's okay for a fat fnck. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Carb depletion before a race is not intended for weight loss. The idea is that it prompts super compensation when you start eating carbs again, so you start the race with more glycogen than usual.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭Safiri


    zico10 wrote: »
    Once you start eating carbs again, the weight goes back on. I've never been brave enough to try it, but I wonder how I might fare if after abstaining for few days, the first carbs I had were for breakfast on the morning of a race. Only for I've never seen this recommended anywhere, I'd give it a go. Perhaps one of the tune up races in this plan might be a good time to give it a trial of sorts. And I also know some people who claim carb loading is a waste of time, but it's also forces you to be very careful about what you eat and it's the discipline of avoiding carbs that I find good.

    It's not a good idea and that is why you have never seen it mentioned anywhere before. Whatever about the earlier stuff on diet but the line has to be drawn here as your performance will suffer greatly by trying and lose an extra few pounds. If you abstain from carbs for a few days and go into ketosis which you will, a breakfast on the morning of the race will do sweet fa to top up your stores of glycogen to run well. Someone at your height can probably store 500g of muscle glycogen and to get from a ketonic state to full stores in one meal would require you to eat the equivalent of 20 weetabix for breakfast(cause some incredible insulin spikes as well I'd imagine). You absolutely need to have full stores when running a half/full marathon to perform well and you would lose more by than you would gain from losing those extra few pounds. It's a reckless approach that even the most stringent of people who follow depletion/loading would steer you away from. You can not go from ketosis to race ready in 3 hours with low glycogen stores if you want to run your best.

    You are looking at dropping weight at all cost but that cost could be your marathon if you are going to in with some extreme ideas like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    RayCun wrote: »
    Carb depletion before a race is not intended for weight loss. The idea is that it prompts super compensation when you start eating carbs again, so you start the race with more glycogen than usual.

    I'm well aware of that, hence why I said the below and why I started a separate paragraph on the topic. I only mentioned carb depletion in response to DR's post.
    zico10 wrote:
    Giving up carbs, certainly sheds weight quickly, but all I think you're really losing is the water that's needed to store glycogen in your body? Once you start eating carbs again, the weight goes back on.

    Safiri wrote: »
    It's not a good idea and that is why you have never seen it mentioned anywhere before. Whatever about the earlier stuff on diet but the line has to be drawn here as your performance will suffer greatly by trying and lose an extra few pounds. If you abstain from carbs for a few days and go into ketosis which you will, a breakfast on the morning of the race will do sweet fa to top up your stores of glycogen to run well. Someone at your height can probably store 500g of muscle glycogen and to get from a ketonic state to full stores in one meal would require you to eat the equivalent of 20 weetabix for breakfast(cause some incredible insulin spikes as well I'd imagine). You absolutely need to have full stores when running a half/full marathon to perform well and you would lose more by than you would gain from losing those extra few pounds. It's a reckless approach that even the most stringent of people who follow depletion/loading would steer you away from. You can not go from ketosis to race ready in 3 hours with low glycogen stores if you want to run your best.

    You are looking at dropping weight at all cost but that cost could be your marathon if you are going to in with some extreme ideas like this.

    Thanks. I appreciate the input, but I never intended doing this for the marathon. I said I "might" trial it for one of the tune up races in the plan. I certainly won't be going into the marathon in a ketonic state. After three days eating cheese, meat and eggs, the real risk is that I'll overdose on sugars in the carb loading phase.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭ultrapercy


    zico10 wrote: »
    Like I said in my reply to TRR, things are very different for elite runners. I'd certainly agree it's important to strike a balance, but just hear me out; According to the article, Stephen Scullion says for the first 6 weeks of a 10 week training block, he's probably "3-4 pounds" heavier than what he intends to race at. I'd say I've sometimes lost close to that after a trip to the toilet, and if 3-4lbs was all I was looking to lose, then I'd have a similarly nonchalant attitude towards weight loss. Read some earlier articles attributed to Stephen though and you'll see he hasn't always been so easy on himself.

    Getting back to me; In the first 6 weeks of this training block, I was 13-15lbs heavier than what I intend to race at. To just get to what I would consider an ideal training weight, I needed to lose three times what Stephen Scullion does. Based on this morning's weigh in, I've still 4-5 pounds to go. I'm not detailing my approach to weight loss as an example for anyone else to follow and some might think I'm being irresponsible, but at the same time, this log isn't an advocacy group for anorexia. Talking about my weight ad nauseam, keeps me focussed on my target and I think it belongs here. The weight loss goals I'm stating are probably overly ambitious, but not at least aiming for them, wouldn't help me.

    I've done carb depleting/carb loading many times before and I'll be doing it again the week before Rotterdam. It's hard, but I'm not so sure it's unhealthy. (Then just to add the hardship, I abstain from caffeine until the morning of the race as well.) Giving up carbs, certainly sheds weight quickly, but all I think you're really losing is the water that's needed to store glycogen in your body? Once you start eating carbs again, the weight goes back on. I've never been brave enough to try it, but I wonder how I might fare if after abstaining for few days, the first carbs I had were for breakfast on the morning of a race. Only for I've never seen this recommended anywhere, I'd give it a go. Perhaps one of the tune up races in this plan might be a good time to give it a trial of sorts. And I also know some people who claim carb loading is a waste of time, but it's also forces you to be very careful about what you eat and it's the discipline of avoiding carbs that I find good.



    It's okay for a fat fnck. ;)

    Man you must have some epic ****es. 3 or 4 lbs wow the dog would bark at that one for a while. Best of luck with the training and race. I dont have much input on the rights and wrongs of your approach but its intresting to follow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 19th February
    74.9kg

    a.m.
    30 minutes on cross trainer, easy effort
    Done instead of a 6km recovery run

    p.m.
    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.00km at 5:00/km
    Treadmill Run
    Totals;
    Time: 0:50 - Distance: 10.00km



    Tuesday 20th February
    74.2kg

    VO2 Max Run - 14km w. 5 x 600m at 5K race pace
    14.01km in 1:05:08 4:38/km
    Splits;
    Warm up: 8.68km in 43:01, 4:57/km
    Efforts:
    1) 600m in 1:55, 3:11/km,
    2) 600m in 1:51, 3:04/km,
    3) 600m in 1:52, 3:07/km,
    4) 600m in 1:50, 3:02/km,
    5) 600m in 1:52, 3:07/km
    Totals) 3.00km in 9:20, 3:06/km

    Finish: 1.14km in 6:07, 5:22/km
    I started this in the NSC and after warming up on the cross country route, I ran to Ballycoolin Road and chose a stretch of path where I'd be able to do fast running unhindered. Once I'd chosen such a spot, I spent 10 minutes doing some strides, drills and stretches. Then I got down to work.
    The first interval proved to be the hardest, but as soon as my legs realised how hard I was going to be asking them to work, they felt easier and I was pleased to see a concurrent increase in my speed. Going up a slight drag, numbers 1, 3 & 5 were the hardest, then numbers 2 & 4 were ran in the opposite direction, so were that bit easier. The wind was barely noticeable tonight and it was almost the perfect conditions for running. Although the intervals were 200m shorter than those in the last VO2 max session I did, it felt good to finish them with a faster overall pace. And although there's no way I'd hold 3:06/km for a 5k right now, I didn't have to dig too deep for it tonight. Perhaps I should have backed off, but the effort felt about right.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:05 - Distance: 14.01km



    Wednesday 21st February
    73.4kg

    Medium Long Run - 24km
    24.01km in 1:44:39, 4:22/km
    I drove to the Phoenix Park for this run and spent a good chunk of the 24km outside the perimeter walls. I wanted to keep my pace on the slow side of my 4:02-4:24/km MLR pace range. A few kilometre fell outside this, but it didn't bother me too much. It felt like a long plod and I never found my groove tonight. Afterwards, I wondered would I have been better off pushing a little bit harder, but I did what I had to do and hopefully the comparatively slower pace I ran tonight, will stand to me in the race on Sunday.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:45 - Distance: 24.01km



    Thursday 22nd February
    73.3kg

    Recovery Run/Aerobic - 16km
    16.01km in 1:14:00, 4:37/km
    This run wasn't part of the plan, but being unable to find any suitable tune-up races on Saturday, I've had to pick one on Sunday instead. Because if this, I've decided to switch the next 7 days around a bit. There were two recovery runs scheduled for next Thursday, with a combined total of 16km. I put them together and did the combined distance as one run today. Sticking to the plan, I should have been running at recovery pace today. Had I done that though, I would have had three easy days in a row; something I didn't feel necessary. Instead I decided to put in just a little more intensity and after an easy opening couple of kilometres, this was bordering on aerobic effort.
    I ran along the Royal Canal Way, a route I haven't ran for a while, and it felt good to be back on what is always a very peaceful and run.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:14 - Distance: 16.01km



    Friday 23rd February
    73.8kg

    Recovery Run w. Speed - 11km w. 6 x 100m strides
    11.00km in approximately 53:00
    This was done on a treadmill and when it came time to do the strides, I upped the speed to 21.5kph. I noted when I started the accelerations and after seeing I had 100m done, I dropped the speed back down to 12.0kph. I took 150m recoveries between the efforts, but it took a while for the machine to reduce speed, so the strides probably were that little bit harder than they would have been on the road.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:53 - Distance: 11.00km



    Saturday 24th February
    74.0kg

    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.01km in 51:14, 5:07/km
    I did this before breakfast, but still not at as early an hour as I would have hoped. I know I wasn't looking to smash it, but the legs felt good for the first time in a few days, which I'm hoping is a positive sign ahead of a race tomorrow.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:51 - Distance: 10.01km



    Sunday 25th February
    No weigh-in, but certainly nowhere near the 72.5kg, I was hoping for a while back. I'd already banned ice-cream until 12:30 on April 8th, but now I should probably add peanut butter, chocolate and cake to the list of foods I won't eat until I've done the marathon.

    Easy Run - 3km
    3.01km in 17:15, 3:27/km
    I did this easy right n upon waking, just to get my body fully operational and speed up the old digestive system in an effort to flush out any waste products.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:17 - Distance: 3.01km


    Warm Up - 3km
    3.04km in 13:18, 4:22/km
    Nothing hectic here, just a short jog with a few strides thrown in.

    Race - 10km
    10.09km in 34:57, 3:28/km
    I would have hoped to have been partaking in a more competitive race, where I might have found someone of similar ability to run with. As it was though, I found myself at the start line of a fundraiser for Scoil Mhuire National School, Dunkerrin, a small village just 10km from my home town of Roscrea. Based on last year's results, I was pretty certain I'd be all alone out the front from early on, which is indeed how things transpired.
    Once the starting gun went, I immediately pulled away from the field and it was clear I was going to have to run the entire 10k on my own. This didn't really bother me until I turned into a cnutish headwind just before I had 4km clocked. Up until then, I had been doing okay. My target for the race was sub 34 minutes. I was being ambitious, but having ran 10km in 34:27 as part of a Tempo Run recently, I thought I wasn't being overly so. My pace dropped right down once I turned into the wind, but I still got the first 5km covered in 16:38. I could afford to run the second 5k, 40 seconds slower than the first half, but at the rate I was slowing, this wasn't something I was very confident of doing.
    I was longing for a bit of respite, but instead I was dealt a bastard of a hill in the sixth kilometre. It took me 3:50 to complete those 1,000m and any hope of reversing the slide became more and more unlikely. I was still battling the wind and I knew there was still a bit to go before the road would turn and I just mentally threw in the towel.
    After completing 8km in just under 28 minutes, I turned onto the old N7 and finally had the wind at my back. It was a huge relief and my pace increased. I was still a long way off running as fast I had ran for the first 2km though. And to salvage any hope of going sub 34 minutes, I was now going to have to run two consecutive sub 3 minute kilometres, which was a lot faster than I had ran the opening 2km in. Needless to say this didn't happen, and I couldn't muster anything better than 3:26 and 3:22 respectively, to finish in a disappointingly slow time of 34:57.

    Cool Down - 2km
    2.01km in 10:52, 5:24/km
    Immediately after crossing the finish line, I made my way to my car, put on a jacket and hat and did an easy 1k out from and 1k back to the race HQ, whilst pondering the substandard performance I'd just turned out.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:01 - Distance: 15.14km



    Weekly Totals;
    Running: 9:10 - 127.37km

    Cross training : 1:00
    S & C: 1:20

    I really was hoping for a much better performance in Sunday's race. My PB for the distance is 33:51 and although I didn't truly believe I was going to better that, I did hope that whatever time I did, would have given me enough cause for optimism that I could set a PB in my next tune up race in a fortnight's time. Finishing over a minute outside my previous best, has definitely not had that effect. It's very hard to see how I can hope to make up the 1 minute 8 seconds I'd need to in less than 2 weeks. While I realise the training I'm doing is geared towards a marathon, (which is still 6 weeks away), the plan I'm following had the weekend's 10k as part of the program, and the week's training was geared towards it. It would do a lot for my confidence if I could perform well in these shorter races and I feel as Sunday's showing has knocked me back a bit. I can't just put it down to a bad day. It certainly didn't feel like that. I felt reasonably fresh going into the race and after a good start, it's puzzling how quickly things deteriorated for me. I won't dwell on it for too long. I've two more tune-up races before the big day in Rotterdam, and hopefully I'll fare much better in those.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 26th February
    No weigh-in

    Long Run - 29km
    29.10km in, 2:03:22 4:14/km
    I wasn't particularly enthused about running 29km on a Monday evening, but the plan I'm following, calls for a long run the day after a race. I thought it important to keep this running order, so I planned it last week to postpone last week's long run by an extra 24 hours. So despite the distinct lack of enthusiasm, I'd no choice but to get it done. The fact that it was longer than any other midweek run I've done lately, actually helped me in getting started relatively soon after finishing work.
    My legs didn't feel like I'd raced yesterday, but at the risk of this feeling coming upon me mid run, I ensured I was sufficiently fuelled and scoffed down a handful of jellies, before I started. I began running on The Royal Canal Way and I'd taken a gel with me, which I consumed after 12km. At this point, I turned around and headed back, in the fading light, to my car parked outside my school in Clonsilla. I duly arrived back safe and sound, and finished off with an additional 5km around the well lit streets of Dublin 15.
    Totals;
    Time: 2:03 - Distance: 29.10km



    Tuesday 27th February
    74.3kg

    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.14km in 52:15, 5:07/km
    I did this before work; necessary as I was booked in for more tattooing in the evening.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:52 - Distance: 10.14km



    Wednesday 28th February
    74.1kg

    Cross Training
    1:15 Steady on Stationery Bike Trainer w. {5 x 3:30 20k TT efforts & 2:30 recovery}

    I was scheduled to do a VO2 max session today, but given the huge amount of snow that had fallen in Meath, I wasn't going to be able to get it done outside. I didn't know whether the NAC was open, but even if it was, I wouldn't have been able to drive to it. Unless I ran around my living room, I wasn't going to get the session done. Instead I hopped on my stationery bike trainer and did my best to replicate the intensities of the 1,000m reps I should have been doing. I don't have any metrics to go off, but I did feel like I was fading somewhat as the efforts progressed; a sign of a successful makeshift replacement session if compared to my usual running form.


    Thursday 1st March
    73.3kg

    Cross Training
    1:40 Steady on Stationery Bike Trainer
    Even if Leo Varadkar hadn't basically issued a curfew on the whole country, I wouldn't have risked going outside in the conditions today. Yesterday was the first time I sat on a bike in four months and unfortunately in that time, my arse has gotten soft and tender. After last night's "ride", It was extra tender today and it took a lot of will power to sit on a bike for the 100 minutes I felt I needed to do in lieu of a 19km MLR. I'm delighted it wasn't any longer as it would probably would have meant standing and pedalling for any additional distance I'd have had to do.


    Friday 2nd March
    74.0kg

    Medium Long Run - 19km
    19.01km in, 1:32:34, 4:52/km
    My arse just couldn't face another stint in the saddle and as the original 6 p.m. curfew issued by the Taoiseach had been lifted, I reverted to the original intention in the running plan of actually running. There was tonnes of snow on the road, but a new coating was being laid down all the time, so there no real risk of slipping. Trying to hit my usual MLR pace would not have been the easiest or the wisest thing to do, so I just forgot about how fast I ran and decided I'd only run fast enough to stay warm, which considering I would have been well dressed for cold weather cycling, didn't turn out to be all that difficult. I've honestly probably never ran before with even half the insulating layers I had on today. It turned out to be a lovely run and a perfect antidote to the cabin fever I was experiencing.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:33 - Distance: 19.01km



    Saturday 3rd March
    73.4kg

    Cross Training
    0:55 Easy on Stationery Bike Trainer

    After getting 24 hour respite from sitting in the saddle, I was brave enough to go back on my stationery bike trainer; 55 minutes easy done instead of an 11km recovery run.


    Sunday 4th March
    73.1kg

    Marathon Pace Run - 32km w. 23km at MP
    32.01km in 2:02:16, 3:49/km
    Splits;
    Warm up) 8.00km in 33:10, 4:09/km,
    MP) 23.00km in 1:24:54, 3:41/km,
    Finish) 1.00km in 4:09, 4:09/km
    I drove to the Park for this and for the first time in a few weeks, I was on my own doing Sunday morning long run. With the weather the way it was over the last few days, I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to safely run the required 23km at MP that were the bulk of today's run. Before parking at the Visitors' Centre, I drove around the Park and scouted some potential routes. The snow was thawing, but there were still huge swathes of path covered in it and with no way of knowing where it might have compacted to ice, one thing I certainly wasn't going to do, was try to hit my marathon pace running on any of my regular routes.
    My scouting trip took me down the main thoroughfare of the Park, Chesterfield Avenue, and I saw a lot of runners on the actual roads, which had been cleared by snow plows. Anybody running here had to share the road was cars. The snow had just been swept up into mounds by the roadside and there were only a few inches between these piles of snow and the passing cars. Although running on the roads, meant there was no risk of slipping on compacted snow, I decided early on, that this was only second best of two unappealing choices. Thankfully traffic was lighter than usual and most drivers seemed to understand the predicament runners were, in and drove with due consideration for their safety. At the same time, it would be a very naive person, who would trust everyone behind the wheel of a car to be so understanding.
    The sanest thing to do would be to go to another part of the Park with cleared roads and even fewer cars. Being so choosy, meant I was stuck with a 2.3km stretch of the North Road which I planned to loop back and forth, back and forth on, until I had 23km built up. The thoughts of that were horrifying and I was giving serious consideration to binning today's 23km at MP, emailing Bohermeen AC when I got home, and hoping they'd allow me switch races from the 10k to the half marathon next Sunday. Right up until 7.90km today, I was thinking this. But over the next 100m, I just thought 'Fnck it! Put the boot down and let the chips fall where they may.'
    As it turned out, I was a bit outside my hoped for pace, but it wasn't by such a huge amount that it has me worried of not running sub 2:35 in Rotterdam. (I'm starting to think I won't go much faster than that, but that's for another day.) The manner in which I was running the 23km, meant there were numerous dead stops and about turns. I lost a lot of momentum because of this and it undoubtedly cost me several seconds every few kilometres.
    The nature of the run was tough mentally and despite my previous assessment of it being high risk, I did twice venture onto Chesterfield Avenue to break up the monotony of running 2.3km, stopping, turning, repeat. Running here, I did quite a bit of zig zagging from one side of the road to the other, another thing that cost me valuable seconds. Had I been able to run my usual laps of the Playing Fields, I'm certain I would have finished with an average pace under my 3:40/km target, but at the same time, I slowed drastically over the final quarter of this run. My average pace for the first three 6km segments today were 3:39/km, 3:40/km and 3:40/km This went out to 3:46/km for the final 5k. Even worse is that it was over the final two kilometres, for which I could only run 3:52 and 3:54 respectively, that I lost the bulk of this time. The final 1km kick I was planning to finish with was scrapped long before I got to the end of the 23km. Even had you set dogs on me, I couldn't have gone any faster. This is slightly concerning, but I guess if all I was having were good days, it would be a sign I wasn't aiming high enough.
    Totals;
    Time: 2:02 - Distance: 32.01km




    Weekly Totals;
    Running: 6:30 - 90.26km

    Cross training : 3:50
    S & C: 0:00

    This didn't feel like a great week by any means. The weather played havoc with my plans. Not being able to get out for the intervals midweek, took away one of the sessions I use to judge my form. Then the conditions for my long run on Sunday were far from ideal. At the same time, this particular run was faster than the corresponding run four years ago. If that's all I was going off to judge my form ahead of Rotterdam I'd be confident of doing well, but my poor showing in the 10k last week is still a worry. It's the easier stuff that's turning out faster, but surely it's the harder training where I need to show form. Four years ago I finished off the 23km at MP, with a 3:16 split. It was 3:52 two days ago. I'm racing another 10k on Sunday, some more hard work, and I'm heading into it more in hope than in expectation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭joey100


    How's the tattoo coming along? Many sittings left?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    All the best in Bohermeen Sunday, run well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 5th March
    72.9kg
    a.m.
    Cross Training
    0:55 Easy on Stationery Bike Trainer
    I was supposed to be doing a 6km recovery run, but as there was still loads of snow on the roads, and now that I have my stationery bike trainer set up in my bedroom, I simply hopped on that and did an easy 30 minute indoor spin instead.

    p.m.
    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.00km at 5:00/km
    Done on treadmill
    Totals;
    Time: 0:50 - Distance: 10.00km



    Tuesday 6th March
    74.1kg

    VO2 Max Run - 14km w. 5 x 600m at 5k pace
    14km on treadmill
    As there was still plenty of snow left on the ground from the Beast of the East, finding a clear 600m stretch of path anywhere in Dublin, or Meath, was going up be difficult. So I switched the session to a treadmill.
    To warm up' I steadily increased the pace from 5:00/km up to 4:15/km, over the first 9km. Then for the efforts, I upped the pace to 3:09/km. Whether I'd have held this pace out in the road, I can't be sure, but my legs were working at the requisite effort. I finished unsure if I'd done six efforts or five. I'd never make this mistake outdoors, but if I did indeed do six, it would go some way to cancelling out how much easier it is to do intervals on a treadmill.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:58 - Distance: 14.00km



    Wednesday 7th March
    No weigh-in

    Medium Long Run - 22km
    22.00km on treadmill;
    14km at 4:15/km
    8km at 4:03/km
    I ended up doing this in the morning, which wasn't my intention when going to bed last night. But I woke up early and couldn't get back to sleep. Despite not sleeping particularly well, I wasn't feeling overly tired and I thought I may as well go the gym and do this on a treadmill, rather than waiting until the evening. It was either that or spend an hour and a half tossing and turning in my bed, which was no more appealing.
    Once I'd started, there was no fear of me bailing on the session, but it turned into a long stint and the moments I felt good were few and far between. Like with all treadmill runs, the monotony eventually ended and it felt great to have a longish run out of the way so early in the day.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:31 - Distance: 22.00km



    Thursday 8th March
    74.2kg

    Recovery Run + speed - 11km w. 6 x 100m strides
    11.01km in 57:58, 4:57/km
    After three consecutive days of treadmill running, I was glad to be out in the fresh air for this.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:50 - Distance: 10.00km



    Friday 9th March
    73.6kg

    General Aerobic Run + speed - 13km w. 6 x 100m strides
    13.00km in 57:17, 4:24/km
    I was back on the treadmill for the fourth time this week. I kept the speed at 13.4km/hr, which I upped to 21.7km/hr for the strides.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:57 - Distance: 13.00km



    Saturday 10th March
    73.1kg

    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.01km in 51:52, 5:11/km
    I felt sluggish for this, which on the eve of a race, isn't a great sign. But then I felt good during the last recovery run I did on the eve of a race and ended up racing poorly, so I'm hoping it's a sign I'll turn out a good performance tomorrow.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:50 - Distance: 10.00km



    Sunday 11th March
    73.1kg

    Warm Up - 3km
    3.04km in 13:18, 4:22/km
    I didn't think my warm up before the 10k two weeks ago served me particularly well come race time, so I went for something a little different here. The total distance was almost twice as long and included 3 x 1 minute builds, where I tried to hit MP, HMP and lastly 10km pace. None of them came to me as easily as I would have liked and I wasn't filled with huge optimism before the race.

    Race - 10km
    10.04km in 34:46, 3:28/km
    Taking to the start line, the only two male runners I recognised were Darragh Rennicks and Simon Ryan. I knew they were far faster than me, but I didn't know precisely what they were capable of running for 10km. However I knew them well enough, to know I'd have no business being anywhere near them for too long.
    Today, my strategy was to try maintain a steady controlled effort throughout. I was hoping to be able ignore the pace on my watch as much as possible. Although I knew how slowly/quickly a gap opened on me and the two aforementioned runners, would be a good gauge of how I was running.
    Once the gun went, they both took the lead. Myself and three other runners from Civil Service Harriers were strung out behind them in a line. As the race progressed, I fell away and a gap opened up on me and the other five runners. Had I been willing to suffer, I could have stayed with them for a bit longer and the extra energy expended, might have been compensated by shelter from the wind. Redlining it, didn't serve me too well two weeks ago though, so I thought best to just stick with my plan of holding a sustainable effort. I assumed the three Civil Service Harrier runners knew each other's potential and if they were going to be able to hold the pace they were now running, for the full 10km, then just like it would have been a mistake to try stay close to Rennicks and Ryan, it would have been equally foolish to go chasing them. Position wasn't important to me, but if they were running in a manner I had avowed not to, then I'd reel them in.
    A gap grew opened up on the leaders and two of the three Civil Service Harriers. I knew at the rate the race was now progressing, I should be able to resume contact with those two. I passed both of them in time, but the fastest of the three club mates was increasing his lead on me and disappeared from view after about 7km. Although I'd given up hope of catching him long before this happened, losing sight of him, didn't help and for the second time in 2 weeks, I felt as if I was racing on my own.
    The next kilometre turned out to be the slowest by 4 seconds, and it ignited a determination in me not to let another kilometre creep above 3:30. This sort of worked and I ran the final two kilometres in 3:28 and 3:27 respectively. Being able to reverse the slide this far into race, showed that my determination to keep the effort controlled throughout was standing to me, but I crossed the finishing line without feeling like I'd been in a race and I was sort of sorry I hadn't pushed from the get go, and just seeing what I'd got.

    Cool Down - 2km
    2.01km in 10:52, 5:24/km

    Totals;
    Time: 2:02 - Distance: 32.01km




    Weekly Totals;
    Running: 7:21 - 97.93km

    Cross training : 0:50
    S & C: 0:00

    I did the second tune-up race of the plan this week and I don't think it went a whole lot better than the first one. I adopted a different strategy, but I don't think it served me any better. The final race I'll do, in 2 weeks, is a 4 mile race, so my chances of setting a 10k PB in this block of training are over. I know I haven't been training for 10k, but when I set my PB 4 years ago, that was at the exact same stage of the exact same plan I'm following now. To further emphasise how far off that form I am, it was also on a harder course than Bohermeen. I don't know what to make of this, I really don't. It feels like I'm in a bit of slump at the moment and the strongest case I can make for successfully running sub 2:35 in Rotterdam, is that after following the same program, I was only 52 seconds away from doing it on a much harder course 4 years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Why didn’t you do the half in Bohermeen? It was a deeper field runner wise that would have helped, know of at least two other Rotterdam bound runners that ran it. Just curious as to why you ran the 10k?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    Small enough study but the results make a lot of common sense. Basically fasting may be having the opposite effect you’d like to see

    http://8020endurance.com/did-you-get-enough-to-eat/

    I would not worry zico lately i have read quite a few studies that would comfirm your diet strategy.
    which apparantly also reduces astma and other stuff. they would arguess only eating during 9 hours a day give the body more chance to reduce inflamation.
    its a bit like drinking milke sccience still goes back and forth .

    at the end of the day i have not seen anybody thin as a stick doing really well at world level .
    for females the above article would apply much more . were this is really a common issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    and a little additonal comment it seems like you left your 10 k pb in racing too much in training. its never good too run faster in traiing than in a race.
    seems like the guy living in his past glory was smarter lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    joey100 wrote: »
    How's the tattoo coming along? Many sittings left?

    The tattooist reckons he should get it finished in less than 10 hours, but then a touch-up could be required a few weeks after it's completed. I'm booked in again for a full day on 30th March, and the fact I'm running a marathon so soon after this date, seemingly makes a touch-up all the more likely. Needless to say, the tattooist wasn't so keen on the idea of getting such a big tattoo done so close to the marathon. I'm sorry I opened my mouth about the marathon now. He's not aware I've been running the very next day after all the previous times I've been in with him. I think he's just think he's been ultra cautious with the healing process, TI be honest. Whether or not it's a marathon I'm running, I won't be sitting on my hole for two weeks, waiting for the tattoo to heal. Assuming the 30th March goes ahead as planned, I'll post a pic of the tattoo then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    OOnegative wrote: »
    Why didn’t you do the half in Bohermeen? It was a deeper field runner wise that would have helped, know of at least two other Rotterdam bound runners that ran it. Just curious as to why you ran the 10k?

    I assume you're talking about Krusty and DR here. I was aware they were running the half, but I didn't consider that in making a decision on which race to enter. The plan I'm following called for an 8-15k tune-up race, so an 8-15k tune-up race is what I did. Racing a half marathon at this stage of my training might seem like the most logical thing to do, and if I was getting coached, I probably would have entered and asked the coach to work my training around it. As it is though, I'm following a generic plan and I don't have that leeway. I'm not straying from any other aspect of the plan, so it wouldn't have made sense to stray from the planned for race distances. While I accept the deeper field in the half might have helped, my ultimate goal is a sub 2:35 marathon, not running quickly over shorter distances.

    PS. I'm not really sure how much use to me either of them running in the half would have been. I'd have seen DR at the start and again at the end. I'd have also seen Krusty at the start and if I saw him before the end, it would have been more of a reflection on his race than mine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    zico10 wrote: »
    I assume you're talking about Krusty and DR here. I was aware they were running the half, but I didn't consider that in making a decision on which race to enter. The plan I'm following called for an 8-15k tune-up race, so an 8-15k tune-up race is what I did. Racing a half marathon at this stage of my training might seem like the most logical thing to do, and if I was getting coached, I probably would have entered and asked the coach to work my training around it. As it is though, I'm following a generic plan and I don't have that leeway. I'm not straying from any other aspect of the plan, so it wouldn't have made sense to stray from the planned for race distances. While I accept the deeper field in the half might have helped, my ultimate goal is a sub 2:35 marathon, not running quickly over shorter distances.

    PS. I'm not really sure how much use to me either of them running in the half would have been. I'd have seen DR at the start and again at the end. I'd have also seen Krusty at the start and if I saw him before the end, it would have been more of a reflection on his race than mine.

    Yeah two gentlemen I was talking about alright, wasn’t questioning your plan was just curious as to why really. The few marathons I have ran the max I raced in the build up was 10 miles each time. Really wanted to know the thinking behind it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    OOnegative wrote: »
    Yeah two gentlemen I was talking about alright, wasn’t questioning your plan was just curious as to why really. The few marathons I have ran the max I raced in the build up was 10 miles each time. Really wanted to know the thinking behind it.

    I didn't decide what races to include in the plan, so the thinking behind the distances is not mine. I am simply following the program to the letter. I did this four years ago and it served me well, do I'm merely doing it again. That's honestly as much thought as I've put into things.
    I haven't fully reread 'Advanced Marathoning' since starting this 18 week block of training, but a cursory glance at some of the other programs in the book, tells me longer races are included in some of the other plans. My understanding of the logic behind the race distances in the plan I'm following, is that anything longer than 15k would take too long to recover from, and end up negatively impacting on the rest of the training. If you really are curious as to the thinking behind the race distances, then you could get a hold of the book and read what Pfitzinger and Douglas have to say on the topic, but I don't think it's much more insightful than what I've said here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    peter kern wrote: »
    at the end of the day i have not seen anybody thin as a stick doing really well at world level .

    Are you talking about runners or triathletes here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 12th March
    No weigh-in

    Long Run - 29km
    29.01km in 1:58:47, 4:06/km
    My usual long run on Sunday morning had to be postponed by 24 hours on account of being unable to find a suitable race last Saturday. I started this from the NAC and ended up doing loops and more loops of both Ballycoolin and Waterville. It had the potential to be really monotonous, but it didn't feel that way at any point. I was dwelling on yesterday's race and how far off my weight loss targets of three months ago I am, when it occurred to me how close Rotterdam actually is. I had a gel with me, that I was prepared to take if need be, but I got on fine without taking fuel or water on board. Frustration seemed to be enough to keep me going. I wouldn't say I was keeping the effort in check, but I was never working overly hard either. In the end I was happy enough with the overall pace.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:59 - Distance: 29.01km



    Tuesday 13th March
    72.7kg

    a.m.
    Cross Training
    30 minutes easy on stationery bike trainer
    This was done instead of a 6km recovery run.

    p.m.
    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.00km at 5:00/km
    Boring enough plod on the treadmill; not much else to be said about it.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:50 - Distance: 10.00km



    Wednesday 14th March
    73.6kg

    VO2 Max Run - 19km w. 6 x 1,200m at 5k pace
    19km on treadmill
    9km warm up,
    6 x {1,200m at 3:09/km & 600m at 5:00/km}
    I'd been planning to do this session outside, but the weather was completely miserable and I wasn't tough enough to face it. The pace for the 1.2km intervals was comfortable, but I'm acutely aware of how much easier they were always going to be on a treadmill, so I can't draw much satisfaction from the session. I've only two more VO2 max sessions left before the marathon, which I want to do outside. So hopefully the weather plays ball for them.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:31 - Distance: 19.00km



    Thursday 15th March
    72.6kg

    a.m.
    Cross Training
    30 minutes easy on stationery bike trainer
    This was done instead of a 6km recovery run.

    p.m.
    Medium Long Run - 24km
    24.01km in 1:41:38, 4:14/km
    I drove to The Phoenix Park with the intention of running as much of this as I could on grass. But between this and that, it was dark by the time I started. The grass was soggy and as I couldn't really see the many puddles I ran through in the opening 10 minutes and I ended up just sticking exclusively to the paths. It was all done south of Chesterfield Avenue and took in plenty of the hillier sections of the Park. I was slow to get going, but the pace came easily enough for most of the kilometres after that. Then I'd unexpectedly slow down and I'd have to push a little harder so as not to finish the split outside my upper time limit of 4:24. It felt more like a "long" run than a "medium" long run, but finishing so late in the evening (21:35) no doubt contributed to that.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:42 - Distance: 24.01km



    Friday 16th March
    73.1kg

    General Aerobic Run + speed - 13km w. 8 x 100m strides
    13.00km in 57:17, 4:24/km
    I did this on a treadmill and when it came time to do the efforts, I upped the speed to 20.0km/hr and ran at that pace for 100m at a time. I took 100m recovery for which I dropped the speed down to 12.6km/hr. I didn't feel like I was getting sufficient recovery, but the machine I was on automatically stops after 60 minutes of use and not wanting to be caught out by this, I didn't think I could afford to spend any longer recovering.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:57 - Distance: 13.00km



    Saturday 17th March
    73.6kg

    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.01km in 53:01, 5:17/km
    An easy 5k out my front door, then 5k back; all done before breakfast.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:53 - Distance: 10.01km



    Sunday 18th March
    74.6kg

    Long Run - 35km
    35.01km in 2:31:05, 4:18/km
    I drove to The Phoenix Park for this, with my fingers crossed all the way there hoping that the overnight snow hadn't made running treacherous. Conditions were fine as it turned out, but it took me a while to suss this out and I was being very cautious to begin. I was running cautiously throughout really, but extremely so for the opening few kilmoetres. Although I was meant to be running sub 4:24/km pace, there were a couple of splits that went above this. I was more concerned with staying upright though and I wasn't prepared to go chasing the pace. I held a steady effort over the 35km and I'm happy enough with the pace this yielded. I got loaded up on Skittles and Monster energy drink before starting, but all I took during the run itself was a few sips of water, with about 10k remaining. I'm not trying to train myself to go without fuel, but I thought running 2½ hours without sugars, would be an ideal opportunity to burn off some excess body fat.
    Totals;
    Time: 2:31 - Distance: 35.01km




    Weekly Totals;
    Running: 10:23 - 140.04km

    Cross training : 1:20 Three separate stints on my stationery bike trainer
    S & C: 0:00

    My final tune-up race is happening on Sunday. It's the Dunboyne 4 Mile, which is a bit shorter than what the book advises. But it's close to where I live, and the shorter distance fits better with my plans to just go out like my life depends upon it and seeing how long I can hang on. Unlike the last two 10k races I've done, this is the approach I usually take to racing. It's hardly the best strategy, but from my vantage point, it seems to be only seasoned runners who pace things properly and still finish feeling like they fully delivered. I didn't have that jaded feeling in my legs after either of my last two races. In the last few months, I've experienced it after some training runs though and I finished them in better humour than I did either of the two aforementioned races. I want to experience the feeling that I've emptied the tank after the 4 Mile on Sunday, and whatever the result, I'll be happy if I achieve that. And on the plus side, however badly things go, I've never raced a 4 Mile before, so a PB is guaranteed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Best of luck in Dunboyne tomorrow, run well!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 19th March
    74.1kg

    a.m.
    Cross Training
    50 minutes easy on stationery bike trainer
    I did this instead of a scheduled 10km recovery run.

    p.m.
    Recovery Run - 6km
    6.00km in 32:44, 5:27/km
    I'd only intended doing the stationery bike training today, but as the day wore on, I started to feel guilty about not continuing the run streak I've been on. This was the first Monday in a while, that didn't include a second shorter daily recovery run in the evening. I didn't think it would do any harm in going out for an easy 6km, like I have been doing of late. I drove to Fairyhouse Race Course, where I could run on grass. I was sort of half enjoying it and the thought crossed my mind of doing the full 10km recovery run that was in the program. The light was fading though and in the end, I abandoned that idea. Had it been next week, after the clocks had gone forward, it might have been different. But either way, doing or not doing the extra 4km, isn't going to have any effect on how I fare in Rotterdam.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:33 - Distance: 6.00km



    Tuesday 20th March
    74.6kg

    Cross Training
    55 minutes steady on cross trainer, w. 6 x 0:20 building to maximum effort
    I was in with a physio early evening and after some Acupuncture, he cautioned against running for the rest of the day. He gave me the go ahead to cycle or cross train though. My original plan was to do intervals today and I wasn't going to try to replicate that session on a cross trainer. With the final tune-up race in the plan occurring 24 hours later than scheduled, it was probably wise that the 600m intervals, designed to prep me for the race, were also pushed forward 24 hours. If I simply swapped the VO2 max session with tomorrow's 24km medium long run, I would have had to spend one hour forty minutes on a cross trainer, which needless to say wasn't very appealing. There was an 11km recovery run + speed, scheduled for Thursday and that stood out as being by far the easiest thing to mimic on a cross trainer. So that's what won out.


    Wednesday 21st March
    73.5kg

    VO2 Max Run - 14km w. 5 x 600m at 5k pace
    14km in 1:06 approximately
    Splits;
    Warm up: 7.02km in 34:08, 4:51/km,
    (Stretches)
    1km approximately of drills & strides,
    Efforts:
    1) 600m in 1:45, 2:55/km,
    2) 600m in 1:52, 3:07/km,
    3) 600m in 1:50, 3:02/km,
    4) 600m in 1:53, 3:07/km,
    5) 600m in 1:49, 3:01/km
    Totals) 3.00km in 9:09, 3:03/km

    Finish: 1.92km in 10:55, 5:41/km
    After the physio treatment yesterday and a 24 hour delay, I felt more ready to take on these 600m intervals than I did yesterday. I feel I've spent too much time obsessing about pace during most of the runs I've done in this block of training, so my goal tonight was simply to run fast and see what it got me. I drove to the Park and did the intervals on the path at the far side of the Playing Fields. After sussing out wind direction, I took the executive decision to run the majority of the five efforts with the assistance of the wind. Once started each individual 600m rep, I attacked from the get-go and I was pleasantly surprised with the outcomes. I certainly wouldn't run a 5k race at 3:03/km pace. It's unlikely I'd have even held it over 800m intervals, but I wasn't trying to do either tonight and I finished feeling a lot better about things, than I did before I started. I'll adopt the same strategy for Sunday's race and hopefully I'll finish that just as content as I was about these.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:10 - Distance: 14.00km



    Thursday 22nd March
    72.7kg

    Medium Long Run - 23km
    23.01km in 1:38:39, 4:17/km
    I wanted to keep this towards the slower end of my 4:02-4:24/km pace scale, which is what happened. The pace was very manageable, but still not as comfortable as I would have liked, and I never felt like I could afford to stop looking at my watch and just relax into the run.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:39 - Distance: 23.01km



    Friday 23rd March
    72.7kg

    General Aerobic Run + speed - 13km w. 8 x 100m strides
    13.12km in 59:46, 4:33/km
    My triathlon club had a training weekend in Carlow. The majority of members had cycled down in the morning, but with a marathon looming, I chose to drive. Another member got a lift off me and when we got to Carlow, we did this run together. Most of it was alongside a path next to the river Barrow. It would have been a nice route had it not been so slippy. We turned early to be sure of doing the strides on solid ground. We began the run almost immediately after the drive down from Dublin and it wasn't really until the strides started, that I felt fully loosened out.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:00 - Distance: 13.12km



    Saturday 24th March
    No weigh-in

    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.00km in 52:41, 5:16/km
    I was still down in Carlow and with the inclusive buffet breakfast ending at 10 a.m., I wanted to get this run done before that time. Otherwise, I risked running with a bellyful of food, which is never a great feeling.
    I got less slow as the run progressed, which is better than nothing, I guess.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:53 - Distance: 10.00km



    Sunday 25th March
    74.6kg

    Recovery Run - 3km
    Just doing my usual short pre-breakfast shakeout on the morning of a race.
    3.35km in 17:46, 5:17/km

    Totals;
    Time: 0:18 - Distance: 3.35km


    Race - Dunboyne 4 Mile
    Warm up
    4km with drills & strides (No GPS watch)

    Race
    6.42km in 21:22, 3:20/km
    KM splits; 1) 3:08, 2) 3:19, 3) 3:21, 4) 3:21, 5) 3:24, 6) 3:29, 7) (430m) 3:17/km
    Like I've said elsewhere in this log, I wasn't particularly happy with my two most recent 10k races. For both of them, I tried settling into what I felt was a sustainable pace. I finished both regretting that I hadn't put it all on the line in pursuit of a good time. I certainly wasn't in PB shape for either race, but I finished the two races knowing I could have worked harder. I've since looked back over 'Advanced Marathoning' and the following line stuck with me; "By tune-up races, we mean all-out efforts, not races in which you give less than your best." Going all-out early on in both tune-up races, might have seen me finish with slower times, but I couldn't class either as an "all-out effort". Whatever happened in today's race, I didn't want to finish today's race with similar misgivings.
    After the warm up, I took up position near enough the front of the field. I'd no right to be toeing the line with Mick Clohisey and others of his calibre, but standing between two Dunboyne AC club mates whose pedigree I was aware of, I figured I was standing exactly where my running pedigree warranted.
    The starting gun went and I went out hard. It meant I was in the company of faster runners and everybody around me in those early stages would ultimately finish ahead of me, but thankfully it helped me get off to a clear start. I was working overly hard, but I simply thought 'Fnck it, this what you'd planned, so just stick with it.' I was running alongside Kevin Moriarty, who went posted a 20:14 finishing time, so I was clearly way out of my depth. But still I don't regret the approach I took and so concerned was I with leaving it all on the line, that I actually moved in front of him at one point. He wasn't long regaining the lead. He did this with relative ease and after it happened, it became apparent how much I had invested in getting off to a good start. The pass happened before we got out onto the Dunboyne bypass and before turning back off the 1.5km stretch of bypass to head into Dunboyne Village, I was passed relatively easily by three or four more runners (I forget really).
    There was still about half the race to go and I was now slowing significantly. From here on, my hope was simply not to lose any more places before the finish line. I hoped at this stage that anybody who had the beating of me was already ahead of me, but I'd no intention of easing off and kept reminding myself of my resolve to push as hard as I could for as long as I could. I arrived back in the village and wearing Dunboyne AC colours, meant I was getting plenty of cheers from the locals. This helped me keep up the effort, but not enough to reverse the drop off in pace I was experiencing, since the start of the second kilometre.
    I could hear somebody closing in on me for quite some time, which ensured I kept up the effort in the closing stages. I crossed the '600m to go line' still leading him, but I was gone into the red and my only hope of keeping my position, was the chase was costing my pursuer more energy than I was expending in holding him off. This wasn't the case and he eventually passed me with around 300m to go. It prompted a fight back that didn't last much longer than two seconds. I was bunched and had no answer.
    Thankfully, there was enough of a gap between me and the next runner and I was able to cross the finish line without having to fight off any other challenges.

    Cool down
    2km easy (No GPS watch)
    Just a gentle jog before refuelling with cake and coffee in the community centre.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:52 - Distance: 12.42km




    Weekly Totals;
    Running: 6:25 - 81.90km

    Cross training : 2:23 A combo of swims, stationery bike training and one stint on a cross trainer in the NAC
    S & C: 0:35 One failed attempt to restore good habits

    The 3:20/km average pace I finished with in Sunday's race was realistically the best I could have hoped for today. The pace is 2 seconds per kilometer quicker than I held when I set my 10k PB just over 4 years ago. The way last Sunday's race was going, it's likely I'd have slowed to such a degree, my average pace would have crept above 3:22/km had I to run an extra 3.6km. So I don't believe the 4 Miler was a better performance than when I ran my best 10k time training for the Connemarathon in 2014. Still, I'm a good bit happier with my most recent race than I was with the previous two races in this training block. It's not enough to leave me super confident of delivering a PB performance in Rotterdam. Even in the best case scenario, I still think running sub 2:35 in 2 weeks' time, is going to be touch and go. Nothing will stop me going for it though. I don't know if I'll take the same kamikaze approach in Rotterdam as I took to Sunday's race, but it's somewhat reassuring to know that I can run a lot slower than I did in Dunboyne and still achieve my goal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    zico10 wrote: »
    Assuming the 30th March goes ahead as planned, I'll post a pic of the tattoo then.

    @joey100, I was in with tattooist on 30th. I wanted him to finish off the colouring on the outer arm, but he said if he tattooed the inner arm, it would heal quicker. He was pretty insistent that this would be the smarter thing to do for someone running a marathon in less than 10 days. The tattooist obviously knows better than me, so I took his advice. This is how the tattoo is looking now;

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    qyshz8.jpg

    As it's covering up an old tattoo, it might be a bit hard to make out the piece on the inner arm, but it's an octopus and the dark blues either side is the ocean. I'm not fully decided on the colour of the octopus yet, but I'm thinking orange. I'll have to talk to the tattooist again though to see if orange works in a cover-up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Monday 26th March
    74.0kg

    Long Run - 27km
    27.01km in 1:56:31, 4:19/km
    I was in the Phoenix Park for this, with the intention of sticking to grass for the whole run. My speed was dropping though and it was going to be easier maintain pace on the road, so I switched to tarred paths after about 20km. Over each ⅓ of the run, my pace dropped from 4:18/km, to 4:19/km, to 4:20/km; maybe not huge drop offs on the face of it, but things were starting to feel like more of a struggle. Perhaps I should have expected to feel a bit flat after racing all out yesterday, but the average pace I held, is 40 seconds slower than I want to run in the marathon. It's a huge gap and it I think it should have felt a lot more comfortable than it did. I don't know what it means for Rotterdam, but it's allowing doubts to creep in.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:57 - Distance: 27.01km



    Tuesday 27th March
    74.2kg

    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.14km in 50:34, 4:59/km
    I'd only rejoined Dunboyne AC a few hours before the 4 Miler last Sunday. It was just in time seemingly, as tonight was the last chance for members to collect key fobs for the clubhouse and track. I had to pick it up after a Fit 4 Life session, at 9 p.m.I drove out there for 8 p.m. and did this run beforehand. Bar Sunday's race, it was my first time running in Dunboyne in a few months. I find I don't appreciate much during a race so I didn't really take in the route and there was something nice about running old familiar roads tonight.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:51 - Distance: 10.14km



    Wednesday 28th March
    73.2kg

    Recovery Run - 10km
    10.14km in 50:34, 4:59/km
    Just not to be doing two straightforward recovery runs for two days in row, I was going to include some strides in today's run. After consulting the book though, I found out that it was supposed to be simply 10km straight on the eve of this week's VO2 max session, which is happening tomorrow. Given the importance I ascribe to interval sessions, especially the very last on in a training block, I opted to leave out the strides.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:51 - Distance: 10.14km



    Thursday 29th March
    73.4kg

    VO2 Max Run - 19km w. 3 x 1,600m at 5k pace
    15km in 1:10 approximately
    Splits;
    Warm up: 6.49km in 32:26, 5:00/km,
    (Stretches)
    1km approximately of drills & strides,
    Efforts:
    1) 1.61km in 5:12, 3:14/km,
    2) 1.61km in 5:12, 3:14/km,
    3) 1.61km in 5:06, 3:10/km
    Totals) 4.83km in 15:30, 3:13/km
    I drove to Dunboyne AC to use the 400m track to do the intervals, mainly because I couldn't think of anywhere easier to do them. I warmed up with a 3km run to a cul-de-sac in a housing estate in Dunboyne and another 3km run back. For the 1.6k intervals, I switched my watch to record in miles. Im not 100% sure of what my 5k pace should be in miles, so the effort was much more controlled than it was for my intervals last week. The first two intervals were done anti-clockwise around the track, then I switched direction for the third rep. I don't know if it's due to the peculiarities of the track in Dunboyne, a strength imbalance in my right and left leg, or GPS inaccuracies, but the faster pace I held running in a clockwise direction has always been typical for me. The pace was about what I would have expected. I'm not getting too excited about the session, but then I'm not too disappointed either.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:10 - Distance: 15.00km



    Friday 30th March
    72.7kg

    Recovery Run - 8km
    8.01km in 40:07, 5:01/km
    I had to check 'Advanced Marathoning' a couple of times to confirm it was an only an 8km recovery run in the plan. Bar the double runs days, I haven't had anything so short in the 17 weeks thus far; a sure sign that the marathon is just around the corner. It was a nice easy effort beginning from the NAC out to the National Cross Country Route on the NSC campus. Apart from the fact the ground was wet and I wasn't wearing appropriate footwear, there's not much else to comment upon.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:40 - Distance: 8.01km



    Saturday 31st March
    72.4kg

    General Aerobic Run + speed - 11km w. 8 x 100m strides
    11.00km on treadmill, Average pace = 4:22/km
    I was back in getting tattooed yesterday. Not wanting to wear clothing on top of fresh wounds, it meant I went with the treadmill for today's run.
    I set the treadmill to 13.4km/hr (4:24/km) for the majority of this. I started the strides after I had completed 9km, at which point I upped the speed to 20.0km/hr and finished out the 100m at this pace. For recovery, I dropped the speed back down to 13.4km/hr, finished out the next 100m at this pace, then upped it again to 20.0km/hr, and on, and on, until I had all eight strides done.
    Totals;
    Time: 0:48 - Distance: 11.00km



    Sunday 1st April
    72.1kg

    Medium Long Run - 21km
    21.01km in 1:26:19, 4:06/km
    First ⅓: Average pace = 4:13/km, Middle ⅓: Average pace = 4:03/km, Final ⅓: Average pace = 4:04/km
    I felt a bit sluggish at the start of this and the first two kilometres both took me 4:20. It didn't help that I'd started off running into the wind, which remained against for the opening 7km. For the pace I was holding, it felt as if I was working too hard during this opening ⅓. Thankfully it became easier after taking a right hand turn and I got out of the headwind. Once I got going, I didn't want any drop off in pace over the 90 or so minutes I'd be running, so I'd push a little bit harder when I came upon any drags.
    The run came at the end of another 16 hour fast and not having had any breakfast beforehand, there were a few brief moments during the run when I wondered if it was wise to have gone out without any drinks or fuel. But these moments passed almost as soon as they came and everything worked out okay in the end.
    Totals;
    Time: 1:39 - Distance: 21.01km



    Weekly Totals;
    Running: 7:43 - 102.18km

    Cross training : 2:52 A combo of swims and stationery bike training
    S & C: 0:40 One trip to the gym; better than no trips, I guess

    There's only week to D-Day and although there's nothing more I can do to prepare for the race, I'll hold off on predicting a time just yet. I won't be happy with anything less than sub 2:35 though, but I still haven't decided on a strategy yet. It's about time I know, but it's either roll the die, approach it aggressively and hope that works, or be more sensible about things and go for even splits, but where's the fun in that? I've made it this far through the plan unscathed, which is great, as I know not everybody is so fortunate. But having done that, I would have thought, I'd have emerged the far side a better runner. The evidence for that is fairly scant and the excuses I can come up as to why it didn't happen are fairly lame and I won't embarrass myself by listing those excuses here.
    Thinking positively though, I have successfully gotten through the exact same runs that delivered a massive PB for me four years ago. Sure, the majority of my races this time round were disappointing, but then I wasn't training for these shorter distances and I'm going to be much better primed next Sunday, than I was for any of the tune-up races. I'm trusting that's going to be a huge factor in how I'll run. Fortuitously I'm also in the middle of two weeks off work right now. I'm already feeling much fresher and there'll be no excuse not to get a good night's sleep every single night of race week either.
    Looking back on how I ran in Rotterdam last year (2:42:51), also gives plenty of hope. In 2017, I got injured in the build up and missed a lot of training. In each of the first three weeks of March, I ran 0km, 3.7km and 4.7km respectively. It was touch and go whether I was actually going to make it to the start line, so to still finish with a time of 2:42, having made it to halfway in 1:17, is encouraging. The lead up this year has been infinitely better than 12 months ago, so hopefully it stands to reason I should race infinitely better too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭joey100


    Looks like it's coming together! Inside of the arm is sore, but only line work so should heal fair bit quicker than shading or colouring. I don't envy you after that though, there's a reason only one of my arms has the inside done!

    The lad who finished just ahead of you in Dunboyne has very similar targets to yourself for the marathon, races for Activ when he does Tri, very good runner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    All the very best Sunday, hope the race goes the way you want.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Really cool tattoo, love the colours and the design. The tortoise is very realistic.

    "the hay is in the barn" as they say, give your all and bring home the bacon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭MalDoc


    Best of luck at the weekend! That 16:8 really seems to have paid dividends the last week. Out of interest, what's your approach to diet the week of a big race? Do you plan out each meal or just avoid carbs a few days before the race....


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Best of luck at the weekend Alan!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭joey100


    Best of luck this weekend, hopefully we see you make a return to tri after it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭rodneyr1981


    Best of luck this weekend Alan hope all goes to plan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Hope you get what you want this weekend! Hope the uncontrollables go your way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭Kurt.Godel


    zico10 wrote: »
    Plus it can be bloody hard, and that's sometimes as good a reason as any for doing anything.

    This is great advice, made me push harder in training this afternoon and I've been thinking about it a lot since. Have a good hard race on Sunday all the way to the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    MalDoc wrote: »
    Best of luck at the weekend! That 16:8 really seems to have paid dividends the last week. Out of interest, what's your approach to diet the week of a big race? Do you plan out each meal or just avoid carbs a few days before the race....

    The 16:8 dieting would definitely pay dividends if I wanted to squeeze into a wedding dress. It remains to be seen how effective it will be for my marathon though. In truth, I've left it too late to get to my racing weight. When you consider it's basically only not eating 4 hours before bed and skipping breakfast, I don't think 16:8 fasting is all that drastic. But if I was lighter two months ago, I probably wouldn't have done it so routinely.

    As for my diet during the week of a big race; From Monday onwards, I'll avoid carbs for 3/4 days, then gradually reintroduce them from Thursday/Friday. The day before the race, I'll eat minimal solids and get most of my calories from liquids. It's toast and jam on the morning of the race, two cups of coffee and a sports drink. Half an hour before the race, I'll drink a can of Red Bull and eat a handful of jellies. Then immediately prior to the starting gun, I'll either have a gel or scoff down some more jellies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Kurt.Godel wrote: »
    This is great advice, made me push harder in training this afternoon and I've been thinking about it a lot since.

    I didn't intend it as advice, but I'm glad it resonated. I look forward to reading about this particular swim in your log.


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