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wrangler · 04-02-2018 11:55AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Yes, and I have absolutely no problem with that (despite what other posters on here might say about it). Being able to guarantee a constant supply increases your bargaining power with your customers, the large supermarkets.

It's a necessity, don't you know well you can't get top dollar for surplus product, the more that's tied into fixed contracts the better
Have to look at the broader picture, do we try to stop lamb imports or do we allow processors to import lambs to hold on to customers. That's assuming we had any power to stop them importing....which we don't
Likewise the feedlots, would every farmer sign a contract to supply a certain quantity per week.......might sign it alright but unlikely to deliver

Willfarman · 04-02-2018 12:54PM

wrangler wrote: »

It's a necessity, don't you know well you can't get top dollar for surplus product, the more that's tied into fixed contracts the better
Have to look at the broader picture, do we try to stop lamb imports or do we allow processors to import lambs to hold on to customers. That's assuming we had any power to stop them importing....which we don't
Likewise the feedlots, would every farmer sign a contract to supply a certain quantity per week.......might sign it alright but unlikely to deliver

If the imported lambs are costing less or even the same as our own then no we have no grounds to attempt to stop it.
But if we had any intelligence we would boycott thems that's at it thereby giving their opposition a competitive advantage even for a week or two..

But alas we are a little shy on intelligence why else would we torture ourselves with slee derivation and hardship every springtime!!

Back on this ifj article they missed a trick in my view by making a unsubstantiated claim they should of had some balls and said something like 5 million profits per week and at least provoke a reaction from the industry.

wrangler · 04-02-2018 01:42PM

Willfarman wrote: »

If the imported lambs are costing less or even the same as our own then no we have no grounds to attempt to stop it.
But if we had any intelligence we would boycott thems that's at it thereby giving their opposition a competitive advantage even for a week or two..

But alas we are a little shy on intelligence why else would we torture ourselves with slee derivation and hardship every springtime!!

Back on this ifj article they missed a trick in my view by making a unsubstantiated claim they should of had some balls and said something like 5 million profits per week and at least provoke a reaction from the industry.

If you're all correct in your calculations on boards here I can't believe that there isn't one farmer out of the the 100000 in the country that has the balls to tear their figures apart and put their name to it on a public forum. I await the next few weeks with anticipation
As for Bass's cop out, When I write to them I use the proviso that they don't print it if it needs editing, simples

TITANIUM. · 04-02-2018 02:06PM

wrangler wrote: »

If you're all correct in your calculations on boards here I can't believe that there isn't one farmer out of the the 100000 in the country that has the balls to tear their figures apart and put their name to it on a public forum. I await the next few weeks with anticipation
As for Bass's cop out, When I write to them I use the proviso that they don't print it if it needs editing, simples

Not trying to argue now Wrangler but i just want to know!

A. Do you believe the figures printed by the IFJ to be accurate?

And B. If not are you playing devils advocate or just arguing for the sake of it.

Do not reply to this post unless you are willing to give a 1 word anwser to A. And a very short reply to B.

Thank you.

Willfarman · 04-02-2018 02:31PM

wrangler wrote: »

Willfarman wrote: »

If the imported lambs are costing less or even the same as our own then no we have no grounds to attempt to stop it.
But if we had any intelligence we would boycott thems that's at it thereby giving their opposition a competitive advantage even for a week or two..

But alas we are a little shy on intelligence why else would we torture ourselves with slee derivation and hardship every springtime!!

Back on this ifj article they missed a trick in my view by making a unsubstantiated claim they should of had some balls and said something like 5 million profits per week and at least provoke a reaction from the industry.

If you're all correct in your calculations on boards here I can't believe that there isn't one farmer out of the the 100000 in the country that has the balls to tear their figures apart and put their name to it on a public forum. I await the next few weeks with anticipation
As for Bass's cop out, When I write to them I use the proviso that they don't print it if it needs editing, simples

At the bottom of the third page there is a full and frank admission that there isn't close to enough data available to attempt to accurately estimate profitability. So pulling them up is pointless.

wrangler · 04-02-2018 02:45PM

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Not trying to argue now Wrangler but i just want to know!

A. Do you believe the figures printed by the IFJ to be accurate?

And B. If not are you playing devils advocate or just arguing for the sake of it.

Do not reply to this post unless you are willing to give a 1 word anwser to A. And a very short reply to B.

Thank you.

The issue is not the accuracy of the article as it's fairly well explained that they're given an opinion based 0n figures that's already in he public domain.
Critics here have used words like lazy , misinformation, reading something into the editors offer from LG.....and lots more. just because it's fashionable to criticise,....and they say the vegans are bad
OK I'm good at basic maths and would put a different calculation on their computations,but it'd only be an opinion too like everyones' here and certainly wouldn't stand up to scrutiny .
But I don't think it's a reason to go on an ego trip about it, IFJ do a good job and they are the envy of a lot of the tabloids,

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/irish-farmers-journal-a-leader-in-the-newspaper-field-1.1705625

wrangler · 04-02-2018 02:47PM

Willfarman wrote: »

At the bottom of the third page there is a full and frank admission that there isn't close to enough data available to attempt to accurately estimate profitability. So pulling them up is pointless.

As i say , just an opinion

TITANIUM. · 04-02-2018 03:06PM

wrangler wrote: »

The issue is not the accuracy of the article as it's fairly well explained that they're given an opinion based 0n figures that's already in he public domain.
Critics here have used words like lazy , misinformation, reading something into the editors offer from LG.....and lots more. just because it's fashionable to criticise,....and they say the vegans are bad
OK I'm good at basic maths and would put a different calculation on their computations,but it'd only be an opinion too like everyones' here and certainly wouldn't stand up to scrutiny .
But I don't think it's a reason to go on an ego trip about it, IFJ do a good job and they are the envy of a lot of the tabloids,

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/irish-farmers-journal-a-leader-in-the-newspaper-field-1.1705625

You might be good at basic maths but your terrible at following basic instructions. Anwser the questions put to you in the manner I outlined or don't quote the post. Simples!
The lads are discussing the article and expressing their own opinions on it.
You on the other hand are attacking their right to do just that. If you have an opinion of your own then I'd live to hear it. But what your at is a bit silly and juvenile if you ask me. Me thinks Wrangled has to much time on his hands.

Good loser · 04-02-2018 08:09PM

wrangler wrote: »

The issue is not the accuracy of the article as it's fairly well explained that they're given an opinion based 0n figures that's already in he public domain.
Critics here have used words like lazy , misinformation, reading something into the editors offer from LG.....and lots more. just because it's fashionable to criticise,....and they say the vegans are bad
OK I'm good at basic maths and would put a different calculation on their computations,but it'd only be an opinion too like everyones' here and certainly wouldn't stand up to scrutiny .
But I don't think it's a reason to go on an ego trip about it, IFJ do a good job and they are the envy of a lot of the tabloids,

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/irish-farmers-journal-a-leader-in-the-newspaper-field-1.1705625

I think it's an excellent paper and has been for many decades.
They have been blessed in their editors.
Have read farming papers from other countries and they don't match the IFJ. Nor do the other Irish papers or the Supplements.
Particularly good at keeping on top of the Brussels news and their alerts on the intricacies of the various farm schemes are invaluable.

wrangler · 04-02-2018 08:40PM

Good loser wrote: »

I think it's an excellent paper and has been for many decades.
They have been blessed in their editors.
Have read farming papers from other countries and they don't match the IFJ. Nor do the other Irish papers or the Supplements.
Particularly good at keeping on top of the Brussels news and their alerts on the intricacies of the various farm schemes are invaluable.

And I've directed people on here to email them for information and they've replied promptly
Of course they are good, but are seen as part of the establishment on here, in with the factories etc'
As per that article on the IT they are forging ahead, this new farm will give them a run for their money though

epfff · 04-02-2018 09:41PM

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I was expecting this thread to be about beef prices avaible to farmers from processors not profits beef processors can make and the quality of the irish print media

Good loser · 04-02-2018 09:46PM

wrangler wrote: »

And I've directed people on here to email them for information and they've replied promptly
Of course they are good, but are seen as part of the establishment on here, in with the factories etc'
As per that article on the IT they are forging ahead, this new farm will give them a run for their money though

What new farm Wrangler?

wrangler · 04-02-2018 09:57PM

Good loser wrote: »

What new farm Wrangler?

They have a demonstration farm in Tullamore, they leased it last years so it's only starting.
Suckler and sheep, they were going to show us how it's done, but it has been riddled with problems, two infertile bulls out of three that were purchased and now the manager is going.
Hpefully it straightens out

Base price · 05-02-2018 01:36AM

Any updates on the replacement Stena Line ferry for FR calf exports.
From what I have heard "Das Boot" still isn't in place.
One wonders who's hands this protracted delay is playing into :rolleyes:

TITANIUM. · 05-02-2018 01:41AM

Base price wrote: »

Any updates on the replacement Stena Line ferry for FR calf exports.
From what I have heard "Das Boot" still isn't in place.
One wonders who's hands this protracted delay is playing into :rolleyes:

Jesus don't mention Das Boot, you know what happened to them.
Your point is spot on. Every delay affects the amount of cattle we can get out of the country. The more we can get rid of the better

wrangler · 05-02-2018 08:51AM

Base price wrote: »

Any updates on the replacement Stena Line ferry for FR calf exports.
From what I have heard "Das Boot" still isn't in place.
One wonders who's hands this protracted delay is playing into :rolleyes:

Are you not in the market for calves, surely it must be a help,

Base price · 05-02-2018 10:47AM

wrangler wrote: »

Are you not in the market for calves, surely it must be a help,

Not 100,000 of them, that was the number that was exported last year.

wrangler · 05-02-2018 11:01AM

Base price wrote: »

Not 100,000 of them, that was the number that was exported last year.

No,but just to take the edge of the trade while you're buying could put a few grand in your pocket. Have to think of No 1 first. mightn't be easy buy when the boats do run.

Base price · 05-02-2018 11:18AM

wrangler wrote: »

No,but just to take the edge of the trade while you're buying could put a few grand in your pocket. Have to think of No 1 first. mightn't be easy buy when the boats do run.

It will certainly collapse prices for all breeds of calves.

Bass Reeves · 05-02-2018 11:38AM

Buying cheap calves because exporters are not able to compete is of no advantage to the drystock sector. In general cheap calves means you save 20-50/head. It rarely effects HE or AA calves as these tend not to be exported. However it comes back to bite you when you sell into a market in 6, 12 and 18 months time as store are plentiful.The real killer is at slaughter as when there is excess stock aroung and chills fill up processors drop prices by 20-50c/kg which equates to 50-150/head.

Willfarman · 05-02-2018 12:50PM

It’s not too bad if they don’t all wind up as under 24 month bulls all coming fit in the same 3 months! I think that silver bullet for the industry has been sent to the smelters though while the memory of spring 14 lives!

05-02-2018 03:25PM

epfff wrote: »

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I was expecting this thread to be about beef prices avaible to farmers from processors not profits beef processors can make and the quality of the irish print media

+1

Pidae.m · 05-02-2018 10:54PM

One man in Bandon (a retired farmer) bought 25 Hereford bull calves 3-4 weeks old €410 average for the bunch . The world is phucked

CloughCasey1 · 05-02-2018 11:33PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

One man in Bandon (a retired farmer) bought 25 Hereford bull calves 3-4 weeks old €410 average for the bunch . The world is phucked

That's crazy. They will be worth €480 by Christmas if they are nice sorts.

Bass Reeves · 06-02-2018 12:31AM

Pidae.m wrote: »

One man in Bandon (a retired farmer) bought 25 Hereford bull calves 3-4 weeks old €410 average for the bunch . The world is phucked

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

That's crazy. They will be worth €480 by Christmas if they are nice sorts.

But sur that the price of em

patsy_mccabe · 06-02-2018 01:14PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

One man in Bandon (a retired farmer) bought 25 Hereford bull calves 3-4 weeks old €410 average for the bunch . The world is phucked

You dont hear the dairy farmer complaining.
Was it in the mart he bought them?

cute geoge · 06-02-2018 02:29PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

That's crazy. They will be worth €480 by Christmas if they are nice sorts.

Any calf that would make over €400 would be a miller of a calf you can be sure ,I have heard of such bull calves to be killed at under 16 months and achieving a price over €1300 now I have no clue what they would have cost in feed to get them to that stage but it can be done by top class operator!!

Pidae.m · 06-02-2018 06:57PM

Some lovely bunches of Hereford bullocks sold down here for €600 the last few weeks. That's why I think calves at €410 is bollicks

White Clover · 06-02-2018 07:02PM

Pidae.m wrote: »

Some lovely bunches of Hereford bullocks sold down here for €600 the last few weeks. That's why I think calves at €410 is bollicks

Did you see any 300-350kg white head heifers selling recently? Yearlings.

Pidae.m · 06-02-2018 07:02PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

You dont hear the dairy farmer complaining.
Was it in the mart he bought them?

Ya all bought in the mart. Said he wanted them all the one day. On the back of that then people seem to think a fr bull calf that's worth 120 seem great valve at 200.

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