New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

99 Bortles of Beer · 05-02-2018 07:36PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Do you know something the rest of us don't that leads you to the conclusion that it was a 'classless' coaching decision?

Honestly all these snarky comments without any facts or proof are just so disrespectful to a great head coach.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and taking their word that it was a strategic coaching decision.

You've yet to explain why you agree with them that benching a guy that they thought was good enough for 99% of snaps through 18 games was a sound, strategic decision.

TOss Sweep · 05-02-2018 07:37PM

Patww79 wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Isn't most of what all of us write our own viewpoint and opinion? Isn't that the whole point of a forum to discuss these things? This place is hilarious at times.

eagle eye · 05-02-2018 07:41PM

You must be a terrible coach IMO.

See what I just did there, I gave you my opinion about you without any information about your coaching but just based it on the fact that you are criticising the greatest head coach in the history of the sport.

How do you feel about my opinion? Do you think its fair for me to make that assessment with so little information?

Maybe that will help you understand where I am coming from.

I am not saying for certain that they made the right decisions. I am saying that we have very little information and should trust that the coaches made the right decision for the team.

And just to clarify I am not judging you as a coach, that was just making a point.

eagle eye · 05-02-2018 07:58PM

TOss Sweep wrote:

Even if he did miss the curfew and smoked some weed sit him for a quarter and tell him if he doesn't perform in the rest of the bowl he is done and can find a new team. Not using him is just madness over some ****ing. I honestly don't care what he has done. Unless he murdered someone or raped someone or broke the law he should have played and deal with the issue after the bowl. Patriot way is too ****ing strict and petty at times.

Well that is a great example to give the rest of the team for sure.

Utopia Parkway · 05-02-2018 08:09PM

It's hard too know what to say about the Butler situation as per usual there is zero information coming from the Pats. I imagine something will come out in the media in the next few days though.

Butler hasn't had a particularly great season but I think he would have been keen to perform last night on a big stage knowing that he was playing for a contract for someone other than the Patriots.

Seeing guys like Bademosi miss basic straight up tackles on 3rd down put the tin hat on it unfortunately.

Also rotten to lose Gronk and Cooks in successive games to helmet to helmet shots. Between those and the 2 TD's last night I don't think anyone can argue that the Pats have the officials in their back pockets.

TOss Sweep · 05-02-2018 08:12PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You must be a terrible coach IMO.

See what I just did there, I gave you my opinion about you without any information about your coaching but just based it on the fact that you are criticising the greatest head coach in the history of the sport.

But unlike you I will say that is your opinion and you are entitled to it and I respect your opinion and disagree with you. Also it doesn't matter whether he is the greatest or worst. Everybody can and will make mistakes and everybody is open to criticism including Bill. Not one person is exempt from it.

How do you feel about my opinion? Do you think its fair for me to make that assessment with so little information?

Seen as Bill is not here to defend himself it is irrelevant how I feel unless you speak on behalf of Bill right? Besides I could care less how you feel about my coaching.

Maybe that will help you understand where I am coming from.

No not really because unless you are Bill or speak for Bill everything you say is just Your opinion.

I am not saying for certain that they made the right decisions. I am saying that we have very little information and should trust that the coaches made the right decision for the team.

And just to clarify I am not judging you as a coach, that was just making a point.

And that is your opinion and I disagree with you but unlike you I wont shoot you down for your opinion. Or have a go at people for their opinions. That is the difference here. You seem to know best though so it is what it is.

99 Bortles of Beer · 05-02-2018 08:14PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You must be a terrible coach IMO.

See what I just did there, I gave you my opinion about you without any information about your coaching but just based it on the fact that you are criticising the greatest head coach in the history of the sport.

How do you feel about my opinion? Do you think its fair for me to make that assessment with so little information?

Maybe that will help you understand where I am coming from.

I am not saying for certain that they made the right decisions. I am saying that we have very little information and should trust that the coaches made the right decision for the team.

And just to clarify I am not judging you as a coach, that was just making a point.

You know exactly what you're doing with this post and it's really, really childish.

But what else can we expect from someone who said he'd celebrate another man's death last night.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 05-02-2018 08:42PM

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

I do think Butler should have played and shouldn't have been benched. I also think it's wishful thinking on Butler's part, to think he could have been the difference. Why? Well he's hasn't been great this season and he did nothing to earn a new contract with his play. So no reason to think that would have suddenly changed last night. That said, I think it was poor form to bench him and it smacks of a classless coaching move imo.

Because his replacements, the players behind him in the depth chart, the players that are widely recognised to be inferior to him, played crap and were a clear weak link. Rowe was clearly being targeted with great frequency and success. There were about 3 cases when Rowe and Bademosi were directly and solely responsible for a TD or 3rd down conversion. A better player, in this case Butler, could have ended one of those drives or stopped a TD.

TOss Sweep · 05-02-2018 09:03PM

99 Bortles of Beer wrote: »

You know exactly what you're doing with this post and it's really, really childish.

But what else can we expect from someone who said he'd celebrate another man's death last night.

I agree but the sad part is I could give two flying ducks about what he thinks about my coaching or me

Water off a ducks back.

eagle eye · 05-02-2018 09:36PM

TOss Sweep wrote:

I agree but the sad part is I could give two flying ducks about what he thinks about my coaching or me Water off a ducks back.

I wasn't giving an opinion on your coaching which l made clear at the end of the post but you seem to be of the opinion that I was.

eagle eye · 05-02-2018 09:38PM

99 Bortles of Beer wrote:

You know exactly what you're doing with this post and it's really, really childish.
But what else can we expect from someone who said he'd celebrate another man's death last night.

Maybe I shouldn't respond and just report your post but you quote me and don't address what you quoted, you just attack the poster.

Ignore is the place for you maybe.

Marty Bird · 05-02-2018 09:47PM

Eagle eye is it possible to get Pats tickets for the 2018 season or do they all be sold out? Can you point me in the right direction thanks.

eagle eye · 05-02-2018 09:51PM

Marty Bird wrote: »

Eagle eye is it possible to get Pats tickets for the 2018 season or do they all be sold out? Can you point me in the right direction thanks.

Well there is a long waiting list for season tickets, you have to pay to be on the waiting list and it takes years to get season tickets.

You would have to source tickets for every game individually. Some of the lads are pretty good at pointing you in the right direction.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 05-02-2018 10:29PM

I posted this is the SB thread as well, but the tough line on Butler makes little sense when you see the way they handled CJones and his issue that time (which was worse if the Butler report is true). CJones played cause we needed his talent and then he was gone. No reason not to do the same with Butler.

TOss Sweep · 05-02-2018 10:46PM

Marty Bird wrote: »

Eagle eye is it possible to get Pats tickets for the 2018 season or do they all be sold out? Can you point me in the right direction thanks.

July they go on General sale on ticketmaster but sell out quickly

Stubhub and Ace Ticket are your best bet and the cheapest is to buy them the week of the game sometimes you get them at face value on the Saturday before. All instant download also.

Pats tickets are easy to get if you are willing to Pony up for them.

ScrubsfanChris · 05-02-2018 10:53PM

Lions confirm Patricia as new Head Coach. It's never official until it's in a tweet:D

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/960605764409798662

TOss Sweep · 05-02-2018 11:18PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I wasn't giving an opinion on your coaching which l made clear at the end of the post but you seem to be of the opinion that I was.

What is funny is that by justifying it your post now makes less sense. Sad part is you get offended on behalf of Bill all the time. One would think you speak on his behalf. Our opinions of Bill are our opinions and if you don't like our opinion of him that is fine but your style of defending him was a horrible comparison. It is actually hilarious to be honest watching you come to his defense like it is a personal crusade or something.

You don't need to tell us how great he is but you also don't need to speak for him. Bill could give 2 ducks about us on here so why you feel the need to defend his honor over someone's opinion is beyond me. But hey keep on trucking EE whatever floats that boat of yours.

vetinari · 05-02-2018 11:30PM

Bill's ego got to him in the SuperBowl. He's gotten to the point that he believes it doesn't matter who he puts out there. The Eagles were baffled and delighted to see Rowe out there. What was really galling is that be didn't correct his mistake and send in Butler.

He wasted a fantastic performance by Brady because he was too stubborn to admit he was wrong. He preaches do your job to the players but completely ****ed up his job in the biggest game of the year.

eagle eye · 06-02-2018 12:31AM

TOss Sweep wrote:

What is funny is that by justifying it your post now makes less sense. Sad part is you get offended on behalf of Bill all the time. One would think you speak on his behalf. Our opinions of Bill are our opinions and if you don't like our opinion of him that is fine but your style of defending him was a horrible comparison. It is actually hilarious to be honest watching you come to his defense like it is a personal crusade or something.
You don't need to tell us how great he is but you also don't need to speak for him. Bill could give 2 ducks about us on here so why you feel the need to defend his honor over someone's opinion is beyond me. But hey keep on trucking EE whatever floats that boat of yours.

Was Butler healthy enough to play?

Can you answer that question with 100% certainty?

99 Bortles of Beer · 06-02-2018 12:55AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Was Butler healthy enough to play?

Can you answer that question with 100% certainty?

Is Belichick known for having healthy players inactive while having an injured player who he doesn't plan to play a single snap active?

Do you think that is a good decision that improves the teams chance of winning?

TOss Sweep · 06-02-2018 01:09AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Was Butler healthy enough to play?

Can you answer that question with 100% certainty?

Good enough to avoid the inactive list suit up and play 1 snap. If you truly believe he was still sick and not well enough to play then you are doing nothing more than reaching at this point. Look we get it your head is so far up Bills ass that you are speaking on his behalf. Just stop at this point you are never going to convince anyone to follow your opinion on the matter.

I have given my opinion on this more than enough and the only way for me for not starting him or at least playing him in some capacity is him killing someone, raping someone or being locked up for the week. Minor infractions could have been dealt with a lighter sentence or after the fact like he did with Jones and Welker in the past. Bill and/or Matt fooked up last night in my opinion and not playing Butler in some capacity was stupid at best.

That is my opinion. But feel free to come back and speak for Bill and tell me I am wrong even though you are no closer to the truth either unless you know Bill personally.

bruschi · 06-02-2018 09:04AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Was Butler healthy enough to play?

Can you answer that question with 100% certainty?

the coaches have said it was a football decision and it wasnt injury or health related.

Belichick has said "Malcom Butler was benched strictly for football reasons"

Patricia has said "we needed enough guys to be active for the game to play, for whatever situation that came up. If he was called upon, he was ready to play in those packages if that situation arose"

So yes, I believe Butler was healthy enough to play, and going by the Patriots coaching staff, 100% certainty at this stage to say that.

bruschi · 06-02-2018 09:16AM

On the game itself, sickening loss. No other way for it. The defence cost us the game, no doubt in that at all. The offence set Superbowl records in yards and completions over 20 yards and points scored by a losing team. But if you concede over 40, your chances of winning are extremely slim.

It was clear as day that Rowe was targetted from the get go. It was so obvious, but nothing was done on it. I agree that Butler was below par this year, but that doesnt mean you just dump him in the last game of the year. How is that the best preparation for the team? If Butler wasnt good enough, then drop him earlier in the year, not for the last game. No one knows how the game would have went, but Butler, despite his poor play this year, was still one of the top tacklers on the team. Tackling, IMO, was a huge issue. Who knows?

Also, this whole "In Bill we trust" is a load of dung. Coaches and players arent infallible. If they make a mistake, they have to be accountable for it. It doesnt mean they are poor or that they should be cast to the scrapheap, but having a good record behind you is not an excuse for making dumb decisions. We've had this discussion on here before, so there is no real point going over it, but blindly following every move Belichick makes as being a good one regardless of the outcome is just foolish.

BizzyC · 06-02-2018 11:09AM

Butler not playing at all was a surprise, even if you want to argue starting Rowe, I cant understand in what scenario putting Bademosi out there in coverage instead of Butler is the correct football call.
Saying that, I don't Butler would have made much difference to the result. With the amount of time Foles had, I don't think any combo would have worked. We seriously need to work on our front 7.
Games like Sunday are when you need defensive stars to step up and make plays, Gilmore was fantastic, but there wasn't a single player in the front 7 who stepped up. I think having Hightower would have made a big difference.

Any word yet on who will take over from Patricia? As always it will be someone who's already inside the building...

-Toppy- · 06-02-2018 12:36PM

According to the Kirk & Callahan show, Butler was not supposed to be playing for the AFC championship game but was talked out of it. Supposedly Patricia didnt know about Butler being benched for the Superbowl until a few hours right before the superbowl!

Toppy

99 Bortles of Beer · 06-02-2018 01:16PM

BizzyC wrote: »

Any word yet on who will take over from Patricia? As always it will be someone who's already inside the building...

It's long been expected that Brian Flores will take over, though Greg Schiano's name has popped up the past 24 hours. He's very close with Belichick so I could easily see it and I wouldn't be at all against it.

Though Flores has done wonders with some of the linebackers under his wing so it would be interesting to see him in charge too. I'd be happy with either.

TOss Sweep · 06-02-2018 02:04PM

99 Bortles of Beer wrote: »

It's long been expected that Brian Flores will take over, though Greg Schiano's name has popped up the past 24 hours. He's very close with Belichick so I could easily see it and I wouldn't be at all against it.

Though Flores has done wonders with some of the linebackers under his wing so it would be interesting to see him in charge too. I'd be happy with either.

I actually think Flores will do a good job. He is a pure defensive guy and has more experience than Patricia. Like Patricia he is good people also. I do like the idea of Schiano though.

TOss Sweep · 06-02-2018 02:07PM

-Toppy- wrote: »

According to the Kirk & Callahan show, Butler was not supposed to be playing for the AFC championship game but was talked out of it. Supposedly Patricia didnt know about Butler being benched for the Superbowl until a few hours right before the superbowl!

Toppy

I would take this with a pinch of salt about the AFC Championship game.

Yeah it was mentioned Sunday night that Patricia and Rowe only found out right before kick off. In fact Patricia had Butler on his starting sheet.

TOss Sweep · 06-02-2018 02:09PM

If Butler did smoke weed and miss a curfew you think the coaches would come out and say it though seen as it would make them look better in all of this.

Saying it wasn't due to injury or discipline but a football decision actually makes them look a million times worse. And if it comes out it was a discipline thing they both now look nothing more than liars in all of this.

AbusesToilets · 06-02-2018 02:19PM

Even if he smoked weed, why would you risk your SB over that. Belichick coached LT with the Giants, when he would regularly line out off his tits on coke. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I'm not devastated by this loss like in 07 or 11, but this was absolutely a game we should have won. We needed two defensive stops and we only could manage 1.

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