Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 11:22AM

david75 wrote: »

R2?

Probably just an Imperial astromech.

david75 · 05-02-2018 11:24AM

He’s a beauty. Was in a deleted scene with Vader in ROTJ I think.

Full trailer in a few hours. Hopefully a little more give in it in tone and story.

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 11:24AM

david75 wrote: »

Lucasfilm makes the films. Disney releases them. They don’t get involved with the production at all, they write the cheques, they do the marketing and collect the box office. .

You keep saying this Dave, but you know it's not true.

Disney OWNS LFL, they paid BILLIONS for it. Damn right they will have a say in how production goes.

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 11:27AM

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

You should see my car. And she only had to contend with the M50 for the past 10 years - not quite the Kessel Run, but close.

Does it do the M50 in 12 parsecs?

david75 · 05-02-2018 11:31AM

Tony EH wrote: »

You keep saying this Dave, but you know it's not true.

Disney OWNS LFL, they paid BILLIONS for it. Damn right they will have a say in how production goes.

You don’t buy the best in the business and then start telling them how to do their business. Doesn’t make any sense.

They had TFA Rogue one and TLJ all in various stages of production consecutively and overlapping. No mean feat. Plus you don’t stand over Kathleen Kennedy’s shoulder either, remembering she’s head of LFL now and not Disney. It’s all the one though. Disney only answers to its shareholders on quaterly calls. That’s close enough

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 11:37AM

david75 wrote: »

You don’t buy the best in the business and then start telling them how to do their business. Doesn’t make any sense.
They had TFA Rogue one and TLJ all in various stages of production consecutively and overlapping. No mean feat. Plus you don’t stand over Kathleen Kennedy’s shoulder either, remembering she’s head of LFL now and not Disney. It’s all the one though. Disney only answers to its shareholders on quaterly calls. That’s close enough

You mean like Roman Abramovich?

When you pay millions/billions for something, you'll have your say, whether it's right or wrong.

And Kennedy's getting her orders too. You bet your life.

Saruhashi · 05-02-2018 11:38AM

david75 wrote: »

Fvck yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o

I am going to VERY cautiously say that this looks promising.

It looks and feels about right so hopefully it will be pretty good.

Maybe it's just possible that Disney think it'll flop because it isn't as generically mainstream as they would want. It could actually be a good movie.

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 11:43AM

Saruhashi wrote: »

I am going to VERY cautiously say that this looks promising.

It looks and feels about right so hopefully it will be pretty good.

Maybe it's just possible that Disney think it'll flop because it isn't as generically mainstream as they would want. It could actually be a good movie.

It's just a pity it's Solo and not somebody else.

If it were new characters entirely, I'd be totally on board.

Sad Professor · 05-02-2018 11:49AM

Disney definitely has input into the production. It's crazy to suggest otherwise. Day-to-day production they wouldn't be that involved in, of course not. LFL is a production company and that's what production companies do: make movies. All the creative choices would originate within LFL. But Disney approve everything, including the script, director, crew, reshoots, locations, etc. They are kept in the loop throughout and if they don't like something it doesn't happen, period.

That said, it is definitely overstated how involved Disney are. Some people seem to think they basically write the movie, do up the storyboards and give them to the director to shoot. I remember an interview with TFA's DP Dan Mindel in which the interviewer asked him this. The guy actually thought Disney gave Abrams a shot list. Sure if that was true they wouldn't need a director.

david75 · 05-02-2018 11:54AM

Get in the sea fake Han Solo film nobody wants

solo-trailer-01.jpg?w=669

Saruhashi · 05-02-2018 11:59AM

Tony EH wrote: »

It's just a pity it's Solo and not somebody else.

If it were new characters entirely, I'd be totally on board.

Yeah, I think that's probably my biggest objection here.

I think a story about a bad-ass pilot in the Star Wars universe who might be a good guy or a bad guy or a bit of both is difficult to screw up.

One of the ways it could potentially be screwed up is by ruining an established and beloved character.

From a fan perspective it's too risky.

From Disney's perspective, who cares? They just want the money. The "Solo" label is worth maybe half a billion? Quarter of a billion? Plus merchandise sales?

He looks and sounds like a good Han Solo but it's a very short clip. I am feeling optimistic.

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 12:14PM

david75 wrote: »

Get in the sea fake Han Solo film nobody wants

The real Han Solo didn't have curly hair.

Chewie knows a fake when he sees one.

david75 · 05-02-2018 12:20PM

Gonna take a gamble here Tony and say you’re going to love this and I’m going to hate it. There’s humble pie hats being eaten either way

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 12:20PM

Saruhashi wrote: »

Yeah, I think that's probably my biggest objection here.

I think a story about a bad-ass pilot in the Star Wars universe who might be a good guy or a bad guy or a bit of both is difficult to screw up.

One of the ways it could potentially be screwed up is by ruining an established and beloved character.

From a fan perspective it's too risky.

From Disney's perspective, who cares? They just want the money. The "Solo" label is worth maybe half a billion? Quarter of a billion? Plus merchandise sales?

He looks and sounds like a good Han Solo but it's a very short clip. I am feeling optimistic.

Yeh, cautious optimisim, very cautious optimisim. But that mini trailer has my attention piqued, I'll admit.

But yeh, if it had been Jek Malok, or Reige Callistan* - Imperial hotshot pilot who defects when he sees just what they stand for - I'd be getting out the bunting now, because that would be "A Star Wars story" I'd be behind fully.

But, it's not...

...so I won't.

*Star Wars names are easy!!! :pac:

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 12:21PM

david75 wrote: »

Gonna take a gamble here Tony and say you’re going to love this and I’m going to hate it. There’s humble pie hats being eaten either way

LOL, probably.

david75 · 05-02-2018 12:21PM

Well definitely know more in a few hours after the main trailer.

Drumpot · 05-02-2018 12:23PM

Saruhashi wrote: »

Yeah, I think that's probably my biggest objection here.

I think a story about a bad-ass pilot in the Star Wars universe who might be a good guy or a bad guy or a bit of both is difficult to screw up.

One of the ways it could potentially be screwed up is by ruining an established and beloved character.

From a fan perspective it's too risky.

From Disney's perspective, who cares? They just want the money. The "Solo" label is worth maybe half a billion? Quarter of a billion? Plus merchandise sales?

He looks and sounds like a good Han Solo but it's a very short clip. I am feeling optimistic.

I don’t completely disagree with you but I don’t agree with the “it could ruin an established character” narrative. If the prequels didn’t ruin the franchise and whiny, annoying Anakin didn’t ruin Darth Vader then it would stand to reason that pretty much anything from a prequel movie can’t taint the original characters we love!

Tony EH · 05-02-2018 12:29PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t completely disagree with you but I don’t agree with the “it could ruin an established character” narrative. If the prequels didn’t ruin the franchise and whiny, annoying Anakin didn’t ruin Darth Vader then it would stand to reason that pretty much anything from a prequel movie can’t taint the original characters we love!

But Drum, it's possible (in fact, it's imperative) to divorce pissing and moaning Anakin from Badass Darth, because there's a considerable time difference occuring between 'Revenge of the Sith' and 'Star Wars'. In the same way that McGregor's Kenobi doesn't jar (jar) that badly with Guinness's Kenobi.

But Ehrenreich's Han Solo is appearing in the same decade as Ford's Han Solo. There's just no way that that isn't going to have an impact on how we view the character now, expecially if all the unnecessary explanations that we're going to get in this film are twee and unsatisfying. Solo is going to exit teh screen as Ehrenreich and reenter as Ford all in the space of a few years.

Sure, we can eliminate it from our viewing, but the story goes into canon.

Saruhashi · 05-02-2018 12:29PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t completely disagree with you but I don’t agree with the “it could ruin an established character” narrative. If the prequels didn’t ruin the franchise and whiny, annoying Anakin didn’t ruin Darth Vader then it would stand to reason that pretty much anything from a prequel movie can’t taint the original characters we love!

Actually that's a good point.

Maybe this will actually be good!

david75 · 05-02-2018 12:34PM

I can see this one being a big hit with joe public and a new source of outrage for Star Wars fans for th reasons cited above.

However, it’s being really well received on twitter almost all positive. That’s unusual.
It definitely feels like Star Wars but new somehow. That’s some trick to pull off.

FAILSAFE 00 · 05-02-2018 12:38PM

**** Disney.

Sad Professor · 05-02-2018 12:39PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t completely disagree with you but I don’t agree with the “it could ruin an established character” narrative. If the prequels didn’t ruin the franchise and whiny, annoying Anakin didn’t ruin Darth Vader then it would stand to reason that pretty much anything from a prequel movie can’t taint the original characters we love!

What about all those childhoods the prequels ruined though? Isn't that the same thing as ruining the stories/characters from the OT? I think you underestimating how much pain and suffering these films can cause fans.

wp_rathead · 05-02-2018 12:42PM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

**** Disney.

Bit early to be giving it 4 Stars

david75 · 05-02-2018 12:43PM

Tony EH wrote: »

The real Han Solo didn't have curly hair.

Chewie knows a fake when he sees one.

I dunno. I think they’ve kinda nailed his hair

david75 · 05-02-2018 12:47PM

Seriously though. It’s kinda curly haha!
I’m not too bothered about looks. If he can sound /move like him that’ll be the clincher. He definitely sounds like him in that trailer

pixelburp · 05-02-2018 12:48PM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

**** Disney.

Their business practises can be pretty ruthless and cynical when they want to be, but they didn't get where they are today without knowing how to craft a decent film or two. Love them or loath them, by all accounts they've married the artistic with the creative pretty successfully.

Saruhashi · 05-02-2018 12:57PM

david75 wrote: »

I can see this one being a big hit with joe public and a new source of outrage for Star Wars fans for th reasons cited above.

However, it’s being really well received on twitter almost all positive. That’s unusual.
It definitely feels like Star Wars but new somehow. That’s some trick to pull off.

I am predicting that the fans will love it but the critics will hate it.

Then we'll have a series of articles about how online trolls are mass up-voting the Han Solo movie on RT.

Let's see what the full trailer is like.

david75 · 05-02-2018 12:59PM

Oh cool.
I’d forgotten the DP on this also did Arrival.
This is definitely a serious feather in its cap.
It’ll be gorgeous cinematography at the very least.

thegreengoblin · 05-02-2018 01:16PM

david75 wrote: »

He’s a beauty. Was in a deleted scene with Vader in ROTJ I think.

Full trailer in a few hours. Hopefully a little more give in it in tone and story.

Any idea what time it's due?

faceman · 05-02-2018 01:17PM

Jabba and I agree about the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPcod8IS214

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Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493