Pairc Ui Chaoimh re-development

Shedite27 · 04-02-2018 03:09PM

511 wrote: »

Does Pairc Ui Chaoimh fit the criteria for a UEFA category 4 stadium?

I'd be surprised if "allows football to be played" isn't on the criteria list

clerk · 04-02-2018 06:38PM

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Yes
Lighting, media, team facilities and everything else is fine.

Doubt the crowd segregation outside the ground would meet UEFA standards.

As somebody else implied l doubt this was a priority when the ground was built and whilst l enjoy a belt of a Nation once again as much as the next lad, ultimately that was a silly decision and certainly not future proofed as a new build should be. Maybe the next generation won't have the same ideas but they don't seem to care very much.

ScrubsfanChris · 04-02-2018 08:21PM

clerk wrote: »

Doubt the crowd segregation outside the ground would meet UEFA standards.

It's purely theoretical. A UEFA certified match will with 99% certainly never take place in PUC, just staring facts.

snotboogie · 04-02-2018 08:49PM

It is an interesting question though, if City were to make the Uefa Cup group stages, where would they play? It's unlikely but certainly possible. Turners Cross may get an exemption to host a last round qualifying game but no way it is allowed to host a group game. Musgrave wouldn't make the cut either. Head up to Tallaght?

ShamoBuc · 04-02-2018 08:52PM

snotboogie wrote: »

It is an interesting question though, if City were to make the Uefa Cup group stages, where would they play? It's unlikely but certainly possible. Turners Cross may get an exemption to host a last round qualifying game but no way it is allowed to host a group game. Musgrave wouldn't make the cut either. Head up to Tallaght?

Thomond?

Mardyke · 04-02-2018 08:57PM

How many seats are in Pairc Ui Chaoimh?

It's always been a real missed opportunity for Cork in general that the GAA decided to build the stadium the way they did. Completely out of date.

A proper modern stadium could have brought many different showcase events.

snotboogie · 04-02-2018 09:04PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Thomond?

Might work if there was an English team in the group but realistically how many Cork fans will travel to Limerick on a weeknight to watch Tirana or FC Baku. The ticket sales may not even cover the expense. PUC with closed terraces would be far more preferable

ShamoBuc · 04-02-2018 09:09PM

Mardyke wrote: »

How many seats are in Pairc Ui Chaoimh?

It's always been a real missed opportunity for Cork in general that the GAA decided to build the stadium the way they did. Completely out of date.

A proper modern stadium could have brought many different showcase events.

13k in the main and 8k opposite.
For the money they paid, it's a fine stadium with great facilities. They were only ever going to have gaa games and a few concerts, like most other stadiums in Ireland.

ShamoBuc · 04-02-2018 09:10PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Might work if there was an English team in the group but realistically how many Cork fans will travel to Limerick on a weeknight to watch Tirana or FC Baku. The ticket sales may not even cover the expense. PUC with closed terraces would be far more preferable

It's not as if Tallaght would be free and.....its in Dublin, another reason for city fans not to go:pac:

snotboogie · 04-02-2018 09:18PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

It's not as if Tallaght would be free and.....its in Dublin, another reason for city fans not to go:pac:

I'd imagine it would be a lot cheaper, even with the temporary seats needed. You'd have a lot more Cork people in Dublin and more people around in general who might pop in. Thomond might work as a once off for the biggest game but I would much rather PUC.

Cape Clear · 05-02-2018 11:21AM

snotboogie wrote: »

I'd imagine it would be a lot cheaper, even with the temporary seats needed. You'd have a lot more Cork people in Dublin and more people around in general who might pop in. Thomond might work as a once off for the biggest game but I would much rather PUC.

Is temporary seating still allowed? The Cross would be struggling to get an exemption for the final qualifying round Tallaght as it stands only passes because of an exemption.

snotboogie · 05-02-2018 11:28AM

Cape Clear wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

I'd imagine it would be a lot cheaper, even with the temporary seats needed. You'd have a lot more Cork people in Dublin and more people around in general who might pop in. Thomond might work as a once off for the biggest game but I would much rather PUC.

Is temporary seating still allowed? The Cross would be struggling to get an exemption for the final qualifying round Tallaght as it stands only passes because of an exemption.

Turners Cross is better than Tallaght in a lot of ways, it has a lot more permanent seats. It's the parking that kills it. Pure speculation from my end that they would get an exemption though.

namloc1980 · 05-02-2018 12:38PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Turners Cross is better than Tallaght in a lot of ways, it has a lot more permanent seats. It's the parking that kills it. Pure speculation from my end that they would get an exemption though.

I think the media facilities in the Cross (or lack thereof) is a huge issue that you can't really get an exemption for.

Ludo · 05-02-2018 02:55PM

Would Bishopstown be suitable :-)

Cape Clear · 05-02-2018 03:28PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Turners Cross is better than Tallaght in a lot of ways, it has a lot more permanent seats. It's the parking that kills it. Pure speculation from my end that they would get an exemption though.

namloc1980 wrote: »

I think the media facilities in the Cross (or lack thereof) is a huge issue that you can't really get an exemption for.

Also the lack of a secure entrance for players and officials which is an issue, but lets face it UEFA are dead against any small team upsetting the apple cart.

06-02-2018 12:11AM

Shedite27 wrote: »

I'd be surprised if "allows football to be played" isn't on the criteria list

Considering that 43% of that stadium was funded by the tax-payer, the GAA shouldn't have a say in the matter, or they can pay that €30,000,000 back.

I hope Cork City council show the same generosity to Cork City F.C. when they eventually outgrow Turner's Cross.

We shouldn't be giving grants to the GAA for stadiums of that magnitude, their stadiums are too primitive to host international football and rugby tournaments.

ShamoBuc · 06-02-2018 12:35AM

511 wrote: »

Considering that 43% of that stadium was funded by the tax-payer, the GAA shouldn't have a say in the matter, or they can pay that €30,000,000 back.

I hope Cork City council show the same generosity to Cork City F.C. when they eventually outgrow Turner's Cross.

We shouldn't be giving grants to the GAA for stadiums of that magnitude, their stadiums are too primitive to host international football and rugby tournaments.

As a City fan since '84, I can never envisage us outgrowing the Cross.

Ludo · 06-02-2018 08:23AM

511 wrote: »

Cork City F.C. when they eventually outgrow Turner's Cross.

Not going to happen our happen in our lifetimes...if ever. Tis half empty most weeks.

snotboogie · 06-02-2018 10:02AM

Ludo wrote: »

511 wrote: »

Cork City F.C. when they eventually outgrow Turner's Cross.

Not going to happen our happen in our lifetimes...if ever. Tis half empty most weeks.

Attendances in the LOI 2017 makes for interesting reading. Average attendance increased by over 2000 between 2016 and 2017 for CCFC.

Ludo · 06-02-2018 10:19AM

snotboogie wrote: »

Attendances in the LOI 2017 makes for interesting reading. Average attendance increased by over 2000 between 2016 and 2017 for CCFC.

4500 seems awfully high for an average across the season but fair enough. Still though for their most successful season that still leaves 3000 free seats every week on average. Plenty of room to grow there. A new stadium wont be needed for a long time I would say. I'm not knocking LOI or CCFC in any way here. I go there whenever I can. Just can't see a time when attendance goes up over 8k every week.

snotboogie · 06-02-2018 11:59AM

Ludo wrote: »

snotboogie wrote: »

Attendances in the LOI 2017 makes for interesting reading. Average attendance increased by over 2000 between 2016 and 2017 for CCFC.

4500 seems awfully high for an average across the season but fair enough. Still though for their most successful season that still leaves 3000 free seats every week on average. Plenty of room to grow there. A new stadium wont be needed for a long time I would say. I'm not knocking LOI or CCFC in any way here. I go there whenever I can. Just can't see a time when attendance goes up over 8k every week.

They list the attendance for every single game on the link I provided. While the cross can in theory hold 7,500, in reality (with separating fans etc) anything over 6k is probably a sell out. European games are actually not included here and would bring up the average again. I think there is scope to fill in the corners in Turners Cross to create a full bowl and bring attendance up to 10k. I know there are issues with funding and stadium ownership. Ultimately you are right, we are a long way off needing a new stadium but I wouldn't say that the cross is half empty every week, because it's not.

Ludo · 06-02-2018 12:08PM

ok...half empty may be a bit much. But general point stands about outgrowing the stadium. I know it is off topic but have they put the roof back on the stand and will it be usable when the season starts?

Cape Clear · 06-02-2018 12:55PM

snotboogie wrote: »

They list the attendance for every single game on the link I provided. While the cross can in theory hold 7,500, in reality (with separating fans etc) anything over 6k is probably a sell out. European games are actually not included here and would bring up the average again. I think there is scope to fill in the corners in Turners Cross to create a full bowl and bring attendance up to 10k. I know there are issues with funding and stadium ownership. Ultimately you are right, we are a long way off needing a new stadium but I wouldn't say that the cross is half empty every week, because it's not.

Current capacity is capped at 6,900 on H&S grounds relating to the number of exits the stadium has.

CHealy · 06-02-2018 01:16PM

Ludo wrote: »

ok...half empty may be a bit much. But general point stands about outgrowing the stadium. I know it is off topic but have they put the roof back on the stand and will it be usable when the season starts?

This work will be complete by the first home game (v Waterford on the 23rd Feb). In addition to this a new block of toilets and wheelchair access platform have been added to the St.Annes End, and the old wall around the perimeter of the Derrynane and St.Annes has been removed and replaced with the much cleaner looking metal fencing.

The ground itself has to get exemptions approved for even Europa League qualifiers after Rd2, parking, VIP access and media facilities all do not meet requirements, there is also an issue with the floodlight LUX not meeting UEFA requirements, meaning there isnt a hope in hell the Cross will be able to hold a playoff or group stage game. Musgrave Park is a non runner due to terraces so our only options would be Thomond Park or Tallaght. As a Cork man, it would break my heart to watch Cork City play a home game outside of the city and I would live in hope that the County Board would allow the use of PUiC for a fellow Cork sports team, but as they say its the hope that kills ya. All of this is very unlikely to happen btw.

Shedite27 · 26-02-2018 03:50PM

Pitch was looking awful yesterday. Any idea what went wrong? Saw something on twitter that the new stand is so big it doesn't allow much sunlight, but surely the grounds crew knew that was gonna happen.

namloc1980 · 26-02-2018 04:11PM

Shedite27 wrote: »

Pitch was looking awful yesterday. Any idea what went wrong? Saw something on twitter that the new stand is so big it doesn't allow much sunlight, but surely the grounds crew knew that was gonna happen.

Which is why most big stadiums have those mobile grass grow lights. With regular games in February and March it's a must really if you want a decent surface.

Ron Burgundy II · 26-02-2018 04:53PM

The ground was to dry.

Heat lamps would be a great addition, but the amount they need to ensure a consistent growth level may prove too costly.

Cape Clear · 26-02-2018 05:27PM

Shedite27 wrote: »

Pitch was looking awful yesterday. Any idea what went wrong? Saw something on twitter that the new stand is so big it doesn't allow much sunlight, but surely the grounds crew knew that was gonna happen.

This point was also made about the old covered stand. Once a bog always a bog!

ShamoBuc · 26-02-2018 05:37PM

Cape Clear wrote: »

This point was also made about the old covered stand. Once a bog always a bog!

That half of the pitch was actually fine, if was the far side that resembled a beach.

fonzy951 · 26-02-2018 07:27PM

Cape Clear wrote: »

This point was also made about the old covered stand. Once a bog always a bog!

It's lacking sunlight and moisture (bog?) for growth. Is the new drainage system etc. working too well. They will obviously need to invest in mobile grass grow lights and proper usage of sprinklers (Croke Park for example). Growth levels on the pitch are absolute crap at present, need to sort it out before playing double headers again in winter.

Pairc Ui Chaoimh re-development

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