Harvey Weinstein and #MeToo/sexual misconduct scandals

Sad Professor · 16-01-2018 10:51PM

Alec Baldwin has defended Woody Allen:

https://twitter.com/ABFalecbaldwin/status/953293147064487937

Baldwin doesn't have much credibility in this area. But I guess that also means he has nothing to lose.

Allen seems to be on the verge of being blacklisted in the US. A lot of pressure being put on actors who have worked with him to take a position, donate their salaries, etc. His friends are staying very quiet. A backlash to #metoo seems to be brewing and there are several heavyweights who I can't see turning on Allen even if the press hasn't managed to corner them yet.

Agent Coulson · 16-01-2018 11:01PM

i wonder will Allens son speak up about father again since he broke the Weinstein story.

HandsomeBob · 19-01-2018 08:22AM

I don't think there's in anything wrong in what Baldwin is saying, as across the board such accusations needed to be treated with care. At the end of the day if it was an ordinary Joe being put to trial by public opinion even after being previously investigated and not charged, we would be rightfully alarmed.

Add Colin Firth to the list of actors who has released in statement declaring that he will not work for Allen again.

Rjd2 · 19-01-2018 03:47PM

HandsomeBob wrote: »

I don't think there's in anything wrong in what Baldwin is saying, as across the board such accusations needed to be treated with care. At the end of the day if it was an ordinary Joe being put to trial by public opinion even after being previously investigated and not charged, we would be rightfully alarmed.

Add Colin Firth to the list of actors who has released in statement declaring that he will not work for Allen again.

He knew all the allegations about Woody but either did not care or did not believe them,not hugely impressed its only in 2018 he refuses to work with him.

Sad Professor · 19-01-2018 04:39PM

Yeah but that was before, when being accused of something didn't make you guilty. Things are different now. I would accept the hypocrisy argument if we were talking about Polanski (whose guilt is not in doubt) but not with Allen. Most actors who worked with Allen post-92 probably didn't know much about the case beyond the fact that there were allegations made but nothing came of them and thus there was no reason not to work with him.

I don't blame Firth. Pressure is being put on actors who have worked with Allen to take a position. If they don't, they face being accosted on the red carpet and accidentally saying the wrong thing, as has already happened to several of them. Regardless of what any of them really think, and I suspect most of them don't have strong views on Allen, their reputations and careers are at stake.

Tony EH · 19-01-2018 04:55PM

Yeh, there's way too much of a sniff of Salem going on with this "me too" stuff.

People might have heard rumours, they might have heard stories, they might have heard gossip, but that doesn't mean they knew any facts.

There's gossip and rumour about EVERYONE in Hollywood. 90% of which is bunkum. But gossip and rumour isn't first hand knowledge and many a life has been ruined by unsubstantiated and false gossip.

It's too easy to point fingers at people and say "they knew", without actually knowing what it "they knew" and how valid it was and more importantly what it was they were supposed to do with the flimsy "knowledge" they had.

It's, over all, a good thing that these powerful individuals are being hauled over the coals for their actual offences. But, the extended accusations are being fired about willy-nilly I think are, in many ways, detrimental to future cases.

JP Liz V1 · 21-01-2018 11:44PM

Scarlett Johansson is condemning James Franco but not Woody Allen

Gatling · 22-01-2018 01:13AM

Victim of "sexual terrorism" is the latest coming from Natalie portman ,
She received a letter about about a rape a fantasy supposedly sent to her by a crazy fan when she was 13, and claims film reviewers gave commentaries about her budding breasts ,

Beginning to think it's turning into a game of top trumps with women coming out with bigger and more claims to top the last person or trying to be seen front and center of this so called movement ,

Lose the lawyers and non disclosure agreements and cash settlements and apply the rules of law here ,
If they can can't or won't go to the authorities then stories shouldn't be allowed to be published in the media or social media ,

Sad Professor · 22-01-2018 01:40AM

I don't see how Portman's all too believable story tops the previous stories of rape, assault and naming and shaming of alleged perpetuators. It's pretty mild compared to what's come before and closer to what I think #metoo should be focusing on: woman talking about their experiences and how it shaped them rather than getting caught up in the tabloid search for scandal.

Outlaw Pete · 23-01-2018 03:48AM

Sad Professor wrote: »

I don't blame Firth. Pressure is being put on actors who have worked with Allen to take a position.

Just because pressure is being put upon actors doesn't excuse them then declaring that they would never work with him again and/or saying that they regret ever having worked with him at all.

Alec Baldwin, for example, made the following statement:

https://twitter.com/ABFalecbaldwin/status/953260953096900608

JP Liz V1 · 29-01-2018 10:24PM

So who is Kate Winslet talking about

http://people.com/movies/kate-winslet-tearfully-admits-she-has-bitter-regrets-about-working-with-certain-people/amp/

Sad Professor · 29-01-2018 10:58PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So who is Kate Winslet talking about

http://people.com/movies/kate-winslet-tearfully-admits-she-has-bitter-regrets-about-working-with-certain-people/amp/

Woody Allen and Roman Polanski.

JP Liz V1 · 29-01-2018 11:06PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

Woody Allen and Roman Polanski.

She is clever not to name any, so can mean Weinstein and/or Allen

29-01-2018 11:24PM

JP Liz V1 wrote:

She is clever not to name any, so can mean Weinstein and/or Allen

Is she? She'd be clever had she not repeatedly defended Allen and Polanski over the years, hell only last month she went on the defensive in regards Allen while Jessica Chastain and others looked on disgusted.

JP Liz V1 · 30-01-2018 05:33PM

Diane Keaton defends Woody Allen

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42871611

CatFromHue · 30-01-2018 05:57PM

I don't know what to think about Allen as wasn't he investigated twice and no charges were brought?

That would lead me to believe he didn't do it.

Sad Professor · 31-01-2018 02:15AM

Cherry Jones has also refused to condemn Woody Allen:

Cherry Jones, the Tony- and Emmy-winning actress who also appears in “Rainy Day,” had a different response when asked how she felt about Mr. Allen and whether she would work with him again. “There are those who are comfortable in their certainty. I am not. I don’t know the truth,” she told The Times. “When we condemn by instinct our democracy is on a slippery slope.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/28/movies/woody-allen-dylan-farrow.html

JP Liz V1 · 31-01-2018 02:04PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I don't know what to think about Allen as wasn't he investigated twice and no charges were brought?

That would lead me to believe he didn't do it.

He is married to his "step adopted daughter" who was very young when Mia adopted her and now he has adopted kids with her but still creepy

Sad Professor · 31-01-2018 02:24PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

He is married to his "step adopted daughter" who was very young when Mia adopted her and now he has adopted kids with her but still creepy

According to Mia, he had no relationship with Soon-Yi until she was a lot older, like 19. She wasn't his step daughter (Mia and Woody weren't married), she was his girlfriend's adopted daughter from a previous relationship. Mia had a lot of adopted children (10) and Allen didn't live with them. Is it still a bit creepy? Sure, but he's been married to her ever since and they have a family. Him liking young women and marrying his ex girlfriend's adopted daughter doesn't make him a child molester.

eviltimeban · 31-01-2018 05:28PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

According to Mia, he had no relationship with Soon-Yi until she was a lot older, like 19. She wasn't his step daughter (Mia and Woody weren't married), she was his girlfriend's adopted daughter from a previous relationship. Mia had a lot of adopted children (10) and Allen didn't live with them. Is it still a bit creepy? Sure, but he's been married to her ever since and they have a family. Him liking young women and marrying his ex girlfriend's adopted daughter doesn't make him a child molester.

I always felt the Woody Allen thing stank of revenge on Mia Farrow's part. It's bad enough finding out your boyfriend is having an affair, but to be having one with your daughter?? Must've had a massive impact on Farrow.

Her reaction may have been to drag his name through the mud by accusing him of abusing their own daughter, to the point that Dylan Farrow probably believes it happened, whether it did or not.

Sad Professor · 31-01-2018 05:55PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

I always felt the Woody Allen thing stank of revenge on Mia Farrow's part. It's bad enough finding out your boyfriend is having an affair, but to be having one with your daughter?? Must've had a massive impact on Farrow.

Her reaction may have been to drag his name through the mud by accusing him of abusing their own daughter, to the point that Dylan Farrow probably believes it happened, whether it did or not.

It wasn't even necessarily revenge. In the midst of the child abuse hysteria of late 80s/early 90s, she might have really believed he had abused Dylan. Mia doesn't exactly come across as stable.

Many people have also pointed out the striking similarities of the Mia/Dylan story to the Dory Previn song "With My Daddy in the Attic", which was released on the same album as "Beware the Young Girls" which Previn wrote about Mia (who Previn's husband left her for). It's all incredibly bizarre.

JP Liz V1 · 31-01-2018 10:20PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

According to Mia, he had no relationship with Soon-Yi until she was a lot older, like 19. She wasn't his step daughter (Mia and Woody weren't married), she was his girlfriend's adopted daughter from a previous relationship. Mia had a lot of adopted children (10) and Allen didn't live with them. Is it still a bit creepy? Sure, but he's been married to her ever since and they have a family. Him liking young women and marrying his ex girlfriend's adopted daughter doesn't make him a child molester.

I assume as Mia's long term partner, he would have been a parental father figure to her kids so would have seen her grow up, still pretty creepy and unhealthy imho

eviltimeban · 01-02-2018 10:39AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I assume as Mia's long term partner, he would have been a parental father figure to her kids so would have seen her grow up, still pretty creepy and unhealthy imho

Doesn't mean he abused a 7 year old girl though.

Interesting to see several celebrities stepping forward to defend Woody Allen. Not sure if this is the start of a "hang on a second" movement, perhaps the brakes need to be applied slightly to this whole "trial by Twitter" business.

The Black Oil · 03-02-2018 04:55PM

Uma Thurman speaks - powerfully.

I wasn't aware of the crash at all.

Sad Professor · 03-02-2018 07:22PM

The Black Oil wrote: »

Uma Thurman speaks - powerfully.

I wasn't aware of the crash at all.

Good to finally hear from Thurman, though I'd recommend that people just read the quotes and ignore Dowd's editorialising. I wish this had been released in Q&A format.

Dowd also has a piece on Tim Robbins, which is totally incoherent in places, but Robbins pretty much sums up my view of metoo:

“It’s really, really important that women have the floor now to talk about this because it has been so pervasive throughout every industry as long as I’ve been alive,” Mr. Robbins says. But, he adds, “I don’t trust mobs of any kind, even when they’re advocating for things I support. People losing their careers based on innuendo or accusation is troubling for me. There is a process for this: a legal system. Convicting someone on an accusation is really dangerous territory to be living in.”

pitifulgod · 03-02-2018 08:01PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

Good to finally hear from Thurman, though I'd recommend that people just read the quotes and ignore Dowd's editorialising. I wish this had been released in Q&A format.

Dowd also has a piece on Tim Robbins, which is totally incoherent in places, but Robbins pretty much sums up my view of metoo:

Tarantino also comes across as an incredible nasty director as well. Always had suspicions of it tbh.

Ipso · 03-02-2018 08:18PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

Good to finally hear from Thurman, though I'd recommend that people just read the quotes and ignore Dowd's editorialising. I wish this had been released in Q&A format.

Dowd also has a piece on Tim Robbins, which is totally incoherent in places, but Robbins pretty much sums up my view of metoo:

Yeah, horribly written article and fair play to Robbins for not jumping blindly on the band wagon.

Decuc500 · 04-02-2018 01:13AM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Tarantino also comes across as an incredible nasty director as well. Always had suspicions of it tbh.

Tarantino nasty? This just seems to be a case of a perfectionist film director asking his star to go that extra mile to get a shot. Of course it was reckless and could have ended up worse for Thurman.

BorneTobyWilde · 04-02-2018 03:40AM

Feels like the males of this world are hitting back by sacking as many females as possible. Getting rid of every girl that works as eye candy for sports events so on. This is how males are pushing back I feel.
'' Women are not eye candy, fine, we'll show you and sack them all '' Have to feel sorry for those women caught up in it.
What's next, sack the 1000's of cheerleaders.

Ash.J.Williams · 04-02-2018 09:21AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Feels like the males of this world are hitting back by sacking as many females as possible. Getting rid of every girl that works as eye candy for sports events so on. This is how males are pushing back I feel.
'' Women are not eye candy, fine, we'll show you and sack them all '' Have to feel sorry for those women caught up in it.
What's next, sack the 1000's of cheerleaders.

not here anyway. seems rte is doing the opposite

Harvey Weinstein and #MeToo/sexual misconduct scandals

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