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The idiots behind sulky racing

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  • #242
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Discodog wrote: »
    The law should work as it is written & not how a Guard decides to interpret it.

    9.—(1) The owner or any other person in charge of a dog shall not permit the dog to be in any place other than—

    (a) the premises of the owner, or

    (b) the premises of such other person in charge of the dog, or

    (c) the premises of any other person, with the consent of that person,

    unless such owner or such other person in charge of the dog accompanies it and keeps it under effectual control.

    If a dog can jump off an open trailer it isn't under effectual control.

    But you've put your own interpretation on the phrase effectual control there.


  • #243
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    But you've put your own interpretation on the phrase effectual control there.

    If your dog is off lead & you can effectively recall it, you could argue that it's under effectual control. If it can jump off a trailer, possibly without you even noticing, & with possible serious implication for the following traffic, it isn't under any control - effectual or not.

    A professional police officer would stop the vehicle & advise the owner.


  • #244
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    But you've put your own interpretation on the phrase effectual control there.

    Effectual control is indeed wide open to interpretation. Some people seem to take it to mean 'restrained' or on a lead.

    Have a look at this and tell me if these dogs are under 'effectual control'.



  • #245
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    wexie wrote: »
    Effectual control is indeed wide open to interpretation. Some people seem to take it to mean 'restrained' or on a lead.

    Have a look at this and tell me if these dogs are under 'effectual control'.


    No they aren't because the owner isn't allowing for distractions. Even the best sheepdogs in the world mess up, so do the best police dogs etc. You have to allow for the unexpected. No training is 100%.

    Also it was irresponsible & inconsiderate because it causes concern & worry to others. Say you or your child was scared of dogs & you see three big dogs off lead.


  • #246
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Discodog wrote: »
    No they aren't because the owner isn't allowing for distractions.

    You mean like a busy carpark?
    Discodog wrote: »
    If your dog is off lead & you can effectively recall it, you could argue that it's under effectual control.

    You're kinda contradicting yourself now.

    Anyways this is going well off thread. I think I'll just agree to disagree.


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  • #247
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Discodog wrote: »
    If your dog is off lead & you can effectively recall it, you could argue that it's under effectual control. If it can jump off a trailer, possibly without you even noticing, & with possible serious implication for the following traffic, it isn't under any control - effectual or not.

    A professional police officer would stop the vehicle & advise the owner.

    You're saying the Gardaí should go by how the law is written and not by their interpretation of it. You then interpret the law yourself. What makes you more qualified to interpret it? Is your interpretation backed up by any legal precedent?


  • #248
    Hans Bricks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Hans Bricks


    Insert bubonic plague here please.

    Doing what they do best and then jeering an innocent and injured pregnant woman. Icing on the cake. Traveller style. Utterly ****e people is putting it mildly.

    Although It is amusing seeing traveller apologists reminding us of the meaningless ethnic minority status. As if the rest of civilized society even cares.


  • #249
    Gwynplaine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭Gwynplaine


    A real candidate for ethnic cleansing. I absolutely hate them. Never met or heard of a good one yet. A scourge on society and a burden on the taxpayer.


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