Breastfeeding and children's intelligence not linked

s7ryf3925pivug · 02-02-2018 09:35PM

lazygal wrote: »

Why? It's the biological norm.
And it's OK to call them breasts.

Because humans find them sexual.

lazygal · 02-02-2018 09:36PM

Alaya Deep Tuition wrote: »

Because humans find them sexual.

And babies and young children use them for their intended purpose.

SEPT 23 1989 · 02-02-2018 09:37PM

lazygal wrote: »

He's four. It's normal. It doesn't seem normal because we live in a formula centric country.
And he's never had a Dodi. Now that's artificial, placing rubber to mimic sucking on the breast in a mouth.

You are giving your child the best start

wexie · 02-02-2018 09:37PM

Alaya Deep Tuition wrote: »

Because humans find them sexual.

not usually at age 4?

least not to my knowledge, I'll try think of a subtle way I can ask my 4 year old tomorrow

s7ryf3925pivug · 02-02-2018 09:37PM

lazygal wrote: »

And babies and young children use them for their intended purpose.

But they usually are too young to remember that when they become sexually aware.

lazygal · 02-02-2018 09:38PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

You are giving your child the best start

Thanks. It works for us. I combination fed my first and the bottles were way more hassle.

neonsofa · 02-02-2018 09:38PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Soz.
I thought i replied to wrong person

I think its beautiful, and love (in a paternal caring way) to see a baby being BF.
but i think 4 is a bit too old, and might be more about the parents need than the kid.
Its like seeng a 5yr old with a dodo. Theres a time to move on.

Theres also a time to move on from calling a pacifier/soother a dodo

Hadn't a clue what this meant for a good few seconds! We always called them a dodi, never heard dodo before

Roger Hassenforder · 02-02-2018 09:38PM

lazygal wrote: »

He's four. It's normal. It doesn't seem normal because we live in a formula centric country.
And he's never had a Dodi. Now that's artificial, placing rubber to mimic sucking on the breast in a mouth.

Helps reduce risk of cot deaths!
(2 of 3 of my kids refused them. All breast fed)

Its not seen as normal because he has a set of teeth on him for chewing/tearing his own food.

Day Lewin · 02-02-2018 09:38PM

"Is it not going to be weird for someone to remember sucking on their mom's tit?" @Blergh

My son of 26 remembers, he was breastfed until past 3. [really just a quick suckle at bedtime, by that stage]

The memory embarrasses him a bit, I think, because he has a girlfriend...but he has basically NEVER been ill.

If a baby is exposed to a germ, the baby's saliva sends a message via the nipple to the mother's immune system: and anti-bodies to that germ appear in the mother's milk within the hour. Cool, yeah?

Show me the artificial substitute that can do THAT!

s7ryf3925pivug · 02-02-2018 09:38PM

wexie wrote: »

not usually at age 4?

least not to my knowledge, I'll try think of a subtle way I can ask my 4 year old tomorrow

I remember plenty of stuff from when I was four, some from when I was three.

Roger Hassenforder · 02-02-2018 09:39PM

neonsofa wrote: »

Theres also a time to move on from calling a pacifier/soother a dodo

Hadn't a clue what this meant for a good few seconds! We always called them a dodi, never heard dodo before

Youre right, its been so long dodi sounds more familiar!

lazygal · 02-02-2018 09:39PM

Alaya Deep Tuition wrote: »

But they usually are too young to remember that when they become sexually aware.

What's your point? Do you've any evidence of a link between natural weaning and sexual dysfunction?

suicide_circus · 02-02-2018 09:40PM

Breastfeeding until the age of 12 is very beneficial.

lazygal · 02-02-2018 09:40PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Helps reduce risk of cot deaths!
(2 of 3 of my kids refused them. All breast fed)

Its not seen as normal because he has a set of teeth on him for chewing/tearing his own food.

They're called milk teeth. Babies can eat solid food with no teeth.

wexie · 02-02-2018 09:40PM

Alaya Deep Tuition wrote: »

I remember plenty of stuff from when I was four, some from when I was three.

yeah...so?

I think we're kinda working on the assumption here that you're unlikely to ever be sexually attracted to the same breasts that fed you.

lazygal · 02-02-2018 09:40PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Breastfeeding until the age of 12 is very beneficial.

Children tend to lose their latch when they start losing their milk teeth.

02-02-2018 09:41PM

My Mother breastfed us until we were 2. She just felt like it was the natural thing to do and didn’t even consider bottle feeding. Never even heard about breastfeeding being linked to intelligence tbh.

wexie · 02-02-2018 09:42PM

lazygal wrote: »

They're called milk teeth. Babies can eat solid food with no teeth.

yup, I can vouch for that.

Little man refused to eat baby food when we tried weaning him cause he wanted what his sisters were eating.

Off he went to creche with his cheese sandwich and his no teeth

neonsofa · 02-02-2018 09:42PM

lazygal wrote: »

They're called milk teeth. Babies can eat solid food with no teeth.

I always thought the milk name was due to their gorgeous white colour. Learn something new everyday. Babies have proper sparkly white teeth and then when they grow their adult teeth they look so dull in comparison!

conorhal · 02-02-2018 09:42PM

Alaya Deep Tuition wrote: »

Is it not going to be weird for someone to remember sucking on their mom's tit?

He's definitely going to be a 'breast man'.....

ceadaoin. · 02-02-2018 09:43PM

conorhal wrote: »

I don't, I'm being facetious.

I'm just saying that developmental phases have their biological reasons, we develop, we reach stages of maturity and move forward. Moving backwards rarely encourages growth. Such is life.
Personally I think attachment parenting and breastfeeding children long after it's a developmental necessity, is more about the psychological needs and dependencies of the parent then the child. That's not very psychologically healthy for either party or conducive to their independent development because of it's a co-dependent reliance on a comfort space that inhibits development for both parties.
In extremis, you get Norman Bates, in reality you get a percentage of adults that have been trained to find their comfort zones in their parents rather then their own defined parameters and thus have problems as 'fledglings' leaving the nest, because they have not been taught new coping strategies.

Personally I think it can be damaging to force a young child (and 4 is still very young) to stop something they find comfort in before they are ready. The child will stop when he/she no longer needs it.

For me I wish my daughter would stop climbing into my bed in the middle of the night but I'm not going to lock the door on her so she can't do it anymore. Like everything else, she will grow out of it in her own time

lazygal · 02-02-2018 09:43PM

wexie wrote: »

yup, I can vouch for that.

Little man refused to eat baby food when we tried weaning him cause he wanted what his sisters were eating.

Off he went to creche with his cheese sandwich and his no teeth

We never bothered with pureed food, just fed them proper food.

conorhal · 02-02-2018 09:45PM

neonsofa wrote: »

I always thought the milk name was due to their gorgeous white colour. Learn something new everyday. Babies have proper sparkly white teeth and then when they grow their adult teeth they look so dull in comparison!

Well babies do so rarely smoke, drink coffee and drink red wine.. rarely...

Roger Hassenforder · 02-02-2018 09:47PM

lazygal wrote: »

They're called milk teeth. Babies can eat solid food with no teeth.

Tear a chop?
Bite a full apple?
Crunch a nut?
Eat a raw carrot?

How praytell do they tear/masticate? Without teeth they're slobbering on hard food, they might manage soft food like a breadroll when it gets wet with saliva and starts to fall apart.
Our teeth are shaped the way they are for reasons. Milions of years of evolution has shown theyre not too bad at what they do.

A mashed banana, pured sweet potato and some baby rice, with a few chopped grapes to promote dexterity is weaning food.

lazygal · 02-02-2018 09:49PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Tear a chop?
Bite a full apple?
Crunch a nut?
Eat a raw carrot?

How praytell do they tear/masticate? Without teeth they're slobbering on hard food, they might manage soft food like a breadroll when it gets wet with saliva and starts to fall apart.
Our teeth are shaped the way they are for reasons. Milions of years of evolution has shown theyre not too bad at what they do.

A mashed banana, pured sweet potato and some baby rice, with a few chopped grapes to promote dexterity is weaning food.

Baby rice is awful stuff. Humans managed for years without it.
We started with normal foods. Cooked veg. Chopped up soft fruits. No need for any purees here.

ceadaoin. · 02-02-2018 09:50PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Tear a chop?
Bite a full apple?
Crunch a nut?
Eat a raw carrot?

How praytell do they tear/masticate? Without teeth they're slobbering on hard food, they might manage soft food like a breadroll when it gets wet with saliva and starts to fall apart.
Our teeth are shaped the way they are for reasons. Milions of years of evolution has shown theyre not too bad at what they do.

A mashed banana, pured sweet potato and some baby rice, with a few chopped grapes to promote dexterity is weaning food.

Baby led weaning . My daughter managed to eat apples, carrots, melon, vegetables etc with no teeth. Although it was chopped into manageable pieces that she could hold onto first. No mashing required

conorhal · 02-02-2018 09:52PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Personally I think it can be damaging to force a young child (and 4 is still very young) to stop something they find comfort in before they are ready. The child will stop when he/she no longer needs it.

For me I wish my daughter would stop climbing into my bed in the middle of the night but I'm not going to lock the door on her so she can't do it anymore. Like everything else, she will grow out of it in her own time

Well that's fair enough, most children develop their own coping strategies as they develop themselves, most do grow out of dependencies.
It's not about locking the door. It's about enabling them to cope without having to do something so extreme (and possibly as damaging as encouraging dependency). I was just talking about parenting that actively discourages that development by placing their own needs for attachment above a child's need to develop.

lazygal · 02-02-2018 09:54PM

conorhal wrote: »

Well that's fair enough, most children develop their own coping strategies as they develop themselves, most do grow out of dependencies.
It's not about locking the door. It's about enabling them to cope without having to do something so extreme (and possibly as damaging as encouraging dependency). I was just talking about parenting that actively discourages that development.

How does natural term breastfeeding discourage development? My son has met all milestones and is a happy and independent child.

Bitches Be Trypsin · 02-02-2018 09:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Really? I thought breast feeding was linked to all sorts of health benefits for the baby. Also it's a natural source of food rather than formula.

It is linked to slight benefits in general health, but so is formula milk, they both have their pros and cons. While breast milk promotes a healthy immune system, is naturally sterile and is naturally the correct temperature, formula fed babies tend to put on weight quicker (in a good way, for their growth and development) and they also tend to sleep better

Really it's all about what a mother chooses for her and her baby I guess!

ted1 wrote: »

I’d like to see your Scentific credientials.

I'd like to indulge you, however that would give my identity away. I hold an ordinary degree in biomedical science and I'm just finishing my honours degree in it.

Crea · 02-02-2018 09:58PM

Given that socio economically the wealthier and more educated women were more likely to bf it would follow that the kids would do better academically given family resources and supports.

Breastfeeding and children's intelligence not linked

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