Politician rants on foreign freeloaders

TerrorFirmer · 01-02-2018 04:27PM

the_syco wrote: »

I wonder how many contracts he gave his own company whilst mayor, and now councillor? I'd say he's up to his eyeballs in corruption!

The Mayor has no say in what contracts are awarded to whom, nor does a Councillor.

There are potential ways in which local politicians could technically be corrupt, but that's not really one of them.

They can have a say in zoning, for one. But that comes down to a chamber vote, so a single councillor doesn't really wield much power at all.

enricoh · 01-02-2018 04:29PM

The new mayor of Limerick was lambasted recently for saying there would be no housing crisis in Limerick if it wasn't for the amount of social housing given to foreigners.
The magic money tree brigade of aaa n sinn fein went bananas!

Captain Obvious · 01-02-2018 04:34PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

What a great anecdote.

I'm particularly impressed at Mr X's refreshing honesty. You'd think someone so adept at scamming the system would have a better answer than one that could get him booted off the social.

biko · 01-02-2018 04:58PM

Everybody chimes in about how bad dole abusers are.
Unless the abuser is foreign, then everybody loses their minds.

El Weirdo · 01-02-2018 05:21PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm particularly impressed at Mr X's refreshing honesty. You'd think someone so adept at scamming the system would have a better answer than one that could get him booted off the social.

Exactly. Has Mr Larkin given this man's name to the Dept. Social Protection?

Do we know for sure that the wife and/or mistress aren't working and Mr X is not just a stay-at-home dad?

Vladimir Poontang · 01-02-2018 05:26PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

People come to Europe for economic and quality of life reasons, who can blame them? At some point in the future however it stands to reason that in order to protect and maintain the benefits of European society which make it attractive to migrants, we will have to put the brakes on.

Never mind the future, should have been done years ago.

Cordell · 01-02-2018 05:39PM

who can blame them?

They shouldn't be blamed for coming and abusing the system. But the system has to be made unattractive and unabusable.

MilesMorales1 · 01-02-2018 05:45PM

This is like a nearly perfect cocktail of outrage stuff to get after hours readers proper good and outraged. If only that man was a traveller too, it'd be complete.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 01-02-2018 06:02PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yes, all Irish are hardworking and wouldn't dream of being dole scroungers.
Unlike those lazy layabouts like the Poles and other Eastern Europeans :rolleyes:

You can always win straw man arguments.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 01-02-2018 06:03PM

Isn’t it the case for EU migrants that you have to earn stamps before you get the dole?

mcmoustache · 01-02-2018 06:03PM

biko wrote: »

Everybody chimes in about how bad dole abusers are.
Unless the abuser is foreign, then everybody loses their minds.

Are there really people out there who give out about social housing for dole abusers but have no problem with freeloading foreigners? Like rule 34, I'm sure that there are some oddballs out there that hold such an opinion but I only hear about them from infowars, prison planet and other assorted redhatters. Is it that common?

mcmoustache · 01-02-2018 06:05PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Isn’t it the case for EU migrants that you have to earn stamps before you get the dole?

It's probably like the way your car won't start unless you have a driver's licence.

Cordell · 01-02-2018 06:06PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Are there really people out there who give out about social housing for dole abusers but have no problem with freeloading foreigners?

Probably, because having a problem with freeloading foreigners may be perceived as racist, and they won't have that.

mcmoustache · 01-02-2018 06:09PM

Cordell wrote: »

Probably, because having a problem with freeloading foreigners may be perceived as racist, and they won't have that.

You have a point. I wish people could just dislike freeloaders wherever they come from. It's much simpler.

road_high · 01-02-2018 06:10PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

People come to Europe for economic and quality of life reasons, who can blame them? At some point in the future however it stands to reason that in order to protect and maintain the benefits of European society which make it attractive to migrants, we will have to put the brakes on.

Not in the future, now! We are well past that. Africa and parts of asia are breeding like locusts, however that's not our problem.
I'm slightly heartened to see that the EU have become a little more coordinated and effective of late at stopping the hordes of African migrants in the Med trying to get to these shores. These add absolutely nothing to our societies only draw on our already stretched social services and housing. Not to mention the societal problems they inevitably bring.
Balanced, skilled migration is good. Free -for-all is catastrophic and I'm delighted to see a politician finally brave enough to speak up.

Ronaldinho · 01-02-2018 06:49PM

I would be more put out by the more social aspects of the story than the idea of the state coffers being bled. Reminded me of this: http://time.com/5124337/india-unwanted-missing-girls-women/
Story broke a couple of days ago.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 01-02-2018 06:52PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's probably like the way your car won't start unless you have a driver's licence.

Not really the same is it?

Grayson · 01-02-2018 07:18PM

road_high wrote: »

Not in the future, now! We are well past that. Africa and parts of asia are breeding like locusts, however that's not our problem.
I'm slightly heartened to see that the EU have become a little more coordinated and effective of late at stopping the hordes of African migrants in the Med trying to get to these shores. These add absolutely nothing to our societies only draw on our already stretched social services and housing. Not to mention the societal problems they inevitably bring.
Balanced, skilled migration is good. Free -for-all is catastrophic and I'm delighted to see a politician finally brave enough to speak up.

You know it's a well balanced argument when it's in a thread about a rumour and people are compared to insects.

mcmoustache · 01-02-2018 08:03PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Not really the same is it?

No. Not quite.

While you need a driver's licence to drive on public roads, you do not need one to start your car. It's based on an old joke, possibly from a D'Unbelievables skit from 20 years ago.

As for needing stamps if you're an EU citizen, that might apply to Job Seeker's Benefit but the restriction on other DSP services appears to be based on the right to reside in the country.

I'm willing to be corrected on that.

fxotoole · 01-02-2018 08:09PM

“We are standing at airport gates weekly waving goodbye to our well-educated youth as they emigrate in the hope of a better life, with a cheque in the other hand welcoming families who are here for a good time with no intention of making a contribution to the State”

No we're not.

In fact, I don't know ANYONE in my work, social, or family circles who are waving goodbye weekly to people emigrating. Employment figures are at almost 100%. Ridiculous hyperbole.

fxotoole · 01-02-2018 08:11PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wouldnt want to live on 188 a week but in saying that as someone who is self employed generating money for the state, its very annoying to see people who have contributed nothing arriving here getting money automatically in the social welfare office but if I went in if things went wrong i would get waterboarded.

More hyperbole.

Self employed now have the same entitlements as PAYE workers

fxotoole · 01-02-2018 08:19PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Isn’t it the case for EU migrants that you have to earn stamps before you get the dole?

Yes, but don't let that get in the way of a rant

mfceiling · 01-02-2018 08:21PM

fxotoole wrote: »

More hyperbole.

Self employed now have the same entitlements as PAYE workers

Self-employed people pay Class S PRSI. Class S PRSI only covers you for certain social welfare payments. It does NOT cover you for Jobseeker’s Benefit.

Citizens advice website.

fxotoole · 01-02-2018 08:22PM

road_high wrote: »

Not in the future, now! We are well past that. Africa and parts of asia are breeding like locusts, however that's not our problem.
I'm slightly heartened to see that the EU have become a little more coordinated and effective of late at stopping the hordes of African migrants in the Med trying to get to these shores. These add absolutely nothing to our societies only draw on our already stretched social services and housing. Not to mention the societal problems they inevitably bring.
Balanced, skilled migration is good. Free -for-all is catastrophic and I'm delighted to see a politician finally brave enough to speak up.

Ever actually tried to apply for asylum? Or a long term visa for that matter? It's not as easy as you're making out.

fxotoole · 01-02-2018 08:27PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Self-employed people pay Class S PRSI. Class S PRSI only covers you for certain social welfare payments. It does NOT cover you for Jobseeker’s Benefit.

Citizens advice website.

My mistake. Varadkar was looking at reforming the system but looks like it hasn't panned out. Yet.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-planning-to-extend-welfare-benefits-34784933.html

kneemos · 01-02-2018 08:32PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Self-employed people pay Class S PRSI. Class S PRSI only covers you for certain social welfare payments. It does NOT cover you for Jobseeker’s Benefit.

Citizens advice website.

They can get jobseekers allowance.

spaceCreated · 01-02-2018 08:36PM

fxotoole wrote: »

No we're not.

In fact, I don't know ANYONE in my work, social, or family circles who are waving goodbye weekly to people emigrating. Employment figures are at almost 100%. Ridiculous hyperbole.

What? Did you miss the massive emigration in the last decade or were you under a rock? Take about 2 minutes to look up the figures if you wanted

Galwayguy35 · 01-02-2018 08:43PM

the_syco wrote: »

I wonder how many contracts he gave his own company whilst mayor, and now councillor? I'd say he's up to his eyeballs in corruption!

Any proof to back up any of this or are you just talking out of your hoop.

road_high · 01-02-2018 08:43PM

fxotoole wrote: »

Ever actually tried to apply for asylum? Or a long term visa for that matter? It's not as easy as you're making out.

Who said anything about asylum seekers? I'm there's a few genuine ones we can help but resources are limited and we can't solve all citizens from other nations problems. The asylum process should be difficult and rigorous. Are you suggesting it should be easy or something?

Kivaro · 01-02-2018 08:46PM

fxotoole wrote: »

No we're not.

In fact, I don't know ANYONE in my work, social, or family circles who are waving goodbye weekly to people emigrating. Employment figures are at almost 100%. Ridiculous hyperbole.

Maybe you have 'different' circles to the rest of us.

fxotoole wrote: »

More hyperbole.

Self employed now have the same entitlements as PAYE workers

Wrong.

Maybe you should look up the meaning of hyperbole. You've been wrong in both cases.

Politician rants on foreign freeloaders

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