Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493

fluke · 30-01-2018 11:21AM

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david75 · 30-01-2018 03:29PM

Amazin

And Woody Harrellson connection too. I like what you did there

david75 · 30-01-2018 03:31PM

https://twitter.com/heathdwilliams/status/958053452327858181

Inviere · 30-01-2018 05:17PM

Tony EH wrote: »

It does change who Han Solo is though. That's the problem.

I don't see how. That's a bit like saying the OT is now **** because the PT ruined it. Whatever is & was great about previous Star Wars films (and indeed any film), will always remain so, despite whatever rubbish they put before it as a prequel. That said, I'm not yet convinced this film will be as bad as is being made out.

Falthyron · 30-01-2018 05:24PM

Inviere wrote: »

I don't see how. That's a bit like saying the OT is now **** because the PT ruined it. Whatever is & was great about previous Star Wars films (and indeed any film), will always remain so, despite whatever rubbish they put before it as a prequel. That said, I'm not yet convinced this film will be as bad as is being made out.

The OT isn't shít because of the PT, but....

:pac:

And the other changes made to cater for the PT.

david75 · 30-01-2018 05:50PM

If Hayden as Anakin does appear in episode 9 this will be the greatest retcon of all time

Falthyron · 30-01-2018 05:56PM

david75 wrote: »

If Hayden as Anakin does appear in episode 9 this will be the greatest retcon of all time

No, it really won't. It makes no sense for Luke to see Hayden's Anakin in Jedi, moments after cremating Shaw's Anakin. He only knows Anakin as Shaw. Why would this younger version appear as a force ghost? If you can choose how you look when you reappear using the force then surely you would always pick a younger you. Therefore, we should have Ewan as Obi Wan in Jedi as well.

If Hayden appears in Episode IX, it won't go down well.

Inviere · 30-01-2018 06:04PM

Falthyron wrote: »

:pac:

And the other changes made to cater for the PT.

Nothing the Despecialized Editions don't take care of :pac:

david75 · 30-01-2018 06:05PM

Falthyron wrote: »

No, it really won't. It makes no sense for Luke to see Hayden's Anakin in Jedi, moments after cremating Shaw's Anakin. He only knows Anakin as Shaw. Why would this younger version appear as a force ghost? If you can choose how you look when you reappear using the force then surely you would always pick a younger you. Therefore, we should have Ewan as Obi Wan in Jedi as well.

If Hayden appears in Episode IX, it won't go down well.

That’s been explained. It’s the last moment he was himself and still with the light and not yet Vader. His eyes go full sith yellow once he turns in ROTS and his spirit corrupted.
The (really cool) recent Vader comic run has him meditating with his suit off and he’s surrounded by little globes of light. He’s never truly fully evil and always struggles with the good/light still in him. This Luke senses and exploits in ROTJ.
Plus force ghosts can appear any form they like visible or invisible.
Luke wouldn’t just be ‘seeing’ him either. He’d feel him and know who he is. Sense his presence n all that.

George wrote it this way. You may not agree with it but it’s canon.

Falthyron · 30-01-2018 06:23PM

david75 wrote: »

That’s been explained. It’s the last moment he was himself and still with the light and not yet Vader. His eyes go full sith yellow once he turns in ROTS and his spirit corrupted.
The (really cool) recent Vader comic run has him meditating with his suit off and he’s surrounded by little globes of light. He’s never truly fully evil and always struggles with the good/light still in him. This Luke senses and exploits in ROTJ.
Plus force ghosts can appear any form they like visible or invisible.
Luke wouldn’t just be ‘seeing’ him either. He’d feel him and know who he is. Sense his presence n all that.

George wrote it this way. You may not agree with it but it’s canon.

I don't think George ever intended to replace Sebastian Shaw in Return of the Jedi when he made it at the time. Otherwise, he would have done so for the reasons you have outlined. He could have picked a young actor who was similar looking to a young Sebastian Shaw and put him next to Yoda and Alec Guinness. But, he didn't. He only changed it after he made the prequels years later and it makes no sense. Luke's initial reaction upon seeing Hayden should have been: "What the...?", a brief pause, and then "Ahhh, so that is how my father looked before Obi Wan dismembered him".

Also, the whole eyes turning yellow thing isn't consistent either. When Anakin embraces Padme after she arrives on Mustafar his eyes are fine. Likewise when he fights Obi Wan. They turn back to yellow as he burns, but that's about it. Furthermore, if Anakin always struggled with the allure of the lightside of the Force then he never truly broke. The only reason we see Shaw/Hayden as a human was because it was too expensive and complicated to have either of them looking burnt and decrepit in Jedi robes. Anakin post-throwing the Emperor into the Death Star is the same Anakin prior to cutting off Windu's hand. Same person, just looking for a reason to do what he is doing and always has done: protecting Padme and protecting Luke.

As for comics/novels written post-Disney and presented as canon, forget it. The films did all the necessary explaining back in the 70s and 80s, they should be able to do the same today and they should be judged on that, not the additional reading required to 'get the full story'.

david75 · 30-01-2018 06:26PM

as I said. You don’t have to like it. But it’s canon. These are changes he made.
Complaining about it won’t change them back.

Inviere · 30-01-2018 07:03PM

Vader Anakin turned back to the light side once he chose to save Luke & kill the Emperor. Luke says to him as he's dying, "...but I came here to save you!", & Anakin replies, "You already have." That, to me, implies in the story that Luke had indeed turned Vader back from the dark side, and thus, saved him. The decision to replace Shaw with Christensen as the Anakin force ghost was beyond stupid, but as alluded to above, t'was only one of many decision Lucas made that was beyond stupid.

I'm a stickler for canon, but personally, I don't think there's any justifiable reason for the swap-shop job done at the end of RotJ....yellow eyes or not, it's a ridiculous decision that was a feeble, and outright clumsy attempt, to tie both trilogies together.

david75 · 30-01-2018 07:54PM

JJ has said he’s tying all three trilogies together in episode 9. Whatever that could entail.
Rian has left him perfectly placed to do that’s with pretty much a blank slate. So our only hint about it could be /probably is tied directly to Rey and Kylo.
Balance of the force. She says something key when she’s meditating in TLJ ‘that same force..inside me’.
So maybe he’ll make it about balance and the two of them either elimating each other or joining each other to teach both sides.. Be a difficult working relationship but I still don’t think he’s all the way gone.

Safe bet there’s no force users in Solo but it probably will get mentioned. Han has no knowledge of it, it’s all a myth to him in ANH

you think Chewie would have mentioned he was a personal friend of Yoda in ROTS and carries him on his shoulders when he sees him

(now that was dumb)

Tony EH · 31-01-2018 08:56AM

Inviere wrote: »

I don't see how. That's a bit like saying the OT is now **** because the PT ruined it. Whatever is & was great about previous Star Wars films (and indeed any film), will always remain so, despite whatever rubbish they put before it as a prequel. That said, I'm not yet convinced this film will be as bad as is being made out.

The only way the OT isn't shat on by the prequels is if you eliminate them, altogether, from your viewing. When watched in a row, the prequels litter the broader story with so much stupid, it's impossible to enjoy.

But, the fact still remains that they still exist and the great character of Darth Vader was reduced to a litany of offensive whining and wretched acting that was Hayden Christiansen's Anakin Skywalker.

That awfulness is there. It isn't going away, no matter how much one ignores it, and it remains destructive, not only to the character of Vader, but others too.

If 'Solo' does the same to that character, simply ignoring it won't make it go away. The quality of the good films don't get reduced as a matter of course. But the broader story does.

TerrorFirmer · 31-01-2018 11:10AM

One potential thread in TFA not addressed in TLJ is Kylo Ren urging the twisted remains of Vader's Helmet to 'show me again the power of the dark side' (or something to that effect).

Now, this may have been entirely figurative, but there's also potential that he was seeing something, either genuinely, or via manipulation by Snoke (more likely).

Probably won't be addressed again though.

david75 · 31-01-2018 01:43PM

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

One potential thread in TFA not addressed in TLJ is Kylo Ren urging the twisted remains of Vader's Helmet to 'show me again the power of the dark side' (or something to that effect).

Now, this may have been entirely figurative, but there's also potential that he was seeing something, either genuinely, or via manipulation by Snoke (more likely).

Probably won't be addressed again though.

Yeah I was wondering has he been planting Vader visions in his head to control him. I think we’ll get some background on this eventually.

tigger123 · 31-01-2018 06:36PM

david75 wrote: »

Yeah I was wondering has he been planting Vader visions in his head to control him. I think we’ll get some background on this eventually.

I interpreted it that he was being driven by the myth of Vader. Does it need to be addressed?

david75 · 31-01-2018 06:42PM

tigger123 wrote: »

I interpreted it that he was being driven by the myth of Vader. Does it need to be addressed?

It doesn’t need to be but his finding out his grandfather was the most evil man in the galaxy, while he himself is studying to be a Jedi, is something they will eventually cover. Bloodline has the secret getting out that Leia is his daughter and it ruins her political career. She hasn’t told Ben at this point but he’s off studying with Luke and she doesn’t know where they are to contact them but the news is all over the holonet so he’s going to find out the worst way possible.

So how does he go from padewan to being obsessed with Vader will be a cool story to get. Strange that all Luke says on it in TLJ is that by the time he realised Ben was so steeped in darkness it was too late. He also says Snoke had corrupted him so it’s too much good stuff for them not to do.
It’ll more than likely be in a book if this new tv series isn’t about Luke and the ‘lost’ years or the academy.

eviltimeban · 01-02-2018 10:40AM

Back to talking about Solo.

pixelburp · 01-02-2018 10:59AM

What else is there to discuss at this stage, in the absence of any promotional material? We've got, what, one partial cast photo and that's it. All there is is speculation & navel-gazing.

eviltimeban · 01-02-2018 12:52PM

pixelburp wrote: »

What else is there to discuss at this stage, in the absence of any promotional material? We've got, what, one partial cast photo and that's it. All there is is speculation & navel-gazing.

Well, if there's nothing to discuss until we get something, there's nothing to discuss.

Those movies don't really relate to Solo, is all.

My first thought about the original "comedy" route was whether they were going to end up making a "Starsky and Hutch" (the Ben Stiller one) sort of comedy homage. But there'd be too much at risk. Saying that, one of the few ways to present iconic characters on screen is to parody them.

Maybe Disney felt that this approach was too parodic, and wanted to bring it back to more of a straight forward action / adventure. Perhaps Alden's performance was too slap stick.

david75 · 01-02-2018 02:41PM

It was Alden went to the producers complaining that Lord and Miller were treating it too much like a comedy and reportedly it was more Ace Ventura than Han Solo and he was uncomfortable with that.

Falthyron · 01-02-2018 05:44PM

Does anyone know if the running sequence of adverts/trailers for the Super Bowl is released prior to the event? I wouldn't mind staying up a little late to see the Solo trailer, but not that late.

Mickeroo · 01-02-2018 05:58PM

Falthyron wrote: »

Does anyone know if the running sequence of adverts/trailers for the Super Bowl is released prior to the event? I wouldn't mind staying up a little late to see the Solo trailer, but not that late.

I don't think so. The ads at super bowl are an event in themselves (some folks literally watch it just for them).

david75 · 01-02-2018 07:07PM

Classic Han Solo manoeuvre.
They’re burying it among all the ads at halftime so it can float away unnoticed with all the other garbage

david75 · 01-02-2018 07:09PM

Some big brands have already released their big ads for it so maybe we’ll get Solo tomorrow?

david75 · 01-02-2018 07:22PM

Guess not. MSW just reported ‘When it comes to Solo: A Star Wars Story, a shorter version of the teaser will hit on the Super Bowl and a longer version of the teaser will follow shortly thereafter during the following week.’

tigger123 · 01-02-2018 07:33PM

Just read online that the trailer was delayed until The Last Jedi was finished in theatres.

tigger123 · 01-02-2018 07:33PM

So as not to draw focus.

david75 · 01-02-2018 07:44PM

Focus? Away from TLJ?
It’s only playing about 1700 theatres in the US right now. Still making money but not loads.

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Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493