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Solo (young Han Solo film) *spoilers from post 1493*

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  • #632
    Falthyron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I guess that's what happens when you monitise "nerd culture". Lots of nice, big, fat, paychecks riding on it. I'm almost certain that Hamill has had a number of "WTF Mark? Waddaya doin' man? STFU!" type messages from the marketing dept.

    Every time I see that big goofy smile on Harrison Ford's face during the press/marketing/conference events for TFA I can't help but imagine he is thinking: "I am getting paid 20 million for this shít". :pac:


  • #633
    Falthyron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Anyway, where is this damned 'Solo' trailer? I am eager to tear it to shreds.


  • #634
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    To be fair it’s safe to assume everyone here is old enough to have watched that bizarre transition from nerddom to cash money. I grew up and I’m sure most of us did where you were bullied and abused if you liked Star Wars or comics or even films / aka if you didn’t like football you were a spa and beaten up and if you weren’t being pretentious and in a band and couldn’t name the off cuts of every pink Floyd album you were completely uncool.

    Then Somehow seemingly overnight nerd culture became absorbed into mainstream and became the arrowhead of culture certainly in entertainment.

    I feel like Star Wars was almost late to that party and it was marvel etc that spearheaded it to begin with.


  • #635
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Falthyron wrote: »
    Anyway, where is this damned 'Solo' trailer? I am eager to tear it to shreds.

    Any minute now
    When did you all turn into grumpy old men??

    Incoming



  • #636
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Don’t know why there’s a media event about it tonight in France but there was

    https://twitter.com/laurentcoet/status/956208712896655360


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  • #637
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,123 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    david75 wrote: »
    To be fair it’s safe to assume everyone here is old enough to have watched that bizarre transition from nerddom to cash money. I grew up and I’m sure most of us did where you were bullied and abused if you liked Star Wars or comics or even films / aka if you didn’t like football you were a spa and beaten up and if you weren’t being pretentious and in a band and couldn’t name the off cuts of every pink Floyd album you were completely uncool.

    Then Somehow seemingly overnight nerd culture became absorbed into mainstream and became the arrowhead of culture certainly in entertainment.

    I feel like Star Wars was almost late to that party and it was marvel etc that spearheaded it to begin with.

    Well, personally, I never got bullied for liking Star Wars, as most people my age kinda did. But, it was liking Star Wars, not LIKING!!!!!! Star Wars.

    I think a lot can be traced back to the prequels. That's where I saw, really for the first time, this Uber Star Wars nerd type thing and with the advent of the web, that kind of "culture" grew and grew to an absurd level. All of a sudden people were acting like Trekkies. :pac:

    Never knew anything about Marvel being on this side of the Atlantic. To me they just made comics. I saw the odd one here and there, but it was never widespread. But, then '2000 A.D.' and 'Warlord' was my type of thing as a kid.


  • #638
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    The internet arrived just before the prequels and gave birth to the toxicity we see now in all fandoms not just Star Wars but they did lead the charge hating the prequels.
    Lucas himself said ‘they hate me. They hate what I’ve done Why would I make more?’
    I meant the Marvell movie franchise really forced nerd culture into the mainstream. Star Wars certainly didn’t. Not after the prequels especially.
    The Star Wars films are much more cross generational in a way the marvel thing isn’t. Not yet anyways.


  • #639
    Sad Professor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,716 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    It seems they're dropping Star Wars from the title in China. They are just calling it "Ranger Solo".


  • #640
    Falthyron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    It seems they're dropping Star Wars from the title in China. They are just calling it "Ranger Solo".

    We can possibly begin to hazard that Solo starts off with Han being some sort of a soldier? Fair enough. Disney should probably just give up on trying to push Star Wars on the Chinese, they are obviously not interested.


  • #641
    Sad Professor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,716 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I think dropping the SW branding will help, but Rian's new trilogy is probably their best chance to break into the Chinese market. The sequel trilogy and the standalones are too dependent on the OT, which the Chinese never saw theatrically.


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  • #642
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    It seems they're dropping Star Wars from the title in China. They are just calling it "Ranger Solo".


    Nothing to do with China.
    Rogue one was the same internationally.

    It was initially rogue one a Star Wars story.
    Then they dropped it quite quickly cos of the reshoots presumably.

    Star Wars is never mentioned anywhere in the marketing anywhere for rogue one. It’s not even mentioned in the title card of the film.


  • #643
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Disney jams in a few Asian actors. Hoping that will make the film work in China.

    Disney then doesn’t bother checking where the Asian actor is from.

    Kelly Marie trans family are Vietnamese. Not Chinese.

    That’s a blind kind of cultural appropriation all its own.
    They need to stop doing that.


  • #644
    Sad Professor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,716 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    david75 wrote: »
    Nothing to do with China.
    Rogue one was the same internationally.

    It was initially rogue one a Star Wars story.
    Then they dropped it quite quickly cos of the reshoots presumably.

    Star Wars is never mentioned anywhere in the marketing anywhere for rogue one. It’s not even mentioned in the title card of the film.

    Huh? "A Star Wars Story" was clearly on all the Rogue One posters and trailers.


  • #645
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Huh? "A Star Wars Story" was clearly on all the Rogue One posters and trailers.

    Was it. Look again. When it was it was placed in tiny tiny writing hidden in the frame. How many trailers did you see saying rogue one a Star Wars story.
    It wasn’t used anywhere.


  • #646
    Sad Professor
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    david75 wrote: »
    Was it. Look again. When it was it was placed in tiny tiny writing hidden in the frame. How many trailers did you see saying rogue one a Star Wars story.
    It wasn’t used anywhere.

    All the posters and trailers I saw said "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story". I just googled them again. Yep, it's there on all of them.


  • #647
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Yeah Star Wars isn’t really prominent in any of these posters.
    Haven’t seen any Solo:a Star Wars story posters either.

    https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/film-poster/2/5/8/1/2/8/258128-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-0-230-0-345-crop.jpg?k=90f1f7dc7f

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjEwMzMxODIzOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNzg3OTAzMDI@._V1_UX182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg


  • #648
    johnny_ultimate
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    It overtly says ‘a Star Wars story’ on both those posters as part of the main logo.


  • #649
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,123 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    It seems they're dropping Star Wars from the title in China. They are just calling it "Ranger Solo".

    They must think the Chinese are idiots.


  • #650
    Sad Professor
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    They must think the Chinese are idiots.

    Why?


  • #651
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,123 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's no interest in Star Wars over there. They have no history of it. Whether they include Star Wars on the poster of 'Solo' or not isn't really going to make a difference.


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  • #652
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Wouldn’t it be weird if Solo did way more money over there than TLJ?

    Not impossible. TLJ did nothing like the business they’d hoped for.


  • #653
    Sad Professor
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    There's no interest in Star Wars over there. They have no history of it. Whether they include Star Wars on the poster of 'Solo' or not isn't really going to make a difference.

    Yeah, they have no history of it, the OT wasn't released there, etc, so the marketing can't rely on the SW branding to sell the movie. So dropping the branding and marketing the film on its own merits seems like the way to go. Now it probably won't work with Solo simply because this film is a spin-off of the OT and everyone will know that. But they might have more success with the new trilogy.


  • #654
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,123 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    They'll still know it's Star Wars. They're not fools.


  • #655
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    It’s probably more in line with films that do well there. Do western films outside Pacific rims and fast and furious films do well over there? Rogue one did pretty good considering. It had no need to know anything about the franchise really. Solo will hopefully occupy the same space and work on its own.


  • #656
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Jaysis Tony you could have written this

    Why I Want 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' To Fail

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2018/01/28/why-i-want-solo-a-star-wars-story-to-fail/amp/


  • #657
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,123 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    How do you know I didn't? ;)

    In any case, what's in that article is correct.
    Solo is Hollywood at its most cynical, squeezing every last drop of blood from an iconic character until he’s nothing but a faded husk, played by Alden Ehrenreich

    That quote is bang on.

    Disney have a draw, win and loss under their belt, quality wise, with these films. But, if they keep going the route they are, they will eventually kill the whole thing altogether.

    I've said it before, their hearts are just not in the right place. It's money, first and foremost, that they are interested in. Everything else is secondary. Sometimes a very distant second.


  • #658
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    No arguing with some of his points but he’s wrong on others.
    As a fan that grew up in the shame of the prequels I never imagined we’d get more Star Wars. And here we are. I’ll take it no matter what. They haven’t put a foot wrong for me yet. This one is where they might. But I hope it’s a cool fun movie.
    And if it’s not? We haven’t lost anything. If it’s ****? It will shake them.

    Then we’ll get the real deal and back on track by giving us Kenobi.

    All will be forgiven.


  • #659
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,123 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    david75 wrote: »
    No arguing with some of his points but he’s wrong on others.

    I don't see any wrong in that article at all. His points are entirely correct. This film shouldn't be getting made at all. It's a cash grab, exploiting the most loved Star Wars character. It's money oriented, from the very start.
    david75 wrote: »
    As a fan that grew up in the shame of the prequels I never imagined we’d get more Star Wars. And here we are. I’ll take it no matter what. They haven’t put a foot wrong for me yet. This one is where they might. But I hope it’s a cool fun movie.
    And if it’s not? We haven’t lost anything. If it’s ****? It will shake them.

    Just becasue the prequels were utter dreck, it doesn't give Disney Star Wars a free pass and yes, with each failure, "we" do lose something. Every notch on the bad post lessens the over all experience. Remember, these films are canon now. Real canon. Not the mickey mouse stuff in the novels or comics that can be binned in the blink of an eye. The stuff going up on the screen is the history of the wider story.

    This is why so many fans are rejecting the very idea of a Han Solo movie. They know it's, more than likely, going to be a twee knockabout comedy adventure, that'll be a list of (unneeded) explanations of what Solo said in the 1977 film...and all without the benefit of actually having Harrison Ford in the title role.

    It'll be the bastard son of Star Wars, that the majority of people will be eager to forget, starring an actor who'll be delighted NEVER to play the character again or ever hear the name Star Wars.


  • #660
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    I can’t find the piece but I think it was Iger at a Disney conference way back that said that there will be three standalone films that will almost be like their own trilogy and they will each be genre movies all set in the same period (meaning pre OT) so we know Rogue one was the war movie, Han is said to be a gangster movie and (hopefully) Kenobi a space Western maybe?

    I’m up for that but not as worried about Solo as you are. Of course it is surplus to requirement but it won’t redefine Han for me. I can just choose not to acknowledge it if it’s bad. It won’t change who Han is in the ot for me.
    It won’t if it’s good either tbh. I don’t believe anyone can capture Fords magnetic onscreen charisma. With any luck the guy is just gonna do his own thing and not do an impression.


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  • #661
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,123 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    david75 wrote: »
    I’m up for that but not as worried about Solo as you are. Of course it is surplus to requirement but it won’t redefine Han for me. I can just choose not to acknowledge it if it’s bad. It won’t change who Han is in the ot for me.
    It won’t if it’s good either tbh. I don’t believe anyone can capture Fords magnetic onscreen charisma. With any luck the guy is just gonna do his own thing and not do an impression.

    It does change who Han Solo is though. That's the problem.

    Solo isn't some character that appears in the OT and nowhere else though. This film will be fundamental to his character, played by a totally different actor with totally different mannerisms etc.

    When I see actor switcheroos like this, I'm reminded of one critic's quote about the 'The Bourne Legacy', in that it was "Van Halenized". In other words, there was an abrupt change of front man and it always felt uncomfortable and uneasy.

    'Solo' will be no different and will be coupled will eye rolling shit nobody asked for in the likes of Kessel runs and other nonsense.

    It'll essentially take one of the biggest problems of the prequels and shoehorn it into Solo's legacy. An uncomfortable backstory, where none is needed, scuppering an already great character.


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