Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

07Lapierre · 31-01-2018 12:40PM

average_runner wrote: »

But at least cars that are 6 years old or less, the lights come on automatically, so that was a step in the right direction.

Are you talking about Daytime Running Lights?
Most cars only have front DRL's. Also the Auto lights feature that switched on both front and rear lights can be switched off by the driver.

mr spuckler · 31-01-2018 12:44PM

average_runner wrote: »

But at least cars that are 6 years old or less, the lights come on automatically, so that was a step in the right direction.

unfortunately this seems to make drivers forget about switching on the lights. I see a lot of cars now at night-time with just DLRs on.

07Lapierre · 31-01-2018 12:58PM

mr spuckler wrote: »

unfortunately this seems to make drivers forget about switching on the lights. I see a lot of cars now at night-time with just DLRs on.

One of the annoying features of my car is that the dash lights up with the DRL's. There's no "Lights on" light on the dash. Although I do have my lights set to Auto.

average_runner · 31-01-2018 01:17PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Are you talking about Daytime Running Lights?
Most cars only have front DRL's. Also the Auto lights feature that switched on both front and rear lights can be switched off by the driver.

Well if the driver switches them off, that's down to user stupidity, same as forgetting to turn lights on when on your bike!!

07Lapierre · 31-01-2018 01:40PM

Agree! lots of stupid people out there...walking, cycling and driving.

GreeBo · 31-01-2018 01:41PM

average_runner wrote: »

Well if the driver switches them off, that's down to user stupidity, same as forgetting to turn lights on when on your bike!!

Typically they switch them off to enable fog lights....unfortunately.

Felexicon · 31-01-2018 01:50PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Typically they switch them off to enable fog lights....unfortunately.

Really? That seems a bit of a stretch since we have the need for fog lights about 3 days a year in Ireland.

average_runner · 31-01-2018 01:54PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Typically they switch them off to enable fog lights....unfortunately.

Never had to that on any of my cars!

Chips Lovell · 31-01-2018 02:05PM

Daylight running lights are the high-viz vests of the motoring world.

Unnecessary in daylight and inadequate at night time.

shootermacg · 31-01-2018 05:13PM

Quite a few cyclists getting killed during daylight hours.

mr spuckler · 31-01-2018 05:18PM

shootermacg wrote: »

Quite a few cyclists getting killed during daylight hours.

and more often than not they've been wearing hi-viz.

07Lapierre · 31-01-2018 05:19PM

shootermacg wrote: »

Quite a few cyclists getting killed during daylight hours.

Which would suggest that visibility is not the issue. My guess is distracted drivers and speed are more likely (Most cyclist are hit from behind). Inexperience on the part of cyclists (e.g. squeezing up the left side of a HGV) could also play a part.

CramCycle · 01-02-2018 11:53AM

average_runner wrote: »

But at least cars that are 6 years old or less, the lights come on automatically, so that was a step in the right direction.

Except the rear lights and for several manufacturers, lights which appear to be dimmer than parking lights.

Coming through Bray this morning, in the bus lane when a car decides to swing out from the traffic lane (person in front had slowed, presumably to turn right). I slammed on the brakes and stopped just in time and off he drove. One of those skilled, I will indicate after I have started the maneuvre drivers. As we go through Bray I am thinking about it, he really could not have seen me as there is no way he would have thought it was a good move, which means he didn't look as I could see him in his rear view mirror.

I decide as traffic stops just to stop and say it to him, not expecting much, but what I got was even less than expected. He turned to me and said, "yeah, I seen you. Do you have brakes on that thing?" I replied I did, I even told him they both worked. He sort of mumbled an apology but I know he didn't understand what he had done wrong and that any escalation wasn't worth it. I am not great at reading people but this was the guy in the pub who if he bumped into you, he wouldn't say sorry and if your said it, he would probably punch you or accuse you of bumping into him. Not worth it.

Shortly after this I had a driver undertake me on a roundabout, for nothing really. I was behind them for 5 minutes until they got stuck in Shankhill and I doubt they caught up with me after that.

Danbo! · 01-02-2018 12:49PM

CramCycle wrote: »

He turned to me and said, "yeah, I seen you. Do you have brakes on that thing?" I replied I did, I even told him they both worked.

Sounds like one of those entitled pr*cks who feels like he's more deserving of the road, given he's paid his road tax.

I've had a couple of close passes in the last two weeks where I said it to the drivers stopped in traffic and been met with an apology and an "I didnt see you" :rolleyes: - but with someone like your man above there's no point going any further with it once he says something like that

CramCycle · 01-02-2018 12:52PM

Danbo! wrote: »

Sounds like one of those entitled pr*cks who feels like he's more deserving of the road, given he's paid his road tax.

I've had a couple of close passes in the last two weeks where I said it to the drivers stopped in traffic and been met with an apology and an "I didnt see you" :rolleyes: - but with someone like your man above there's no point going any further with it once he says something like that

As I continued on, I regrettably thought of many answers to his question which made more sense, one was asking him, how do you think I stopped when you pulled out in front of me?

You are right though, at that point, the conversation was over, so nothing left to do but move on.

queldy · 01-02-2018 01:12PM

I wonder if there is some virus in the air, in the last few days I had quite a few close passes of people "not seeing me". I am lighted up properly, and highvis as well. Some of them just do not see me, some think they have enough time to do what they are doing, some just do not care... let's be honest.
This morning during commute I had two of the typical:
1) approaching cross, cars stop in the right lane, waiting for turning right (they have to wait for cars traveling in the opposite direction), the smart man in the SUV with his phone on his lap and his colleague arguing like they are in the Wall Street stock exchange room pulls left with no indicator and without caring much I was there ("if there is not a car on my left me, why would there be a bike?")
2) straight road, continuos line, no much traffic, the car in front of me decides to make a u turn - sure why not. I was 10 meters from him, he pulled the indicator and made the u-turn. I wonder why such maneuver are forbidden.

But ehi, here I have a funny one: I finally decided to use my camera once. I do not really want to edit all the video, but here there is a part of what happened a few days ago in Shankhill. So I was very prepared for it, it ALWAYS happens; I was also quite aware of the motor roaring on my back, and I felt the impatience of the lady in the car (something not really visible from the video), like trying to decide "shall I pass now or shall I wait? shall I...?"

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So, as I said, I was aware - so it is not a real misses, just would like to point out this dangerous situation. And what happened later is: I talked to her and asked "why do you do this? why cannot you wait 3 seconds and give me some space?"
So the answer was: "excuse me, I cycled myself too, I thought I gave you enough space"

Really??? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

I asked her "would this space be enough for you?" and I continued my training.

PS do you think, by any chance, she runned the light red at the beginning of the video?

Stay safe!

Steoller · 01-02-2018 01:23PM

She definitely ran the red, and if she thinks that's enough space to give, she's having a laugh.

01-02-2018 02:13PM

queldy wrote: »

I wonder if there is some virus in the air, in the last few days I had quite a few close passes of people "not seeing me". I am lighted up properly, and highvis as well. Some of them just do not see me, some think they have enough time to do what they are doing, some just do not care... let's be honest.
This morning during commute I had two of the typical:
1) approaching cross, cars stop in the right lane, waiting for turning right (they have to wait for cars traveling in the opposite direction), the smart man in the SUV with his phone on his lap and his colleague arguing like they are in the Wall Street stock exchange room pulls left with no indicator and without caring much I was there ("if there is not a car on my left me, why would there be a bike?")
2) straight road, continuos line, no much traffic, the car in front of me decides to make a u turn - sure why not. I was 10 meters from him, he pulled the indicator and made the u-turn. I wonder why such maneuver are forbidden.

But ehi, here I have a funny one: I finally decided to use my camera once. I do not really want to edit all the video, but here there is a part of what happened a few days ago in Shankhill. So I was very prepared for it, it ALWAYS happens; I was also quite aware of the motor roaring on my back, and I felt the impatience of the lady in the car (something not really visible from the video), like trying to decide "shall I pass now or shall I wait? shall I...?"

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link2

So, as I said, I was aware - so it is not a real misses, just would like to point out this dangerous situation. And what happened later is: I talked to her and asked "why do you do this? why cannot you wait 3 seconds and give me some space?"
So the answer was: "excuse me, I cycled myself too, I thought I gave you enough space"

Really??? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

I asked her "would this space be enough for you?" and I continued my training.

PS do you think, by any chance, she runned the light red at the beginning of the video?

Stay safe!

I hate that bit of road. Near enough every time i go over that roundabout heading south, someone tries to overtake me coming off it and it is a real pinch point.

Lambay island · 01-02-2018 02:47PM

CramCycle wrote: »

As I continued on, I regrettably thought of many answers to his question which made more sense, one was asking him, how do you think I stopped when you pulled out in front of me?

You are right though, at that point, the conversation was over, so nothing left to do but move on.

I'm forever coming up with witty and clever replies about 2 minutes too late. What generally comes out of me at the time is just gibberish:rolleyes:

GreeBo · 01-02-2018 04:09PM

Felexicon wrote: »

Really? That seems a bit of a stretch since we have the need for fog lights about 3 days a year in Ireland.

You never see cars with their fog lights on weeks after we had any fog?

CramCycle · 01-02-2018 04:13PM

GreeBo wrote: »

You never see cars with their fog lights on weeks after we had any fog?

I only see fog lights on when we don't have fog, never when we do

andy69 · 01-02-2018 04:23PM

Lambay island wrote: »

I'm forever coming up with witty and clever replies about 2 minutes too late. What generally comes out of me at the time is just gibberish:rolleyes:

ha!

think we're all a bt like this! (courtesy of a boards.ie thread recently)....

magicbastarder · 01-02-2018 04:26PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I only see fog lights on when we don't have fog, never when we do

the fog is clearly to blame.

mr spuckler · 01-02-2018 04:42PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

the fog is clearly to blame.

discussing fog and motorist behaviour always takes me back to this incident

a lady lost her life after crashing into the back of a fire engine, which was on its way to the scene of another crash.

this line really stands out;

The accident is believed to have triggered a series of minor collisions. Vehicles coming on the scene of the crash had to brake suddenly due to poor visibility.

they didn't have to brake suddenly because they were driving too fast for the conditions! nope, the fog made them brake suddenly.

the superintendent hit the nail on the head;

Superintendent Ken Brennan, the regional garda traffic commander, said: “Drivers had ample visibility if they would adjust their driving. Most motorists didn’t adjust their driving to match the road and weather conditions and that contributed to the mayhem.”

He also said a large number of drivers had also failed to put on their dipped headlights and fog lamps to alert other motorists.

Many reported seeing other motorists travelling at 120kph in the fog, even though the Road Safety Authority said the appropriate speed was 30kph.

magicbastarder · 01-02-2018 04:48PM

mr spuckler wrote: »

a lady lost her life after crashing into the back of a fire engine, which was on its way to the scene of another crash.

yeah, i've often cited this myself - IIRC, there were no skid marks at the scene - she was driving so fast she didn't have time to hit the brakes. she was driving so fast she could not see a fire engine with blue flashing lights until it was far too late.

RobertFoster · 01-02-2018 04:59PM

Weepsie wrote: »

Are people confusing full beam headlights (entirely unnecessary in urban areas) with fog lights? I ask as I don't recall seeing them being used all that often

I see front fog lights being used all the time, night and day. It turns cyclopes into three-eyed monsters.

These lights:
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magicbastarder · 01-02-2018 06:14PM

now that i think about it, i reckon i used to see it a lot more several years ago.

Chips Lovell · 01-02-2018 06:17PM

My favourite are the people with one blown front light who decide to compensate by driving around with the other on full beam all the time.

Eh, it doesn't work like that folks. Dipped =/= 50% of full beam.

Ciaran_B · 02-02-2018 09:43AM

Got beeped out of it and danger passed by a taxi coming down Cork St. this morning, just before the junction with Ardee St. He pulled in and stopped about 100 metres after passing me, obviously those last 100 metres were essential to his journey.

I think I passed the scene of a bike accident this morning as well. Just opposite St. Patricks cathedral there were two fire engines and a person on a back-board being loaded into an ambulance. I couldn't see a bike on the ground but I didn't want to rubberneck it. Looked bad though.

Danbo! · 02-02-2018 10:35AM

Ciaran_B wrote: »

I think I passed the scene of a bike accident this morning as well. Just opposite St. Patricks cathedral there were two fire engines and a person on a back-board being loaded into an ambulance. I couldn't see a bike on the ground but I didn't want to rubberneck it. Looked bad though.

Yeah it was a cyclist. Seemed to have just happened when I passed about 7.20. I didnt stop as he had quite a few people around him helping, but it looked serious enough. Another cyclist seemed to be doing a good job of keeping him still and directing others to block traffic, etc. Horrible junction.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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