Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Danbo!

CramCycle wrote: »

Classy one this morning, driver nearly took my rear wheel out as they hook turned onto the bus lane after running a red. I realised as they passed, they had one hand, somewhere else, not on the steering wheel anyway and the hand on the wheel was desperately trying to hold their mobile while steering (it nearly fell which caused them to jerk sidewards).

They continued on up the bus lane, oblivious to the world. no one cared.

- running a red light 80euro + 3 points
- speeding 80euro + 3 points
- using a mobile phone while driving 60euro + 3 points
- using a bus lane when not a PSV 60euro (I think)
- driving without due care and attention court appearance, 5 points

The last one would be harder to prove but without it, that is 280euro + 9 points, with it is 280euro, court appearance and a disqualification. Although in Ireland, probably better off going to court.

Started considering taking any random commute video of mine and editing it to add a tally of penalty points and fines (of objective issues - no speeding or dangerous driving) to see what the total would be.

cjt156

Fines and points are concurrent, not consecutive unfortunately.
So that's most likely EU80 + 3. Possibly 5 and a hefty fine in court.

Personally I'd shove that phone right up....sigh, I digress...

cjt156

Stupid double posting...

Danjamin1

https://www.facebook.com/events/148530495866288/

This is a chance to provide direct feedback to our Minister for Transport.

From the event page:
"Shane Ross, Independent TD for Dublin Rathdown and Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, invites you to attend a public meeting on the topic of drink driving and road safety.

Guests include broadcaster Ray D'Arcy and Donna Price of the IRVA Irish Road Victims Association. Councillor Deirdre Donnelly,
Cllr Kevin Daly, and Cllr Seamas O'Neill will also be participating.

The meeting will take place at 8pm on Monday 19th February in St. Laurence's Parish Hall, Kilmacud Road Upper.

All are welcome to attend and members of the Dublin Rathdown community are particularly encouraged to make their voice heard on this important local matter."

ED E

cjt156 wrote: »

Fines and points are concurrent, not consecutive unfortunately.
So that's most likely EU80 + 3. Possibly 5 and a hefty fine in court.

Personally I'd shove that phone right up....sigh, I digress...

Depends on what you count as one incident or many. If parked its all the same place but this could be argued as a series of independent crimes.

CramCycle

cjt156 wrote: »

Stupid double posting...

Happens when your driving and you accidentally double tap because you hit a pothole or a pedestrian :pac:

average_runner

Two incidents I saw this over the mornings:

Yesterday a cyclist went straight across the O'Connell Bridge through a red light, causing the car to hit the brakes coming up the quays outside River Bar pub. Very lucky cyclists, inches from an injury.


This morning I saw a cyclist, a luas safety inspector and a guard in talks over something dangerous for cyclists, outcome from the inspector was we put a sign up!! Guard and inspector happy, cyclists a little bit more angry. This is where the luas track and road merge outside trinity.

mr spuckler

while thinking about a near-miss from yesterday evening I almost got knocked off my bike this morning!

yesterday, cycling along Mespil road towards Baggot st bridge, there was a car pulling out of the petrol station on my left. the entire time that I could see him he was looking left for traffic coming against me but was still moving forward, despite me being on his side of the road. I swung out to avoid him, stopped to get his attention and gestured as to what he was doing. he gave a token wave of acknowledgement and continued to move forward, still not having looked back to his right where I had just come from!

this morning while cycling down East wall road towards the port and fondly reminiscing about that incident, I was in the left hand lane moving up inside a long line of traffic on my right. as a car was approaching from behind in the left lane, I filtered into the right lane where the traffic was moving slowly to let him past (the sound thing to do). maybe 30s later I caught up with him while he was stopped in traffic and went to filter between the 2 lanes. cue the rear seat passenger swinging open the right side door to get out without looking. i let a shout along the lines of "woooooaaahh" and managed to avoid the door. I stopped and gestured to the driver who just looked at me really passively, no response whatsoever. I looked at the passenger but he literally never even acknowledged my existence. the other passenger who got out the left hand side waved in apology but the 2 who had responsibility just acted like I didn't exist.

Lambay island

Cycling into town via Clanbrassil St a short while ago. As usual, saw a few cars ahead of me driving in the bus lane. I then copped a Guard car moving into bus lane and was thinking great with blind optimism, he will pull a few of these in now surely..

UH UH..(How naive of me).. He just sauntered in behind them and was then followed by several other cars doing the same, one of which, very close passed me to add insult..

What chance do you have when the authorities just so casually break the law and turn a blind eye to another 10 motorists doing the same:(

QueenMTBee

Lambay island wrote: »

Cycling into town via Clanbrassil St a short while ago. As usual, saw a few cars ahead of me driving in the bus lane. I then copped a Guard car moving into bus lane and was thinking great with blind optimism, he will pull a few of these in now surely..

UH UH..(How naive of me).. He just sauntered in behind them and was then followed by several other cars doing the same, one of which, very close passed me to add insult..

What chance do you have when the authorities just so casually break the law and turn a blind eye to another 10 motorists doing the same:(

That's probably because he wasn't a "traffic" garda! Apparently you can break the law in front of any Gardaí (except the ones assigned to the type of crime you are committing) and they won't bother/aren't supposed to do anything about it.

07Lapierre

Lambay island wrote: »

Cycling into town via Clanbrassil St a short while ago. As usual, saw a few cars ahead of me driving in the bus lane. I then copped a Guard car moving into bus lane and was thinking great with blind optimism, he will pull a few of these in now surely..

UH UH..(How naive of me).. He just sauntered in behind them and was then followed by several other cars doing the same, one of which, very close passed me to add insult..

What chance do you have when the authorities just so casually break the law and turn a blind eye to another 10 motorists doing the same:(

I totally understand how you feel, but have you considered the possibility that the Gardai in question were on their way to a specific crime/event? we hear lots of people complaining that they called the gardai and they took ages to turn up or didn't turn up at all. Sometimes we all have to make judgement calls on whats more important.

xckjoo

07Lapierre wrote: »

I totally understand how you feel, but have you considered the possibility that the Gardai in question were on their way to a specific crime/event? we hear lots of people complaining that they called the gardai and they took ages to turn up or didn't turn up at all. Sometimes we all have to make judgement calls on whats more important.

I'm sure all the ones you see texting and driving are sending very important crime-related messages too

buffalo

QueenMTBee wrote: »

That's probably because he wasn't a "traffic" garda! Apparently you can break the law in front of any Gardaí (except the ones assigned to the type of crime you are committing) and they won't bother/aren't supposed to do anything about it.

Can I murder someone in front of a traffic Garda!?

"Hey, hey, you're not homicide, piss off with your handcuffs!"

07Lapierre

xckjoo wrote: »

I'm sure all the ones you see texting and driving are sending very important crime-related messages too

Maybe they were posting on boards.ie? I mean I would never use the internet while I’m at work! God no!

Lambay island

07Lapierre wrote: »

I totally understand how you feel, but have you considered the possibility that the Gardai in question were on their way to a specific crime/event? we hear lots of people complaining that they called the gardai and they took ages to turn up or didn't turn up at all. Sometimes we all have to make judgement calls on whats more important.

Ah yeh, its a possibility I suppose but I would like to think if they(passenger too) were going to a crime there would be a bit more urgency about them, even using sirens etc. I rolled up next to them some 2 mins later as they were stopped halfway on the ASL and ped crossing at the lights going right at Christchurch so they must have cut across two lanes to get there too. At this stage I just figured they were simply just ignorant.

07Lapierre

Lambay island wrote: »

Ah yeh, its a possibility I suppose but I would like to think if they(passenger too) were going to a crime there would be a bit more urgency about them, even using sirens etc. I rolled up next to them some 2 mins later as they were stopped halfway on the ASL and ped crossing at the lights going right at Christchurch so they must have cut across two lanes to get there too. At this stage I just figured they were simply just ignorant.

Example: they don't need Lights/sirens to go to/from the station/court etc. The real issue is that there are insufficient gardai. More gardai = greater enforcement of all laws.

Anyone remember when we had traffic wardens? They wore those awful Brown coats and their hats had a yellow band? Bring back traffic wardens to enforce traffic and parking laws!

Lambay island

What I found most intriguing is simply the amount of cars that just weighed in behind the Garda car in the bus lane. Thinking out loud here, Its not necessarily the guards fault if they are actually going to a crime or court but they are inadvertently implying driving here is not an issue if they are not using sirens etc

07Lapierre

Agreed! they should lead by example!

CramCycle

Lambay island wrote: »

What I found most intriguing is simply the amount of cars that just weighed in behind the Garda car in the bus lane. Thinking out loud here, Its not necessarily the guards fault if they are actually going to a crime or court but they are inadvertently implying driving here is not an issue if they are not using sirens etc

This is why I could never be a Garda. Lets say I was going to something else, so I ignore the people in front. The person behind me though, that is a lack of respect for the position they should hold in society. I would hop out of the car, car reg, license details, fine in the post.

CramCycle

First time in a long time, got buzzed by a motorbike this morning on the N11. His handlebar glove tipped my handlebar. Gave me a bit of a shock TBH

mr spuckler

I also had a motorbike skim past me this morning and had a taxi beeping at me for not cycling in the gutter.
I hadn't cycled into town via Amiens st in months, now I remember why.

average_runner

CramCycle wrote: »

This is why I could never be a Garda. Lets say I was going to something else, so I ignore the people in front. The person behind me though, that is a lack of respect for the position they should hold in society. I would hop out of the car, car reg, license details, fine in the post.

Bet you think twice when you see the paper work that involves!!!

If only we lived in the modern era

mr spuckler

average_runner wrote: »

Bet you think twice when you see the paper work that involves!!!

If only we lived in the modern era

yeah tbf I gave a statement recently related to a collision I posted here before Christmas. full 2 page hand-written statement, very specific detail around the chain of evidence etc, for what for them must be a relatively minor incident. I can only imagine the paperwork involved when things get more complicated / serious.

CramCycle

average_runner wrote: »

Bet you think twice when you see the paper work that involves!!!

If only we lived in the modern era

I 100% agree. The AMA with a garda here was a good insight into why so many just give up on the small things unless there is a promo week and they are forced by their super.

In most other modern countries, it is all automated, the Garda just punches in the license plate, driver details, contact address and hands them a ticket. Pay in 28 days or go to court, court is a far larger fine. Sin e.

Over here, it is like a college essay with so many get out clauses for the accused that I completely understand their frustration.

RacoonQueen

I've a short (25k) lap up into Enniskerry and Kiltiernan I do when I'm short on time / can't face another turbo / just wanna get out and spin the legs. Nearly every time I do this route...I will have about 5 'near misses' (sometimes many more). One of the most common ones, is a motorist overtaking a cyclist on other side of the road, literally right into my path (usually in nearly exact same spot, solid white line and on a bend). Yesterday's one gave me a bit of a shake.
Not making a sweeping generalisation here, but they are usually fancy expensive cars

This one route really makes me want to invest in a helmet cam.

Arcade_Tryer

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I've a short (25k) lap up into Enniskerry and Kiltiernan I do when I'm short on time / can't face another turbo / just wanna get out and spin the legs. Nearly every time I do this route...I will have about 5 'near misses' (sometimes many more). One of the most common ones, is a motorist overtaking a cyclist on other side of the road, literally right into my path (usually in nearly exact same spot, solid white line and on a bend). Yesterday's one gave me a bit of a shake.
Not making a sweeping generalisation here, but they are usually fancy expensive cars

This one route really makes me want to invest in a helmet cam.

In fairness, they usually have more important places to go than other people.

RacoonQueen

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

In fairness, they usually have more important places to go than other people.

Agreed. Especially early on a Sunday morning. I mean who is going to park half on a footpath, half on a road outside the church to inconvenience literally everyone else if they don't get there NOW.
But it's those cyclists causing havoc on the roads. Damn them. :mad:

average_runner

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Agreed. Especially early on a Sunday morning. I mean who is going to park half on a footpath, half on a road outside the church to inconvenience literally everyone else if they don't get there NOW.
But it's those cyclists causing havoc on the roads. Damn them. :mad:

But they are praying for your sins in the church!! God forgive those cyclists:D

Alanstrainor

One of mine from last week. I was taking a primary position due to the blind bend, this numpty decides to go for a pass anyway. Even with my horn blaring they push on. The mind boggles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AoRAZbj4O4

(Excuse the language)

Looking back, I should have moved to the left when I realised he was going for it. But honestly I was expecting him to slow and return behind. There was a large manhole to avoid and I couldn't quite believe it, but better to be safe than smushed on the road I suppose.

Hard to call who he was closest to there, you or the on coming car.