NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:17PM

I don't think Eir will walk away from handy cash that easy.

Gonzo · 31-01-2018 04:18PM

ezra_ wrote: »

Does this mean that FTTH lines that have begun but not yet completed will stall?

Or that no new work will commence?

Eir will finish the areas they have started work on. I've a feeling they will finish the majority of their 300k rollout, or hopefully all of it.

I'm also guessing that Eir will make an urban FTTH rollout announcement before December 2018 to fully concentrate back in familiar urban locations once the 300k rollout is finished.

dashoonage · 31-01-2018 04:19PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/eir-withdraws-from-government-s-broadband-scheme-1.3375213

The times saying the have quit.

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:21PM

BarryM wrote: »

Maybe, but I suspect the real reason is the ESB pays its owner, the Minister, a substantial "dividend" every year, in the millions. Smells of Dept of Finance meddling.
The really logical thing is that the ESB has a line into every house in the country, properly managed it could be providing a whole range of services. Admittedly it requires some tweaking but today's technology can provide that. OTOH they haven't even got anywhere with intelligent metering, which would save them millions.
Several turf battles I'd say, is the real reason, never mind the economic value to the country.

Could also be lack of technical expertise in the area to take on the project. But the market is theirs for the taking when you think about it.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 31-01-2018 04:25PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Eir will finish the areas they have started work on. I've a feeling they will finish the majority of their 300k rollout, or hopefully all of it.

I'm also guessing that Eir will make an urban FTTH rollout announcement before December 2018 to fully concentrate back in familiar urban locations once the 300k rollout is finished.

I would not be so sure that areas that may not yet have been started will now be completed. Obviously relations between the Department and eir have completely soured so they might just pay whatever paltry fine and abandon the 300K project completely.

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:25PM

dashoonage wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/eir-withdraws-from-government-s-broadband-scheme-1.3375213

The times saying the have quit.

Class. Wonder what will happen the 2nd half 2018 exchange areas now. Could be a different take on those now too like somebody posted on one of these threads last week.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 31-01-2018 04:26PM

turbbo wrote: »

Class. Wonder what will happen the 2nd half 2018 exchange areas now. Could be a different take on those now too like somebody posted on one of these threads last week.

See above. They may be for the chop I reckon.

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:26PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

I would not be so sure that areas that may not yet have been started will now be completed. Obviously relations between the Department and eir have completely soured so they might just pay whatever paltry fine and abandon the 300K project completely.

Absofu@kinglutely.

BarryM · 31-01-2018 04:31PM

turbbo wrote: »

BarryM wrote: »

Maybe, but I suspect the real reason is the ESB pays its owner, the Minister, a substantial "dividend" every year, in the millions. Smells of Dept of Finance meddling.
The really logical thing is that the ESB has a line into every house in the country, properly managed it could be providing a whole range of services. Admittedly it requires some tweaking but today's technology can provide that. OTOH they haven't even got anywhere with intelligent metering, which would save them millions.
Several turf battles I'd say, is the real reason, never mind the economic value to the country.

Could also be lack of technical expertise in the area to take on the project. But the market is theirs for the taking when you think about it.

IF they were interested they could a) take in partners with the knowhow and b) get on with upgrading the network.

TomOnBoard · 31-01-2018 04:33PM

Eir''s new owners have taken any further investment in rural broadband off the table. Future investment will be focused on improving urban services.

I'd say any area where there's already been considerable investment to service the 300000 households will probably be finished. However any other areas where investment has not begun will be long fingered unless it makes sense from their perspective as a means of shutting any other competition out.

The so-called National Broadband Plan is FUBAR no matter what steps are now taken by Government to react to this Eir announcement.

user1842 · 31-01-2018 04:35PM

Denis Naughten should now most certainly resign as Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment.

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:35PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Eir''s new owners have taken any further investment in rural broadband off the table. Future investment will be focused on improving urban services.

I'd say any area where there's already been considerable investment to service the 300000 households will probably be finished. However any other areas where investment has not begun will be long fingered unless it makes sense from their perspective as a means of shutting any other competition out.

The so-called National Broadband Plan is FUBAR no matter what steps are now taken by Government to react to this Eir announcement.

NBP was always FUBAR. This is progress in that we're all starting to see that.

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:37PM

user1842 wrote: »

Denis Naughten should now most certainly resign as Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment.

Him and all of the Dept. should get the sack too. Won't happen will it?

Johnboy1951 · 31-01-2018 04:39PM

dashoonage wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/eir-withdraws-from-government-s-broadband-scheme-1.3375213

The times saying the have quit.

Some of the same BS reporting ...

The Government’s controversial decision to allow Eir effectively remove 300,000 homes from the department’s original plan ...

(emphasis mine)

The Gov had no real choice in the matter and probably did well to get an agreement signed at all.

The remaining 450,000 homes are located in the hardest-to-reach places and will require a significantly bigger State subsidy.

Bigger than what?
Certainly not bigger than it would have been without the eir 300k being taken out.

Certainly a bigger average cost per premises because of spread of premises without the 300k ....... but no actual figures being quoted for us to compare, so we don't really know for sure if the overall cost will be bigger.

Speculation and guesswork presented as fact!

Gonzo · 31-01-2018 04:40PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

I would not be so sure that areas that may not yet have been started will now be completed. Obviously relations between the Department and eir have completely soured so they might just pay whatever paltry fine and abandon the 300K project completely.

I'm beginning to think your right. The rumours last week of Eir swapping rural homes for urban fringe homes could be based on the fact that they knew they were already quitting the NBP at that stage.

From now on they will only focus on speed/fibre upgrades to urban areas and the rural areas which already have FTTH in place.

Persiancowboy · 31-01-2018 04:41PM

If this is true then it’s a total disaster for rural areas. It also highlights the essential weakness in the department’s strategy from the start...a slavish almost servile attitude towards eir whereby the company has been allowed call most of the shots in the process to date. Eir has never been properly challenged on the long list of mostly false promises and commitments they have made...a thoroughly unprofessional and untrustworthy shower of bastards who have no regard for anyone except lining their own pockets (which the senior management did following the recent sale of the company).

Now we are left with enet...a classic case of last man standing. Meanwhile out in the wings the modest and low-profile Seán Bolger and Imagine are waiting patiently to swoop like vultures on what’s left. A truly great f**king day.

Johnboy1951 · 31-01-2018 04:42PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I'm beginning to think your right. The rumours last week of Eir swapping rural homes for urban fringe homes could be based on the fact that they knew they were already quitting the NBP at that stage.

From now on they will only focus on speed/fibre upgrades to urban areas and the rural areas which already have FTTH in place.

Beginning to look that way ...... awful sinking feeling here

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:43PM

Persiancowboy wrote: »

If this is true then it’s a total disaster for rural areas. It also highlights the essential weakness in the department’s strategy from the start...a slavish almost servile attitude towards eir whereby the company has been allowed call most of the shots in the process to date. Eir has never been properly challenged on the long list of mostly false promises and commitments they have made...a thoroughly unprofessional and untrustworthy shower of bastards who have no regard for anyone except lining their own pockets (which the senior management did following the recent sale of the company).

Now we are left with enet...a classic case of last man standing. Meanwhile out in the wings the modest and low-profile SeBolger and Imagine are waiting patiently to swoop like vultures on what’s left. A truly great f**king day.

Watch this space the Dept. and Naughten will be brown nosing Eir pretty soon to get them back in the tender.

purpleisafruit · 31-01-2018 04:43PM

I live in a rural village of about 100 premises. Large town is 4km away from me. Rural FTTH is being brought to about 1km from our village with the NBP supposed to take care of us. To hear that NBP may be dead is so disheartening.
1km of cabling will give fibre to the whole village and revitalise the area completely

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:45PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Beginning to look that way ...... awful sinking feeling here

I stopped giving a $hite years ago. I'm resigned to the fact I'll have a max 2.5mb connection as long as I live in this pox of a country.

plodder · 31-01-2018 04:45PM

Wouldn't be surprised if it's a row over timescales. Govt reflecting public desire to have it yesterday and Eir being more realistic. So maybe, it's not quite the bonanza for Eir that some were saying.

I still believe that sooner or later (albeit more likely later now) the entire country will be covered with fibre one way or another.

IT saying they have withdrawn.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/eir-withdraws-from-government-s-broadband-scheme-1.3375213

TomOnBoard · 31-01-2018 04:47PM

turbbo wrote: »

Him and all of the Dept. should get the sack too. Won't happen will it?

The Dept have simply been played by the big players for a looolong time, going back to O'Brien's winning the mobile licence in the 90s and the privatisation of Telecom Eireann when O'Rourke was jn charge. The Dept have proved incapable of providing strong telecoms leadership for decades. The NBP is simply another example of that.

Naughten is only the Dept's most recent puppet and would be an easy target for a resignation while the civil service mandarins with the real power and culpability will meet over their G&Ts to plan the next fiasco while they huff and puff about Eir having now followed ESB/Vodafone out of NBP.

Schorpio · 31-01-2018 04:48PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Some of the same BS reporting ...

The remaining 450,000 homes are located in the hardest-to-reach places and will require a significantly bigger State subsidy.

Statements like this grind my gears. Yes, there are some properly rural areas here, but I'm in the NBP and I'm located on the edge of Cork City about 1 mile away from existing fibre. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Hardest to reach you say?!

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:49PM

purpleisafruit wrote: »

I live in a rural village of about 100 premises. Large town is 4km away from me. Rural FTTH is being brought to about 1km from our village with the NBP supposed to take care of us. To hear that NBP may be dead is so disheartening.
1km of cabling will give fibre to the whole village and revitalise the area completely

it's a pure kicking! considering the cost is so little compared to what we squander on the HSE and other badly ran departments.

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:50PM

Schorpio wrote: »

Statements like this grind my gears. Yes, there are some properly rural areas here, but I'm in the NBP and I'm located on the edge of Cork City about 1 mile away from existing fibre. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Hardest to reach you say?!

Yup in the same boat and you'd swear that this was in anyway different that rolling out copper phone lines in the 60's - if anything it should be a lot easier now.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 31-01-2018 04:51PM

The Department are ploughing ahead with enet apparently.

https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/958727512611262464

https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/958727892292300800

purpleisafruit · 31-01-2018 04:52PM

Schorpio wrote: »

Statements like this grind my gears. Yes, there are some properly rural areas here, but I'm in the NBP and I'm located on the edge of Cork City about 1 mile away from existing fibre. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Hardest to reach you say?!

I'm about 10km from the city, I can understand the difficulty of running fibre to a place in the Black Valley or Bere Island or somewhere but within 20 mins of the 2nd city and no broadband other than wireless options.

turbbo · 31-01-2018 04:54PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

The Department are ploughing ahead with enet apparently.

https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/958727512611262464

https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/958727892292300800

Tender for 1 - only in ireland.

AngryGoldfish · 31-01-2018 04:55PM

I didn't have very high hopes for this actually coming to fruition. Actual broadband won't come to my area or the thousands of other areas in the country until the very last minute, which will likely be well beyond 2020. Only when it becomes laughable will anything be done. The tragic thing is, I'm willing to pay a lot for broadband, and I'd wager a few of us on my road and neighbouring roads would too. It's a compromise I'd be willing to make so that I could stay rural and not have to deal with being in an urban area.

shigllgetcha · 31-01-2018 04:56PM

I think its a shame that the only provider that was actually rolling out fibre to rural areas is out.

Whatever you think of Eir and their motives with 300k they have the experience and personnel in place to roll out the NBP.

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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