Are review sites like RT ruining movies ?

Arghus · 29-01-2018 09:06PM

If you're a young male under the age of 25 then IMDB ratings will suit you down to the ground - anyone else can forget about it.

Wailin · 29-01-2018 09:12PM

Arghus wrote: »

If you're a young male under the age of 25 then IMDB ratings will suit you down to the ground - anyone else can forget about it.

Yeah? Show me a movie rated on imdb that you disagree with and what rating you'd give it.

Arghus · 29-01-2018 10:06PM

Wailin wrote: »

Yeah? Show me a movie rated on imdb that you disagree with and what rating you'd give it.

In the top ten top rated movies of all time alone on the site we've got The Dark Knight, The Return of The King and Fight Club. All good films but amongst the ten greatest of all time? I respectfully disagree.

Inception the fourteenth greatest movie ever? Nah. The Matrix at eighteen? Interstellar at thirty - that's laughable if you ask me.

IMDB ratings reflect the viewing preferences of those who rate films on the site and a lot of young fellas rate films on the site. There's a heavy bias towards stuff they love.

Wailin · 29-01-2018 10:37PM

Arghus wrote: »

In the top ten top rated movies of all time alone on the site we've got The Dark Knight, The Return of The King and Fight Club. All good films but amongst the ten greatest of all time? I respectfully disagree.

Inception the fourteenth greatest movie ever? Nah. The Matrix at eighteen? Interstellar at thirty - that's laughable if you ask me.

IMDB ratings reflect the viewing preferences of those who rate films on the site and a lot of young fellas rate films on the site. There's a heavy bias towards stuff they love.

I wouldn't bother my arse looking at the top 100. Sure what's the point? Classic older movies will hardly get a review because IMDB is relatively recent. In the last ten years I would probably agree with the critics score on imdb, I generally ignore the user score cos you'll always have fanboys for the superhero movies etc.

Sad Professor · 29-01-2018 10:46PM

I hate those terrible CinemaSins et al videos and the kind of smarmy, mean-spiriited and brain-dead criticism which they encourage. Pure junk. They claim it's all satire but if so they should probably tell their fans. And look up the meaning of satire.

Greyfox · 30-01-2018 07:01PM

Personally I find IMDB to be a lot more accurate than RT, the main thing is that you use some website or reviewer you trust, I think these days with everyone having the internet I reckon only idiots watch a film without checking at least 1 review

30-01-2018 07:38PM

Greyfox wrote:

Personally I find IMDB to be a lot more accurate than RT, the main thing is that you use some website or reviewer you trust, I think these days with everyone having the internet I reckon only idiots watch a film without checking at least 1 review

If a film interests me I'll will try to go in as blind as possible, I won't read reviews of it or look at ratings. I think that basing what you watch on other peoples opinions is ridiculous. Plenty of great films have awful ratings while trash like Marvel get high rating.

Greyfox · 30-01-2018 11:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think that basing what you watch on other peoples opinions is ridiculous. Plenty of great films have awful ratings while trash like Marvel get high rating.

I think it's the only way of making sure you don't get stuck watching garbage. with reviews what your really doing is getting opinions and deciding wheter or not you value that opinion or not and from the review only then can you get a with sense of if it's for you or not. you can usually tell if the user review if written by an idiot. In fairness Marvel have produced some top quality films in recent times incl guardians of the galaxy and Logan, they have a good understanding of what works particularly how the use humour.

30-01-2018 11:16PM

Greyfox wrote:

I think it's the only way of making sure you don't get stuck watching garbage. with reviews what your really doing is getting opinions and deciding wheter or not you value that opinion or not and from the review only then can you get a with sense of if it's for you or not. you can usually tell if the user review if written by an idiot. In fairness Marvel have produced some top quality films in recent times incl guardians of the galaxy and Logan, they have a good understanding of what works particularly how the use humour.

I found Guardians to be meh and they had nothing to do with Logan. Now that Disney and Marvel has Logan after the Fox acquisition expect a return to kid friendly Wolverine. A trailer is the best indicator as to a film, plenty of great films get slates by critics and audience and some trash gets celebrated. I'd rather make up my own mind

briany · 30-01-2018 11:48PM

geraardo wrote: »

IMDB used to be much worse than it is now, thank god they got rid of their message boards that place was toxic, the amount of hate not just towards films but too each other was beyond belief.

Sure, if you only cared about new movies that were coming out. But, IMDB had a board for every single movie and TV show, virtually, in the history of either. And most of these boards were empty, but many more had normal people having reasonable discussions, because nobody's going on the Wings board or the Dr. Katz board to have a go. No-one's pushing their alt-right views on the Driving Miss Daisy board. They were medium-to-low traffic spaces that attracted no trolling or only the very odd one (in both senses of the word) and it's they that are the real loss. You can discuss the new stuff anywhere, but I'll be damned if I can find a decent active forum about Miracle Mile.

Greyfox · 31-01-2018 09:16AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A trailer is the best indicator as to a film

I don't know how anybody can think this as trailers can be misleading, it's very easy for a poor film to look good in a trailer for example a comedy where the only funny bits are in the trailer or a film that had a good initial plot which falls to pieces a half an hour in

david75 · 01-02-2018 02:38PM

Stupidity like this. Same crap with The Last Jedi. Why even bother?

Group Of DC Fans Attempting to Sabotage 'Black Panther's Rotten Tomatoes Audience Score

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/02/01/black-panther-dc-fans-rotten-tomatoes-sabotage-campaign/

dr.fuzzenstein · 02-02-2018 10:03AM

Last night I watched Bram Stoker's Dracula on Netflix. It is one of my favourite movies.
One can certainly say it has an unforgettable style, a great cast (despite dodgy accents from Keanu and Winona

), stunning visuals and anyone not moved by Gary Oldman's performance should check their pulse.
Of course not everyone will like it, but what grinds my gears is the fact that the positive reviewers will alway try to portray a balanced view of a movie and highlighting it's good and bad points, giving scores between 7 and 9 and sometimes 10 for the movie.
The negative reviewers have no such interests. All they want to do is piss on it. So you get pages and pages of ranting, foam at the mouth 1 star reviews. And they are all solid 1 star. None of them will try to find anything positive, they wouldn't give it 3-5 points for the good points, it's pretty much 1 star solid. And (as illustrated by the above post) it seems that there are armies of trolls, morons and halfwits out there whose goal is to find movies and bring them down. I am just appalled by the sheer nastiness of it all. This to me proves once again that the internet has brought out all the worst in humanity with wall to wall spamming, trolling and a tidal wave of bot-comments to derail any open debate.
Sadly this does have the effect that the score of a movie invariably suffers. It also has the effect (as seen in the demise of IMDB's discussion boards) that having any kind of open forum will be completely impossible in the future, because I'm pretty sure that any such platform will become completely unusable due to mountains of spam and hate flooding it until it is shut down.

I will leave you with this gem of a review by an utter troll and moron called nico_jones
Need I even say it's a 1 star review...

I must be missing something here, as this is easily one of the most shockingly terrible, tear-my-eyes-out-so-I-don't-have-to-see-it, train wreck mess of an excuse for a film that I have ever had the severe misfortune to bear witness to. I am sitting here in my living room literally unable to come to terms with how execrable this 'film'was.

How anyone can think this is good is quite beyond me. A few points: -The look of the film is not 'grandiose' or 'lush', it is crap. The effects are crap, the sets are crap. It's just a royal glut of crapness from start to finish.

-Every cast member excerpt Gary Oldman turns in a career-worst performance par excellence.

-Calling it 'Bram Stoker's Dracula' is an exercise bordering on the farcical. This film should be called 'Francis Ford Coppola's unashamed molestation of Dracula, aided and abetted by the most staggeringly inept fake English accents ever committed to celluloid'.

Keanu Reeves' English accent is (deep breath) worse, yes WORSE than Dick Van Dyke's horrific cockney aberration from Mary Poppins. This in itself is quite an achievement and almost makes the film worth watching. Actually, no it doesn't.

To sum up, by all that you hold dear do not watch this film. Spend two hours removing your skin with a power-sander then have a salt bath. It will be a less painful experience. I bid you good day.

TL/DR:
This is why we can't have nice things

david75 · 02-02-2018 09:39PM

LIstening to w podcast yesterday and one of the guest hosts was actually a content editor at RT and she said she got the job back in 2012 simply by having her own movie podcast and leaving reviews for. Everything. All over the place and apparently this is actually a thing still where every dope with a keyboard thinks he’s the new Siskel / Ebert and all trying to make a name for themselves.
The zeitgeist now happens to be ‘everything is sh!t so attack it before everyone else does’ to get out in front of the baying crowd before it happens. You actually get followers and build s base this way.

Literally everything is upside down these days.

HandsomeBob · 03-02-2018 11:35AM

I think it's social media in general and not just RT. People hate to be a lone voice and social media cranks up that fear no end as one dissenting comment can open you up to a ton of abuse. So people toe the line for fear of being ostracized.

I see it in work all the time where people repeat the same tired criticisms of a film and it becomes obvious that they either haven't watched the film and are repeating those witty/withering opinions they read online, or will merely describe a film as alright in spite of betraying themselves by speaking enthusiastically about a film.

tigger123 · 03-02-2018 11:56AM

Online discussion is mostly text based, so the only way to draw attention and stand out from the crowd is to dial up the vitriol and be completely OTT

Bowlardo · 03-02-2018 12:07PM

I think the imdb top 250 is pretty on point. RT is a bit meh to be honest. I generally watch a film before forming my own opinion .

One thing for certain was that the last jedi was dreadful. The kids enjoyed it so that is the main thing but there is certainly a decline in the standard of movie making in recent years you only have to looks back of the history nominations for best movies to see a steady decline.

tigger123 · 03-02-2018 12:10PM

Bowlardo wrote: »

I think the imdb top 250 is pretty on point. RT is a bit meh to be honest. I generally watch a film before forming my own opinion .

One thing for certain was that the last jedi was dreadful. The kids enjoyed it so that is the main thing but there is certainly a decline in the standard of movie making in recent years you only have to looks back of the history nominations for best movies to see a steady decline.

Does that not point to a problem with the Oscar nominations process though, rather than the quality of films? Shakespeare in Love won 7 Oscars.

s7ryf3925pivug · 03-02-2018 12:30PM

Review sites are useful. You dont have to use them. Personally I'm good enough at recogbising when I might like an unpopular film or dislike a popular ones. Unpopular films I liked include Pandorum, Monsters, The Devil's Rejects.

There are plenty of great films I would never have heard of without review sites. For example Kynodontas and The Hunt.

pixelburp · 03-02-2018 01:03PM

It's worth pointing out, if it hasn't already, that these aggregator sites are even poisoning the workplace now: specifically in the video-game industry, it's now not uncommon that employees' contracts be directly linked to the eventual Metacritic score of the final release. Maybe since the bad publicity it generated it has been abandoned by HR depts, but many professional artists, programmers etc. have lost out on vital bonuses and baseline payouts because the game they were working on had an 84% average score instead of a 85%.

tigger123 · 03-02-2018 01:30PM

pixelburp wrote: »

It's worth pointing out, if it hasn't already, that these aggregator sites are even poisoning the workplace now: specifically in the video-game industry, it's now not uncommon that employees' contracts be directly linked to the eventual Metacritic score of the final release. Maybe since the bad publicity it generated it has been abandoned by HR depts, but many professional artists, programmers etc. have lost out on vital bonuses and baseline payouts because the game they were working on had an 84% average score instead of a 85%.

Jesus, that's grim.

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