Al Porter Scandal

Ash.J.Williams · 28-01-2018 11:24PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People should note that the hospital incident is just one of multiple allegations and apparently some of them involve verifiable evidence such as text messages and witnesses to the allegations.

The texts that were leaked were just a lad looking for his hole were they not? Hardly "allegations"

Ursus Horribilis · 28-01-2018 11:25PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

People should note that the hospital incident is just one of multiple allegations and apparently some of them involve verifiable evidence such as text messages and witnesses to the allegations.

If this is true, it should be brought to trial. This is the side of #MeToo and Trial by Social Media that I'm uneasy about. If Porter happens to be innocent of the allegations being made against him, it'd be a travesty if he loses everything. If he has done something(s) wrong, it should be brought through the correct channels and he should be treated accordingly.

_Brian · 28-01-2018 11:34PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Even without these allegations going legal, his career is in tatters and likely to remain so.

I really hope so.
This guy has just about enough talent to stack shelves in Aldi, any less and he’s be the guy collecting trollies.

blade1 · 28-01-2018 11:39PM

_Brian wrote: »

I really hope so.
This guy has just about enough talent to stack shelves in Aldi, any less and he’s be the guy collecting trollies.

Hey, there's no need for a low blow like that!
If I worked in Aldi, I'd be seething right now!:D

_Brian · 28-01-2018 11:41PM

blade1 wrote: »

Hey, there's no need for a low blow like that!
If I worked in Aldi, I'd be seething right now!:D

I was just thinking how unfair I’d been to those guys.

Beechwoodspark · 28-01-2018 11:48PM

And also some of the allegations involved Porter contacting persons he met through his position at Today FM, extremely inappropriate sexual messages bordering on blackmail etc. These allegations were investigated by his employer and resulted in Al leaving the station.

Beechwoodspark · 28-01-2018 11:50PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

The texts that were leaked were just a lad looking for his hole were they not? Hardly "allegations"

Don’t know. Didn’t see the texts. Something about drug use was mentioned along with the inappropriate sexual content

ButtersSuki · 28-01-2018 11:58PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Use your words dude

Was on the phone and couldn't be arsed typing a longer reply.

FYI, the reason there hasn't been any prosecutions on this case yet is the Gardai are still investigating. A case like this could take years to come to court; it's been a few months since the allegations were first aired.

king_of_inismac · 28-01-2018 11:59PM

_Brian wrote: »

I really hope so.
This guy has just about enough talent to stack shelves in Aldi, any less and he’s be the guy collecting trollies.

You may not like his show/style, but that doesn't make him guilty of sexual assault.

We've spent the last 100 years taking away "judge and jury" powers from the Catholic Church; lets not now hand that power over to the media.

Let the guy have his trial. Until then he's innocent. Thats a cornerstone of modern legal systems. Convicting a man based on media reports is not something I like to see.

ButtersSuki · 28-01-2018 11:59PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

If this is true, it should be brought to trial. This is the side of #MeToo and Trial by Social Media that I'm uneasy about. If Porter happens to be innocent of the allegations being made against him, it'd be a travesty if he loses everything. If he has done something(s) wrong, it should be brought through the correct channels and he should be treated accordingly.

Are you suggesting each and every one of the people who have made allegations against him are making it up? He's already come out with a half-baked and half-arsed apology - he's definitely done something.

Btw, have you seen the texts?

ButtersSuki · 29-01-2018 12:02AM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

All the accusations are all alleged though. Why hav'nt they gone to the gaurds or why hav'nt HSE followed protocol?
I think Al's silence is deafening but i dont agree with all the trial by media.

Numerous people have.

Army_of_One · 29-01-2018 12:03AM

Has he been charged with anything?

Surely this has to go beyond gossip and lead to charges.

Ursus Horribilis · 29-01-2018 12:06AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Are you suggesting each and every one of the people who have made allegations against him are making it up? He's already come out with a half-baked and half-arsed apology - he's definitely done something.

Btw, have you seen the texts?

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Far from it. But I am uneasy about these allegations being out there in the public domain and nothing being done about them in terms of our legal system. If Porter has done what he has been accused of doing, it should go further. So far all we have to show is gossip and allegations which may or may not be true. How am I, as a random punter, to know for sure who is telling the truth?
My concern is that someone's life (not necessarily Porter's) could be utterly destroyed by unfounded and untrue allegations.

ButtersSuki · 29-01-2018 12:43AM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Far from it. But I am uneasy about these allegations being out there in the public domain and nothing being done about them in terms of our legal system. If Porter has done what he has been accused of doing, it should go further. So far all we have to show is gossip and allegations which may or may not be true. How am I, as a random punter, to know for sure who is telling the truth?
My concern is that someone's life (not necessarily Porter's) could be utterly destroyed by unfounded and untrue allegations.

It is/they are currently being investigated. Next step is a case to be put together. It will likely take 18+months at least before this happens given how the legal system in this country operates. For a comparative example: the man jailed last week for shall we say "interfering" with minors was discovered in 2016 (from memory, apologies if that's incorrect and I'm not in the mood nor do I have the energy to check it right now). These things take time.

I'm not sure what you're expecting? Allegations come out in November and jail or cleared before Christmas?

ButtersSuki · 29-01-2018 12:45AM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Far from it. But I am uneasy about these allegations being out there in the public domain and nothing being done about them in terms of our legal system. If Porter has done what he has been accused of doing, it should go further. So far all we have to show is gossip and allegations which may or may not be true. How am I, as a random punter, to know for sure who is telling the truth?
My concern is that someone's life (not necessarily Porter's) could be utterly destroyed by unfounded and untrue allegations.

Did you read his apology?

He's admitted that some things happened and to more than one person, and tried to brush it off as a misunderstanding due to his "outrageous personality" (actual quote).

Ursus Horribilis · 29-01-2018 12:46AM

Thank you for explaining how our criminal system works. I'd never have figured it out by myself.

Ursus Horribilis · 29-01-2018 12:51AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Did you read his apology?

He's admitted that some things happened and to more than one person, and tried to brush it off as a misunderstanding due to his "outrageous personality" (actual quote).

I am not defending him, despite what you think. For what it's worth I believe the allegations that he is a sleazebag. I've seen the "apology" and the various allegations.

The point I appear to have made an utter hames of making is this: we have the man hanged, drawn and quartered before any legal proceedings have begun. All this talk of texts, groping allegations etc. are out in the public domain. I hope each and every one is genuine for everyone's sake. It now looks like all you need to destroy anyone (not Porter) is a few allegations on Social Media.

ButtersSuki · 29-01-2018 01:02AM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Thank you for explaining how our criminal system works. I'd never have figured it out by myself.

Wow, sarcasm. :rolleyes:

Given your posts I felt you needed to have it explained to you tbh.

ButtersSuki · 29-01-2018 01:05AM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. Far from it. But I am uneasy about these allegations being out there in the public domain and nothing being done about them in terms of our legal system. If Porter has done what he has been accused of doing, it should go further. So far all we have to show is gossip and allegations which may or may not be true. How am I, as a random punter, to know for sure who is telling the truth?
My concern is that someone's life (not necessarily Porter's) could be utterly destroyed by unfounded and untrue allegations.

I explained that was not the case and then you pass a sarcastic remark about your understanding of the legal system. There's a bit of a contradiction there.

I'm going to bed so won't be able to reply any further tonight.

Ash.J.Williams · 29-01-2018 01:27AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Don’t know. Didn’t see the texts. Something about drug use was mentioned along with the inappropriate sexual content

that's taking nanny state to a new level.

i'm not aware of porters legal situation, but if you were to jail everyone that has texted a potential booty call informing them they have coke and want to party in a sexy manner then you'll be jailing half the country. In this case the love was unrequented and denied. It was after the allegations were public that the texts were released merely adding fuel to the situation. (as far as i know)

Beechwoodspark · 29-01-2018 10:06AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

that's taking nanny state to a new level.

i'm not aware of porters legal situation, but if you were to jail everyone that has texted a potential booty call informing them they have coke and want to party in a sexy manner then you'll be jailing half the country. In this case the love was unrequented and denied. It was after the allegations were public that the texts were released merely adding fuel to the situation. (as far as i know)

Who says he will be jailed?

His career being wrecked is a totally diff matter to whether he will be convicted and given a custodial sentence.

PopTarts · 26-02-2018 08:31AM

He’s back on Social Media .. his personal Facebook but of course he uploaded a picture and made it public.

Might be testing the waters.

A lot of commenters commenting and supporting him.

If this was a man who had (been accused of) abused / sexually assaulted / harassed a woman he’d be vilified.

It’s disappointing people are quick to sweep the accusations under the rug.

Grayditch · 26-02-2018 01:02PM

All I ask is that Al Porter be judged FAIRLY and HONESTLY on his TALENT.

I mean, that should be the end of him then.

LollipopJimmy · 26-02-2018 01:04PM

Just had a quick look. Serious level of support he has, I know innocent until proven guilty and all that but sweet jebus

_Brian · 26-02-2018 01:09PM

Sadly in this day and age people are more interested in cheap sleazy “comedy” than holding public figures to any standard.

Roger Hassenforder · 26-02-2018 01:23PM

_Brian wrote: »

Sadly in this day and age people are more interested in cheap sleazy “comedy” than holding public figures to any standard.

Depends on the figure.

The baying twitteratti mob ousted Meyers and Hook for mere words, notwithstanding Porter hasnt been convicted of anything, his behaviour is unacceptable.
Funny though, theyre all white males, is there something im missing re different standards.

26-02-2018 01:23PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Just had a quick look. Serious level of support he has, I know innocent until proven guilty and all that but sweet jebus

With regards to the allegation of assualt in the hospital it's statuory for all such incidents to be reported to the Gardai and other authoroties.

At the point we don't know if that has been done, if it has not then Porter is well entitled to be viewed as innocent in this regard.

weldoninhio · 26-02-2018 01:37PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Depends on the figure.

The baying twitteratti mob ousted Meyers and Hook for mere words, notwithstanding Porter hasnt been convicted of anything, his behaviour is unacceptable.
Funny though, theyre all white males, is there something im missing re different standards.

Hook spoke about women. Can't do that.

All of Al's alleged victims were straight white males. The only group you'd get away with groping/sexually assaulting.

pilly · 26-02-2018 02:30PM

weldoninhio wrote:

All of Al's alleged victims were straight white males. The only group you'd get away with groping/sexually assaulting.

Here we go.

pilly · 26-02-2018 02:31PM

weldoninhio wrote:

All of Al's alleged victims were straight white males. The only group you'd get away with groping/sexually assaulting.

Here we go.

Al Porter Scandal

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