It's begun - Dublin's Scientology Center enticing toddlers & parents

Pawwed Rig · 28-01-2018 07:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Eh, they ARE targeting children

Didn't say they weren't. Like any religion they want to get people in early when they are open to manipulation. Generally in playgrounds kids are with their parents.

When the only schools available in an area are scientologist then there will be a problem.

28-01-2018 08:01PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

When the only schools available in an area are scientologist then there will be a problem.

That's a bit of a passive attitude.

They're already trying to infiltrate schools with their literature- again, targeting kids. Thankfully in this case the teacher spotted their game.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/how-scientology-is-trying-to-insert-itself-into-irish-schools-1.3327646

The material came from an organisation called Youth for Human Rights, one of about 500 organisations operating internationally that are widely regarded as front groups for the Church of Scientology. The Dublin teacher was familiar with the group, having previously taught his class a module on Scientology. He had even used some of the organisation’s own material to illustrate how it operates.
“I was pretty savvy, just because I was aware of it in the past. But, as a teacher, the resource packs are really, really good. I would be afraid that a young, naive teacher would be taken in. “You’re grappling for resources, and when you’re teaching the topic of human rights, which falls into so many different subjects, you would think it’s fantastic.”

Gatling · 28-01-2018 08:02PM

The hysteria around them here is bordering on comical at this stage

The_Valeyard · 28-01-2018 08:02PM

With so many people having left the RCC over the disgusting pedo coverups, i think Scienconology believe they can grab some of those disillusioned people into their ranks.

They are far from harmless, waiting for their time to strike. A handmaids tale in waiting.

kneemos · 28-01-2018 08:02PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Didn't say they weren't. Like any religion they want to get people in early when they are open to manipulation. Generally in playgrounds kids are with their parents.

When the only schools available in an area are scientologist then there will be a problem.

Looks like we have ourselves a Scientology PR conscript.

28-01-2018 08:05PM

Gatling wrote: »

The hysteria around them here is bordering on comical at this stage

I see no hysteria on this thread. I'm just posting facts about them relating to Ireland that people may be interested to read, as this is an Irish based discussion forum.

Cabaal · 28-01-2018 08:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Scientology is not recognised as a religion in Ireland.

They'll lobby revenue, government etc to be considered one in time though so they can get charity status to avoid tax,
Just like they campaigned against the IRS in the USA,

Grahamer666 · 28-01-2018 08:09PM

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28-01-2018 08:13PM

Cabaal wrote: »

They'll lobby revenue, government etc to be considered one in time though so they can get charity status to avoid tax,
Just like they campaigned against the IRS in the USA,

That's why they're based beside Leinster House.

they will, but I don't think they'll be successful.

However, considering they are recognised in Portugal, Czech Republic and the UK but classed as a cult in France and unresolved in Germany, there might be a case to the European Court of Human Rights yet- but that would bring so much bad publicity I don't think they'll go that far.

Interestingly in some countries, some courts have recognised them as a religion and others haven't

Berserker · 28-01-2018 08:20PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

When the only schools available in an area are scientologist then there will be a problem.

Why wait until then?

Cabaal wrote: »

Just like they campaigned against the IRS in the USA,

The didn't lobby the IRS. They got all their members to file lawsuits against them and the IRS gave them charitable status to get them off their backs. It was an onslaught of lawsuits.

Snowseer · 28-01-2018 08:24PM

Can't abide these guys. Remember they used to have a setup on O'Connell Street near a bus stop. Invited myself and my friend up twice when we were both just 14. First time was just a chat. Second time, we were invited to take a stress test.

Being 14 year olds in the city, we were interested in anything different. Judgment wasn't great - so fair play for these guys to promote asking kids to come up to some private room.

The second time - with the stress test - the guy told me that I was stressed about my dad. He said that I should speak to him, instead of my dad. That home life isn't the most important thing.

Dangerous individuals.

28-01-2018 08:31PM

Snowseer wrote: »

Can't abide these guys. Remember they used to have a setup on O'Connell Street near a bus stop. Invited myself and my friend up twice when we were both just 14. First time was just a chat. Second time, we were invited to take a stress test.

Being 14 year olds in the city, we were interested in anything different. Judgment wasn't great - so fair play for these guys to promote asking kids to come up to some private room.

The second time - with the stress test - the guy told me that I was stressed about my dad. He said that I should speak to him, instead of my dad. That home life isn't the most important thing.

Dangerous individuals.

Got "tested" at their centre as a student in Abbey st many moons ago. I knew even back then what they were about. I had time on my hands and was curious to know how they went about things. So yep, same thing, brought me upstairs and asked me to do their written "test". I put a false name and address at the start and completed the test - the wording of the test BTW is worded in such a way that no matter what way you answer it, they'll find fault with how you've responded- it's a bullsh1t test designed to rope you in to their money making racket.

They started recommending some "courses" to me and I told them I had no money- I was a poor student.

They lost interest in me and I walked out- they mustn't have covered objection handling in their sales course.

Pawwed Rig · 29-01-2018 05:33AM

kneemos wrote: »

Looks like we have ourselves a Scientology PR conscript.

Huh??

The point is their 'religion' is nonsense but no more nonsense than most other religions.

Irish Guitarist · 29-01-2018 06:52AM

This thread will go on ad infinitum with people saying "it sounds like a religion to me" and "all religions are based on greed" or some bollocks. The fact is that actual religions, even if they later become corrupted, are at least founded on a belief in a higher power. Scientology started off being called "Dianetics" and there was nothing religious about it. It was a self help book.

L. Ron Hubbard later threw some sci-fi bullshit in there and called it a religion so as to get tax breaks and so that if the authorities investigated his organisation he could claim they were interfering with his religious freedom.

They don't commit terrorist acts for the simple reason that they're a business who don't actually believe in anything other than increasing their wealth.

I'd like to see the people that say "it's the same as any other religion" name just one major religion that wasn't founded on the belief in a higher power.

29-01-2018 07:11AM

I've read a lot about Scientology and Hubbard.. Depressing stuff.

The only good thing to ever come out of Scientology is the comical whitewashing of his life story.

http://www.lronhubbard.org

I really recommend watching it, especially if you already know how pathetic he really was.

Master of the Omniverse · 29-01-2018 09:37AM

So let me see,they seem particularly interested in children.Ffs.Does anybody here think they are a truly benevolent organisation?It just shows what a bunch of ****in tossers our gov.is by allowing them so much freedom over here,when they have caused so many problems worldwide.

Master of the Omniverse · 29-01-2018 09:38AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've read a lot about Scientology and Hubbard.. Depressing stuff.

The only good thing to ever come out of Scientology is the comical whitewashing of his life story.

http://www.lronhubbard.org

I really recommend watching it, especially if you already know how pathetic he really was.

I think theres alot more to hubbard than people would ever imagine.

29-01-2018 09:56AM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I'd like to see the people that say "it's the same as any other religion" name just one major religion that wasn't founded on the belief in a higher power.

Buddhism

29-01-2018 09:59AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Buddhism

And Conficianism I think.

Reati · 29-01-2018 09:59AM

Doltanian wrote: »

It is much more deserving of Religious status than other Religions which should be outlawed for what they really are State-Terrorism.

You clearly know nothing of what goes on in Scientology so.

Reati · 29-01-2018 10:04AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They're going further than that- they have their Irish Headquarters across the road from Leinster House- it's a full-on assault to penetrate the Irish Religious market and pedal their bullsh1te to anyone who has the money and/or vulnerability to sign-up.

They have been trying to crack the market here for a long time and been rumored to be failing with bail out money from other centers keeping them going. I wonder what has changed to usher in all this new interest and funding. Even Miscavage left Goldbase and was here to launch these new buildings. That in itself is quite the statement.

conor2469 · 29-01-2018 10:09AM

Doltanian wrote: »

One is a weird relatively harmless Religion and the other is homophobic misogynistic terrorism masquerading as a genuine Religion and defended to the death by the hard-left politically correct marxist types, that cartoon sums it up perfectly.

You must have missed the part about Scientology forcing its members to get abortions and how its founder was extremely homophobic, regarding homosexuality as a mental illness.

29-01-2018 10:43AM

The Hole in Goldbase.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hole_(Scientology)

Revolting subhuman pieces of shlt.

ohnonotgmail · 29-01-2018 11:47AM

conor2469 wrote: »

You must have missed the part about Scientology forcing its members to get abortions and how its founder was extremely homophobic, regarding homosexuality as a mental illness.

or the whole keeping it members captive and starving them to death. The scientologists, a great bunch of lads.

suicide_circus · 29-01-2018 11:49AM

Agricola · 29-01-2018 12:16PM

I'm not a bit surprised this 'religion' was invented in and took off in America. A lot of gullible people there who's first thought is never to question the salesman about his snake oil. How they think it will get traction here I don't know.

29-01-2018 12:22PM

Agricola wrote: »

I'm not a bit surprised this 'religion' was invented in and took off in America. A lot of gullible people there who's first thought is never to question the salesman about his snake oil. How they think it will get traction here I don't know.

Well I suppose it could all start with people bringing their children to the Christmas fun fair at the Church of Scientology and “Community Centre” in Firhouse

valoren · 29-01-2018 12:29PM

The modus operandi of this cult is to ensnare you under the guise of helping you with your personal problems. Any cult worth it's salt uses a powerful psychological manipulation. You go in to one of their audit sessions ostensibly to talk about your problems, you are encouraged to be truthful and to be as open as possible.

While you think you are getting things off your chest to a trustworthy listener who can possibly help what is actually happening is that they are recording and noting everything you say and the more personal the information you give the more powerful the subsequent manipulation becomes. They effectively want you to tell them something they can use to blackmail you with should you join them and with which they can use to prevent you from leaving should you subsequently wish to. The old cliche in Hollywood for example being that the macho men like Cruise and Travolta are actually gay and they only stay invlolved with these vipers because they've been threatened with 'exposure' to that end which would realistically ruin their careers, which were built on a false image of being straight, action heros.

It works something like this. You are 16 and you happened to get caught shoplifting when you were 12. You were young and stupid. You go along to one of their sessions. During an audit session, you're asked about your past. You mention the shop lifting charge in passing without thinking about it again. You like it and continue going and reach the point where it becomes a social thing for you. You don't care for the weirdness of it, you've made friends there. You've signed up, you're a 'Scientlogist' but not really bothered, it's something to do. Over the next few years, you want to get out. You've had enough, you've matured and think it's all a load of bolloxology. To this cult you are now a threat. To protect themselves, you are threatened with exposure as a criminal, with blackmail about destroying your reputation, you are told face to face your career prospects will be destroyed when it becomes known you're a thief, a liar, a robber, an untrustworthy person. They say they will stalk you and approach any company you apply for and provide statements to that end. You are shocked, scared. The manipulation which happened years earlier is now used to keep you in check. You leave and there might be consequences in doing so, all because you placed a little faith in a group of very dangerous individuals whose only real goal and intentions were to strip you down for any scrape of cash they could get from you.

Grahamer666 · 29-01-2018 12:32PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Posted that yesterday and it was deleted. Maybe the mod is one of them.

Boom_Bap · 29-01-2018 12:45PM

Grahamer666 wrote: »

Posted that yesterday and it was deleted. Maybe the mod is one of them.

Nope, it hasn't been edit or deleted by anyone. You just used a bandy link

It's begun - Dublin's Scientology Center enticing toddlers & parents

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