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Pubs to open on Good Friday

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  • #242
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I think if the law was loosened that the majority of pubs would not be open anyway.
    urs.

    You think any business man will pass up the chance?


  • #243
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭valoren


    The annoyance was never really about not being able to have a drink, but the complete and total ban on selling alcohol for solely religious reasons. Spoiler: Not everyone is religious and to have laws foisted on them has always been the bug bear.

    Now that the ban is lifted, those who are of a religious persuasion can abstain as is want while everyone else can carry on as normal. Common sense prevails.


  • #244
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Rose Ashy Rigging wrote: »
    Did you read ShooterSF's post?

    Yes.

    Perhaps we should compel all businesses to close for one day a year so the staff can go on a jolly-up together.


  • #245
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Rose Ashy Rigging wrote:
    The origin of celebrating Christmas Day is now lost on many people, but that doesn't mean Christmas has been scrapped. Many traditions originated due to religious belief and continue to be upheld by those who no longer have that belief.


    Nobody is calling for good Friday to be scrapped. The point is now you have choice.

    Choice is only a good thing.

    As for tradition. That's a word used by people who don't like change.

    Religious beliefs have no place in the tone of law.


  • #246
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    Rose Ashy Rigging wrote:
    I suppose it's the way some people got so worked up about it I find hard to understand, instead of just rolling their eyes and opening a bottle of wine at home.


    I don't drink at home. Never have. Why should I do it to appease your religious beliefs?


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  • #247
    beertons
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Apparently it's tradition in some parts of the country for publicans to paint their pubs on Good Friday.

    Have to do it on xmas day now.

    Same with getting the carpets redone.


  • #248
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    beertons wrote:
    Same with getting the carpets redone.

    Pubs can still close if they want. I know many pubs who don't open every day anyway. Some pubs don't open until evening no. Some pubs open only for a few hours on the morning in fact.

    Choice!


  • #249
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    GritBiscuit wrote: »
    Apathy doesn't change laws...if you want to elicit change and forge the kind of society you want to live in and your kids to live in rather than meekly doffing the cap to previous generations, eye rolling isn't going to do it...unfortunately. :)

    I agree there needs to be change as regards the church and its influence - I just think are bigger problems regarding the Church to worry about than not being able to get to the pub one night of the year.

    As the other poster says it’s how worked up people get over it that is hard to understand.


  • #250
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    What do other businesses do when they want bot clean the place nor get the carpets redone???

    I mean FFS the excuses by the traditionalists are pathetic


  • #251
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    I dont know what all the complaining is about no one is going to force anyone to go into a pub on good Fiday if they dont want to but the same courtesy needs to be extended to those that do its all about choice you see.


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  • #252
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    AudreyHepburn wrote:
    As the other poster says it’s how worked up people get over it that is hard to understand.


    Then why are people getting so worked up about wanting to keep the bars closed?

    The only thing that changes is people who wanna go to the bar can. The ones who don't won't.


  • #253
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    Mr.H wrote: »
    Then why are people getting so worked up about wanting to keep the bars closed?

    The only thing that changes is people who wanna go to the bar can. The ones who don't won't.

    I'm not worked up about it. If pubs are going to be open on Good Friday fine. It's all the angst around it, people making a point of having parties on Good Friday or stocking up on extra alcohol or going out of their way to find places that would serve them that I never really understood.
    It was a minor inconvenience to most people, but it was made into this big thing. And now some people are acting as if it's a great blow for freedom and democracy that the pubs will now be opening on Good Friday. It just seems a bit senseless and childish.


  • #254
    A Disgrace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭A Disgrace


    It’s hilarious how many people here seem to think that this ban was lifted simply as a F-You to religion and because we’ve now a progressive, secular Ireland and no longer shackled to the church

    Certainly, we’re getting there, but the real truth is that it was done to appease the Publican lobby groups. The irony of a State, who wants to introduce a minimum unit price on alcohol and hide it behind curtains in shops, actually lifting a one-day drink ban, with no public pressure, is amazing.

    It was lifted purely because Easter Thursday is easily the busiest day of the year for Off-Licences, and the Publicans simply weren’t happy with that. Tourism? Firstly, have you guys seen how much a tourist drinks – and besides, most tourists stay in hotels. You were always able to get drinks on Good Friday (with a meal) in a hotel.

    The net result of all of this is that over the next couple of years, Good Friday will become a normal Friday and anyone who previously enjoyed an unofficial day off work or whatever, will probably be expected to work. And yeah, we can all still have house parties and get the beers in, but honestly, we can do that any time now, so why bother doing it on Good Friday? The charm of it was that we had no choice, and there was an excited panic about it in the days beforehand. It was a bit of fun, a bit of tradition.

    That’s all gone, but most galling, the Publicans win again.


  • #255
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Yes.

    Perhaps we should compel all businesses to close for one day a year so the staff can go on a jolly-up together.

    So abolish bank holidays?


  • #256
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    So abolish bank holidays?

    Did I say that? Loads of businesses are open on bank holidays. No one is compelled to close.


  • #257
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    splinter65 wrote: »
    For a lot of public servants Dec 8 was and continues to be yet another extra days annual leave.
    A day to get your Christmas shopping.
    My brother a public servant retired there at 55 last year and he still got it, but he was still getting an hour off per week to cash his pay Cheque too, despite being paid monthly by electronic transfer.

    The hour to cash your cheque is long gone over 5 years. Since I started in Revenue we never got the 6th or 8th whichever it was off as an extra day (except teachers if kids off). We used to get day after st. Stephens day but noþ anymore. I started in 2007. Never got cheque time


  • #258
    [Deleted User]
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    A Disgrace wrote: »
    It’s hilarious how many people here seem to think that this ban was lifted simply as a F-You to religion and because we’ve now a progressive, secular Ireland and no longer shackled to the church

    Certainly, we’re getting there, but the real truth is that it was done to appease the Publican lobby groups. The irony of a State, who wants to introduce a minimum unit price on alcohol and hide it behind curtains in shops, actually lifting a one-day drink ban, with no public pressure, is amazing.

    It was lifted purely because Easter Thursday is easily the busiest day of the year for Off-Licences, and the Publicans simply weren’t happy with that. Tourism? Firstly, have you guys seen how much a tourist drinks – and besides, most tourists stay in hotels. You were always able to get drinks on Good Friday (with a meal) in a hotel.

    The net result of all of this is that over the next couple of years, Good Friday will become a normal Friday and anyone who previously enjoyed an unofficial day off work or whatever, will probably be expected to work. And yeah, we can all still have house parties and get the beers in, but honestly, we can do that any time now, so why bother doing it on Good Friday? The charm of it was that we had no choice, and there was an excited panic about it in the days beforehand. It was a bit of fun, a bit of tradition.
    That’s all gone, but most galling, the Publicans win again.


    How could you be charmed by someone taking away your freedom to choose to do something?


  • #259
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    STUPID ALCOS F%&K OFF ðŸ˜


    It's a disgrace, one day. ONE BLOODY DAY.. and people fought for this....
    PÍSS HEADS....


  • #260
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    martingriff wrote: »
    The hour to cash your cheque is long gone over 5 years. Since I started in Revenue we never got the 6th or 8th whichever it was off as an extra day (except teachers if kids off). We used to get day after st. Stephens day but noþ anymore. I started in 2007. Never got cheque time

    It was only half an hour and has been gone for years. There was never a time within living memory when Civil Servants got the 8th December off.


  • #261
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,764 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Thing is all the people who find it wrong that the pubs will be open on Good Friday have already lost the argument as the legislation has now been passed and from now on the pubs will be open and those who want to drink may legally do so and those who don't want to may also choose not to, and there is absolutely nothing that these people can do about it except post ridiculous arguments on internet forums.

    This year it will be novelty to have the pubs open but by Easter 2019 it will feel complete normal, just like the smoking ban, divorce, contraception, gay marriage etc .


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  • #262
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    mistersifter wrote: »
    How could you be charmed by someone taking away your freedom to choose to do something?

    The freedom to be blotto every day of the year in a pub.

    It’s nice that we’ve moved on as a nation.


  • #263
    ShooterSF
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    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Did I say that? Loads of businesses are open on bank holidays. No one is compelled to close.

    Not forced to close, but they are compelled to because of bank holidays.


  • #264
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Thing is all the people who find it wrong that the pubs will be open on Good Friday have already lost the argument as the legislation has now been passed and from now on the pubs will be open and those who want to drink may legally do so and those who don't want to may also choose not to, and there is absolutely nothing that these people can do about it except post ridiculous arguments on internet forums.

    This year it will be novelty to have the pubs open but by Easter 2019 it will feel complete normal, just like the smoking ban, divorce, contraception, gay marriage etc .

    Sure it’s up there with those major social issues. You forgot the end of slavery. The chartist movement. The suffragettes.

    Although I noticed that while most of your list was an increase in liberty, the smoking ban was a prohibition. Odd juxtaposition


  • #265
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    As the other poster says it’s how worked up people get over it that is hard to understand.

    Given the history of the church in this country, it's not surprising if some people want its role reduced as much as possible.

    It's all about principle. If you want to be religious and abstain from drink on Good Friday, then have at it, more power to you.
    But I've always thought it ignorant in the extreme to foist religious beliefs on non-adherents.


  • #266
    Grayditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    There's a lot of pubs who can't afford to not open on a Friday these days. Also the religious connotations don't sit well with me. I'm happy about this.


  • #267
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    Given the history of the church in this country, it's not surprising if some people want its role reduced as much as possible.

    It's all about principle. If you want to be religious and abstain from drink on Good Friday, then have at it, more power to you.
    But I've always thought it ignorant in the extreme to foist religious beliefs on non-adherents.

    Except Christmas. Etc. And other religious holidays that shut down offices.

    Anyway the main reason to oppose this is because the supporters are basically fighting to get even more drunk in pubs. Mother Ireland may have thrown off the shackles of the church but not the vintners.


  • #268
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    Given the history of the church in this country, it's not surprising if some people want its role reduced as much as possible.

    It's all about principle. If you want to be religious and abstain from drink on Good Friday, then have at it, more power to you.
    But I've always thought it ignorant in the extreme to foist religious beliefs on non-adherents.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the vast majority of people in this country were mostly indifferent to the pubs being closed on Good Friday. Some liked all the melodrama of finding ways around it, some liked the tradition of it, but most people barely noticed. If they wanted a drink they had one at home, if they were religious they didn't drink on Good Friday but didn't go around preaching to others that they shouldn't or refusing to sit in the same room as someone having a glass of wine. It just wasn't that big a deal to most people, bar the publicans who have lobbied for this.


  • #269
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,764 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Sure it’s up there with those major social issues. You forgot the end of slavery. The chartist movement. The suffragettes.

    Although I noticed that while most of your list was an increase in liberty, the smoking ban was a prohibition. Odd juxtaposition

    I was referring specifically to Irish issues from Ireland's recent past that people thought would be bad for our society but have been the opposite.

    The smoking ban was a hugely controversial issue but now I would say the vast majority of people now see it as normal and would not go back.

    Same as the other issues I mentioned.


  • #270
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    The freedom to be blotto every day of the year in a pub.

    It’s nice that we’ve moved on as a nation.

    It's nice that we've moved on from being under the thumb of the catholic church.

    Gay marriage, divorce, upcoming abortion, discrimination in schools, etc

    The church has opposed every single attempt to remove bigotry, inequality, and restrictions on civil liberties in our society. Every single one.


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  • #271
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    ShooterSF wrote:
    Not forced to close, but they are compelled to because of bank holidays.


    No they are not. Businesses are encouraged to open on bank holidays


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