The idiots behind sulky racing

Fr_Dougal · 23-01-2018 03:43PM

b.connors wrote: »

I'll beat and mistreat my horse if I want, just like my father and his father before him has done. And I'll take your dogs if I feel like it.

Should we contact Pavee Point if you get banned?

Muckie · 23-01-2018 03:43PM

From a group of people who take so much and give back so little.

A Traveller Family were settled near my Mother in Laws a few years back and the "drama" never stopped till they moved out.

One example:

One day a "bare chested" man covered in blood chased a female with a Sword down the road.

Gardai turned up after a while, answer was "its a feud"..... mmmmm sooo thats ok then.

Anyone who defends them should try living with them, see how that works out for you!

Sardonicat · 23-01-2018 03:46PM

nullzero wrote: »

What are you on about?

They are not in any way drastically different to the average Irish person in terms of ethnicity. They are a social or cultural group, not an ethnic group. They are Irish people, not a outlying ethnic group of any type at all,

Err, ethnicity refers to culture.

turbbo · 23-01-2018 03:48PM

I've heard a story where a garda at a insurance/tax road checkpoint asked a traveller if he realised "he was breaking the law by not having insurance or tax" his reply was "Thems are your laws, not ours" guess he was telling it like it is.

piplip87 · 23-01-2018 03:52PM

Awaiting Pavee Point to issue a statement condemning racing on main roads

animaal · 23-01-2018 03:58PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

You really reckon they have licences?

I'd be doubtful, but I'm not going to make assumptions.

Lack of a license, tax or insurance are breaches of the law, with their own punishments. Ethnicity shouldn't be a factor in enforcement of those laws.

I'll happily slate the slack-jawed yokels that created this situation. But I'll await the legal outcome before criticising the state's reaction.

Fr_Dougal · 23-01-2018 03:58PM

piplip87 wrote: »

Awaiting Pavee Point to issue a statement condemning racing on main roads

You’ll have a long wait. They’ll probably come out and say that cars shouldn’t be using the roads. It’s not in their interest to say anything negative about their clients, too much funding at stake. Same goes for solicitors who provide free legal aid to them, that us taxpayers fund.

irishproduce · 23-01-2018 04:04PM

Wheety wrote: »

Maybe dangerous driving seeing as they had 2 banks of vehicles driving in a V formation taking up the whole road? That's why the pregnant woman had to take evasive action.

Good point.
The question then arises what kind of appetite is there within AGS to prosecute road offences against this cohort of people?
I don't have the answer, I am just raising the thought.

wexie · 23-01-2018 04:26PM

b.connors wrote: »

The rules of the road and the laws of the land don't apply to us, boss. Thought that was obvious at this stage?

I have to say, fair play on the reading and writing

Larbre34 · 23-01-2018 04:33PM

This lethal behaviour needs special legislation within the Road Traffic Act.

It needn't specify illegal cart racing (the term sulky racing is bandied about as some kind of "traditional so its alright" term, whereas its just criminal behaviour, so I wont use it), but it should include boy-racer gatherings too(donuts, drag races, processions etc)

The simple solution to both is to legislate to extend the remit of the mobile armed Garda patrols of Operation Thor, and on encountering or being tasked to an illegal race or road activity of any kind, their senior officer on the day should be able to direct the impounding and destruction of all kit on the spot. Whether its race carts, vehicles running interference for them, modified cars, or indeed the poor brute horses forced to pull the carts, the whole lot should be destroyed on site by a vet or mobile crusher truck.

Infini · 23-01-2018 04:38PM

You know I wonder, they gloat and laugh at forcing cars into accidents but would we be all laughing if their opponent was a multiton truck that plowed into these wasters instead and removed their stupidy?

Red_Wake · 23-01-2018 04:50PM

Infini wrote: »

You know I wonder, they gloat and laugh at forcing cars into accidents but would we be all laughing if their opponent was a multiton truck that plowed into these wasters instead and removed their stupidy?

I wouldn't gloat, but I'd feel little to no sympathy either.

BattleCorp · 23-01-2018 04:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Know fellows involved in sulky racing (they own stables for point to point horses). It's far from unique to travellers, indeed they admit travellers treat their horses a lot better than others simply because they are such a good source of income for them.

The idea that sulky racing should be banned is silly stuff. But obviously road traffic laws should be enforced.

Should be banned on public roads though.

lawred2 · 23-01-2018 04:53PM

Infini wrote: »

You know I wonder, they gloat and laugh at forcing cars into accidents but would we be all laughing if their opponent was a multiton truck that plowed into these wasters instead and removed their stupidy?

I'd be a bit meh about it really

BattleCorp · 23-01-2018 04:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Know fellows involved in sulky racing (they own stables for point to point horses). It's far from unique to travellers, indeed they admit travellers treat their horses a lot better than others simply because they are such a good source of income for them.

The idea that sulky racing should be banned is silly stuff. But obviously road traffic laws should be enforced.

Here's a picture of a well treated horse from a traveller sulky race.

the_syco · 23-01-2018 04:59PM

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Everyone wants to say what they really think of these "people" but we all know we'd be banned if we told it like it was.

We have found a use for RPG's! If we throw an RPG at every one of them, as least one of them will play it... :pac:

Wheety wrote: »

Who was doing this?

The usual traveller apologists will be along shortly.

Deleted User wrote: »

The idea that sulky racing should be banned is silly stuff. But obviously road traffic laws should be enforced.

Would you agree that sulky racing should be banned from all public roads?

Infini wrote: »

You know I wonder, they gloat and laugh at forcing cars into accidents but would we be all laughing if their opponent was a multiton truck that plowed into these wasters instead and removed their stupidy?

I'd run over with buckets of petrol to help put out the fire...

Gunmonkey · 23-01-2018 05:00PM

irishproduce wrote: »

Good point.
The question then arises what kind of appetite is there within AGS to prosecute road offences against this cohort of people?
I don't have the answer, I am just raising the thought.

Probably none, their name would get out as the arresting officer....the whole "defense" would rest on finding that piece of info...and then just find his/her house and either intimidation or flat out assault/murder for daring to impose laws on them!

jonon9 · 23-01-2018 05:01PM

Vermin the lot of them.

wexie · 23-01-2018 05:15PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

......their senior officer on the day should be able to direct the impounding and destruction of all kit on the spot. Whether its race carts, vehicles running interference for them, modified cars, or indeed the poor brute horses forced to pull the carts, the whole lot should be destroyed on site by a vet or mobile crusher truck.

I was with ya right up to the point you suggested putting the poor horses down, I think perhaps rehoming them might be a better and somewhat less drastic solution no?

Foxhound38 · 23-01-2018 05:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A far far worse problem on roads around here than travellers will ever be. Blocking roads while they do their doughnuts and diffing.

Why are you seemingly going out of your way to defend this behaviour?

markodaly · 23-01-2018 05:22PM

Sulky races should be completely banned from all roads. If people want to race them, do so in a field or on a track, you know like most other sports, like horse racing, greyhound racing, car racing.

The roads are there for transportation. If they want to race on the roads, do what everyone else has to do. Apply for permission and have the appropriate safeguards, insurance and medical standby like everyone else.

This is not about them v us. It is about mutual respect and them having to go by the same rules and laws as everyone else.

Lastly, what about the horses in this? The ISPCA have called for a total ban on this sport, and its hard to disagree with them.

Klinkhammer · 23-01-2018 05:22PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Why are you seemingly going out of your way to defend this behaviour?

Not everyone hates travellers. I grew up between 2 halting sites in South Dublin and I've had far more positive experiences with them than negative. It might be different out the country but I've never had a serious issue.

BattleCorp · 23-01-2018 05:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's rally drivers and petrolheads for you.

A far far worse problem on roads around here than travellers will ever be. Blocking roads while they do their doughnuts and diffing.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Attempted deflection.

This has absolutely nothing to do with travellers racing sulkies dangerously on a main road with other travellers driving dangerously and causing accidents.

By the way, the above statement also applies to non-travellers racing sulkies and behaving similarly.

BattleCorp · 23-01-2018 05:27PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Not everyone hates travellers. I grew up between 2 halting sites in South Dublin and I've had far more positive experiences with them than negative. It might be different out the country but I've never had a serious issue.

I've never ever had a positive experience with them. They are responsible for most of the problems/crime where I live even though they are probably less than 1% of the local population.

cherryghost · 23-01-2018 05:28PM

How in gods name can someone defend their actions!?

Roger Hassenforder · 23-01-2018 05:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The idea that sulky racing should be banned is silly stuff. But obviously road traffic laws should be enforced.

Interesting phrasing, nicely avoided condemning them...

road traffic laws should be obeyed by citizens, particularly the ones about dangerous driving, and consideration for other users, alonf with not engaging in reckless endangerment etc.
The onus is on citizen to abide by the law, not on AGS to catch transgressors.

wexie · 23-01-2018 05:30PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

By the way, the above statement also applies to non-travellers racing sulkies and behaving similarly.

That just doesn't seem to happen quite so regularly though does it?

Would nearly make it easier if it did cause it'd make a ban more likely, if everybody is doing it the 'racist card' can't get played.....

BattleCorp · 23-01-2018 05:42PM

wexie wrote: »

That just doesn't seem to happen quite so regularly though does it?

Would nearly make it easier if it did cause it'd make a ban more likely, if everybody is doing it the 'racist card' can't get played.....

I have had two bans already and have a permanent ban hanging over my head if I go overboard telling the truth according to my observations criticising travellers so I decided it was an appropriate sentence to write.

marklazarcovic · 23-01-2018 05:43PM

had the pleasure one sunday morning of driving up carnmore road near galway airport about 11am, 'whats that yoke up ahead' i says to myself .. could not believe what i was seeing .. both lanes had lads in cars and jeeps in a line across,lads standing in pickups,lads with cameras hanging from every window.. all moving towards me,no hazard lights, no notice to slow down ..nothing.. all i could do was stop in my lane whilst they jeered at me for not pulling into the verge out of their way.. two sulkys racing.. more lads in vans and cars behind them .

the sheer fcking nerve of it.

Foxhound38 · 23-01-2018 05:43PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Not everyone hates travellers. I grew up between 2 halting sites in South Dublin and I've had far more positive experiences with them than negative. It might be different out the country but I've never had a serious issue.

You don't have to dislike travellers to not make excuses for dangerous, antisocial behaviour. There is clearly problems in their culture - this is not a racist statement, it is objective fact backed up by prisoner ratios, crime statistics, educational attainment (including basic literacy skills), teen pregnancy and suicide rates compared to the rest of the population. Pavee Point would point to "structural racism" as the cause of this, but nobody really believes that this is the sort of one-sided, "travellers are blameless" thing that they make it out to be - something is seriously wrong here and only the foolish or the blinkered cannot see this, and it does neither them nor society any favors to allow what is currently going on to continue and allow them to essentially be a law unto themselves. Laws and societal expectations need to apply to everyone in that society or they mean nothing.

Ironically, by making excuses for them the implication is that they are somehow incapable of behaving in a safe, respectful manner like everyone else is expected to, and that accommodations must be made for it as a result - which is incredibly insulting to their intelligence.

The people complaining about it on the other hand assert that they are absolutely capable of behaving in an acceptable manner, and that this should be expected of them in the same way as it is for everyone else. WE are the ones validating their intelligence and abilities and expecting better, the apologists are them ones patronizing them and have resigned themselves to the idea that the status quo is the way it has to be.

The idiots behind sulky racing

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