Heavyweight Boxing

liamoreilly · 14-01-2018 12:49pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I 'confirmed' this over a week ago . See discussion above.
AJ for me

...Haha...So you did ðŸ˜ðŸ˜...Impressive...

Owta Control · 14-01-2018 1:31pm

Joshua will take Parker apart... Parker has the height and weight of a proper heavyweight... but none of the attacking skills to trouble Joshua...if it gets to the 6th round I'll be surprised.

squinn2912 · 14-01-2018 9:31pm

I think Parker is a bit like Breazele who can hit back. I think he will be durable and I expect him to get through once or twice. I don't think AJ takes a shot well but if he can do that then he will have far too much power. AJ 7-9 ko after some hairy moments

ThunderCat · 15-01-2018 2:42pm

I'm lucky enough to be visiting New York at the beginning of March and I'd like to go see the Wilder fight but on the same night in Madison Square Garden Kovalev and Bivol are both fighting. Decisions Decisions.

walshb · 15-01-2018 3:50pm

I reckon AJ will find Parker's chin early enough. Ring size will be important for Parker. Smallish ring will see this end early.

Morrison J · 15-01-2018 4:41pm

ThunderCat wrote:

I'm lucky enough to be visiting New York at the beginning of March and I'd like to go see the Wilder fight but on the same night in Madison Square Garden Kovalev and Bivol are both fighting. Decisions Decisions.

I'd be picking Wilder - Ortiz ten times out of ten personally. Proper competitive, hard to call heavyweight title fights don't come around every day.

Morrison J · 15-01-2018 4:43pm

walshb wrote:

I reckon AJ will find Parker's chin early enough. Ring size will be important for Parker. Smallish ring will see this end early.

If Parker turns up out of shape like his last few fights he's getting banged out within 6. If he's back in shape like before and able to use his legs and those really fast combinations I think he's a live underdog.

Joshua being priced at 1/20 for this seems way too wide.

ThunderCat · 15-01-2018 5:12pm

Morrison J wrote: »

I'd be picking Wilder - Ortiz ten times out of ten personally. Proper competitive, hard to call heavyweight title fights don't come around every day.

Thanks for that, I think that may be my preference too. I could always try and see the weigh in for the Kovalev fight the day before anyway.

walshb · 15-01-2018 5:19pm

Morrison J wrote: »

If Parker turns up out of shape like his last few fights he's getting banged out within 6. If he's back in shape like before and able to use his legs and those really fast combinations I think he's a live underdog.

Joshua being priced at 1/20 for this seems way too wide.

He does put together lovely combinations. Two things: has he the POP to really hurt or discourage AJ, and has he the chin to survive clean AJ shots?

I am betting no on both...

Owta Control · 15-01-2018 5:22pm

walshb wrote: »

He does out together lovely combinations. Two thongs....has he the POP to really hurt or discourage AJ, and has he the chin to survive clean AJ shots?

I am betting no on both...

If he shows up wearing 2 thongs I'd say AJ will keep him upright for 10 rounds for the laugh!

The man in red and black · 15-01-2018 9:32pm

walshb wrote: »

I reckon AJ will find Parker's chin early enough. Ring size will be important for Parker. Smallish ring will see this end early.

In this day and age why is this not standardized? Surely there should just be one size?

squinn2912 · 15-01-2018 11:22pm

Morrison J wrote: »

walshb wrote:

I reckon AJ will find Parker's chin early enough. Ring size will be important for Parker. Smallish ring will see this end early.

If Parker turns up out of shape like his last few fights he's getting banged out within 6. If he's back in shape like before and able to use his legs and those really fast combinations I think he's a live underdog.

Joshua being priced at 1/20 for this seems way too wide.

I agree with that. He's not a pushover but I think if he was serious about it he would have stepped up in class and then fought AJ. This is starting to look to me like a payday hunt. I hope I'm wrong about that. Either way he's set up for life I hope he gives it a real go.

walshb · 16-01-2018 9:25am

The man in red and black wrote: »

In this day and age why is this not standardized? Surely there should just be one size?

Been that way for eternity.. always wiggle room in pro boxing..

Sebastian Dangerfield · 16-01-2018 10:21am

squinn2912 wrote: »

I agree with that. He's not a pushover but I think if he was serious about it he would have stepped up in class and then fought AJ. This is starting to look to me like a payday hunt. I hope I'm wrong about that. Either way he's set up for life I hope he gives it a real go.

Klitschko aside, who has AJ fought that's so much better than Parker? He's good some good names on his CV - Andy Ruiz, Carlos Takam, Hughie Fury, Dimitrenko. He hasn't looked amazing in all of those fights but they're some good names by todays standards.

Fighting someone like Cojanu so recently doesn't look great, but he was a late replacement for Fury wasn't he? Hardly Parkers fault.

squinn2912 · 16-01-2018 11:26am

Yea I guess you make a fair point there. Other than Wlad (41) AJ has very little on his record. Whyte is the level of chisora who was always hopelessly outclassed at world level.

normanoffside · 17-01-2018 7:35pm

Povetkin vs Price added to the Joshua Card.
Should be fun while it lasts but Povetkin is very durable so I see Price gassing again.

titan18 · 17-01-2018 7:37pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Povetkin vs Price added to the Joshua Card.
Should be fun while it lasts but Povetkin is very durable so I see Price gassing again.

Povetkin being billed for Joshua's next fight then.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 17-01-2018 8:26pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Povetkin vs Price added to the Joshua Card.
Should be fun while it lasts but Povetkin is very durable so I see Price gassing again.

Id be amazed if it happens

yourdeadwright · 19-01-2018 12:58pm

walshb wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

Wlad went into that fight untouchable and TF shut him out. His boxing is about winning not entertaining.
The Fury style is to smother and slither. They do it well.

What about the style where you make contact with things called punches and actually hit the opponent? Can you not try that form of a shut out?

Boxing is about winning, Its clever to approach a fight in a way that give you the best chance to do so ,
Fury won and done it untouched i'm sure he was more than delighted to do it that way,
I can never understand people moaning about styles,
He not going to go in and get his lights turned off just to keep you happy is he,
Fury knows the rules set and knows how to win by it , if the other fighter doesn't like that its there job to finds a way to stop him if they can't then hard luck ,

walshb · 19-01-2018 1:20pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Boxing is about winning, Its clever to approach a fight in a way that give you the best chance to do so ,
Fury won and done it untouched i'm sure he was more than delighted to do it that way,
I can never understand people moaning about styles,
He not going to go in and get his lights turned off just to keep you happy is he,
Fury knows the rules set and knows how to win by it , if the other fighter doesn't like that its there job to finds a way to stop him if they can't then hard luck ,

That's just it

This nonsense being spouted of Fury's dominance in schooling Wlad....It just did not happen...

Fury done it untouched? And so did Wlad.....both men barely touched each other for 12 rds. That is my point. Not styles, not hitting without getting hit etc....

BOTH men were IMO extremely poor, with neither telling me that they won the fight. There was no bloody fight....

yourdeadwright · 19-01-2018 1:40pm

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Boxing is about winning, Its clever to approach a fight in a way that give you the best chance to do so ,
Fury won and done it untouched i'm sure he was more than delighted to do it that way,
I can never understand people moaning about styles,
He not going to go in and get his lights turned off just to keep you happy is he,
Fury knows the rules set and knows how to win by it , if the other fighter doesn't like that its there job to finds a way to stop him if they can't then hard luck ,

That's just it

This nonsense being spouted of Fury's dominance in schooling Wlad....It just did not happen...

Fury done it untouched? And so did Wlad.....both men barely touched each other for 12 rds. That is my point. Not styles, not hitting without getting hit etc....

BOTH men were IMO extremely poor, with neither telling me that they won the fight. There was no bloody fight....

I think your being unfair on Fu

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Boxing is about winning, Its clever to approach a fight in a way that give you the best chance to do so ,
Fury won and done it untouched i'm sure he was more than delighted to do it that way,
I can never understand people moaning about styles,
He not going to go in and get his lights turned off just to keep you happy is he,
Fury knows the rules set and knows how to win by it , if the other fighter doesn't like that its there job to finds a way to stop him if they can't then hard luck ,

That's just it

This nonsense being spouted of Fury's dominance in schooling Wlad....It just did not happen...

Fury done it untouched? And so did Wlad.....both men barely touched each other for 12 rds. That is my point. Not styles, not hitting without getting hit etc....

BOTH men were IMO extremely poor, with neither telling me that they won the fight. There was no bloody fight..

I think your being unfair but i think most watching could see that Fury won it, He did so in borning fashion but he did enough to win, The fight was on his terms weather you liked it or not ,
People forget before that fight no one could find a way to beat Wlad and Tyson did and in Germany ,
Aj got floored by a 41 yearold who lost his previous fight 2 year earlier ,Sky try make out like it was some kind of impossible feat Aj pulled off,
To date AJ's most dangerous fight was against Whyte (doesn't say much) , Wlad was done by the time they fought ,

walshb · 19-01-2018 2:09pm

I'm being honest about BOTH.

Wlad was as bad as Fury!

Urindanger · 19-01-2018 2:42pm

What's Parker's chin like anyone know? If he's got those Samoan concrete block head genes like David Tua it could be an interesting fight. If Parker's chin holds up and he's trained for the long game he has a good chance I reckon. He's got deceptively fast hands as well.

walshb · 19-01-2018 4:10pm

Urindanger wrote: »

What's Parker's chin like anyone know? If he's got those Samoan concrete block head genes like David Tua it could be an interesting fight. If Parker's chin holds up and he's trained for the long game he has a good chance I reckon. He's got deceptively fast hands as well.

Good decent chin and it will definitely make it interesting. Parker has very decent and fluid punching....not wow power, but sometimes wow power is not needed to hurt or even KO a bigger man.

Danye · 20-01-2018 10:46am

walshb wrote: »

Good decent chin and it will definitely make it interesting. Parker has very decent and fluid punching....not wow power, but sometimes wow power is not needed to hurt or even KO a bigger man.

I don’t think you would need wow power to hurt AJ. I think he has a suspect chin. In his Parker fight I hope to see an improvement from him in terms of movement. I think he’s often stationery and there to be hit easily. He might be over reliant on his power and when he can’t get someone out of there he looks very one demensional.

As for Fury, I’m sick to death of hearing about him. He’s embarrassing. Put up, or shut up. Living off a victory over a poor opponent in Klitschko. Apart from that, he’s not beaten anybody above domestic European level!

walshb · 20-01-2018 12:00pm

Fury is non stop on social media talking a great fight vs. AJ. A fight he knows probably will never happen because he may not even get back into any kind of shape. His infatuation with that 3 year old pathetic display against Wlad is nauseating. Other than Wlad he has beaten nobody...

Visconti · 20-01-2018 12:11pm

walshb wrote: »

Fury is non stop on social media talking a great fight vs. AJ. A fight he knows probably will never happen because he may not even get back into any kind of shape. His infatuation with that 3 year old pathetic display against Wlad is nauseating. Other than Wlad he has beaten nobody...

He has beaten EVERYONE put in front of him all the way to the world championship.
The Klit was not in his prime but either was tyson when lewis beat him you can only beat the man in front of you and thats what fury does.
Aj is a handy fight for him. Parker is a handy one too.
Wilder would be interesting.
Hope fury comes back in shape and takes his belt back.

walshb · 20-01-2018 12:18pm

AJ is a handy fight for Fury?.....wtf!

Yes, handy until AJ hits him...

selectamatic · 20-01-2018 12:38pm

Visconti wrote: »

He has beaten EVERYONE put in front of him all the way to the world championship.
The Klit was not in his prime but either was tyson when lewis beat him you can only beat the man in front of you and thats what fury does.
Aj is a handy fight for him. Parker is a handy one too.
Wilder would be interesting.
Hope fury comes back in shape and takes his belt back.

You do realise the fury camp were carefully picking their opponents right up until Tyson came into line to fight wlad, also when you look at his record there's a curious amount of bang average sub 6ft4" heavies who lacked speed and power but that's for another discussion.

If fury had taken a true face all comers stance then he'd have wins over the likes of povetkin, wach, Ortiz , pulev etc. These were all big names and decent opponents who would have jumped at the chance for a big paying fight in the UK and they were generally all in good form when Fury's proposed fight with haye was falling through, to which they would have been big name alternatives but you'll not see any of them on his record.

There's nothing wrong with that, that's how modern boxing is and shur he got his win over the champ so I'm sure it doesn't bother him in the slightest.

But let's not lose touch with reality here...

Danye · 20-01-2018 12:57pm

selectamatic wrote: »

You do realise the fury camp were carefully picking their opponents right up until Tyson came into line to fight wlad, also when you look at his record there's a curious amount of bang average sub 6ft4" heavies who lacked speed and power but that's for another discussion.

If fury had taken a true face all comers stance then he'd have wins over the likes of povetkin, wach, Ortiz , pulev etc. These were all big names and decent opponents who would have jumped at the chance for a big paying fight in the UK and they were generally all in good form when Fury's proposed fight with haye was falling through, to which they would have been big name alternatives but you'll not see any of them on his record.

There's nothing wrong with that, that's how modern boxing is and shur he got his win over the champ so I'm sure it doesn't bother him in the slightest.

But let's not lose touch with reality here...

Excellent post.

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