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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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  • #3782
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Norwegian have pulled their Hartford-Edinburgh route which may help EI somewhat.

    In the article on a local Hartford TV station there is this quote
    Kevin Dillon wrote:
    "While we are certainly disappointed by the discontinuation of the Norwegian service, the CAA will continue moving forward with our strong partnership with Aer Lingus," he said. "The route between Dublin and Bradley has shown promising growth, and, after recent discussions, we are confident that the Bradley route is currently in line for an aircraft upgrade in 2019."

    Must be a good sign for the DUB-BDL route going forward

    http://www.wfsb.com/story/37268152/norwegian-stops-flights-from-bradley-to-scotland?autostart=true


  • #3783
    NH2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭NH2013


    Nice bit of spin to call switching from the 757 to the 321Neo/LR an aircraft upgrade. :D


  • #3784
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    NH2013 wrote: »
    Nice bit of spin to call switching from the 757 to the 321Neo/LR an aircraft upgrade. :D

    My thoughts exactly. It’s still an upgrade though, circa 1999 model to brand new?


  • #3785
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Only if the product is upgraded surely ( quicker journey/better seat pitch/wider seats )


  • #3786
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,379 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Seats will be wider, A320 family is a few inches wider than the 757. Will almost certainly come with Wi-Fi as well


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  • #3787
    California Dreamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    trellheim wrote: »
    Only if the product is upgraded surely ( quicker journey/better seat pitch/wider seats )


    How do you suggest they make the journey quicker?


  • #3788
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭trellheim


    neo cruise is .78, 757 is .8 according to wiki , the older model is faster ( in general ) which is kind of my point , any time saved is a product improvement ( not a large one in this case, but still )


  • #3789
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,908 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It's unlikely they cruise at max currently anyway - could actually end up faster due to the reduced fuel burn allowing them to go a bit quicker


  • #3790
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭trellheim


    sure... thats why I took cruise rather than max off wiki

    although in fairness it looks like theres a high speed cruise mech on the neo but sure airlines will plop for the lower one imo


  • #3791
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,908 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Its still unlikely they actually cruise at the wiki quoted figure at all times. Fuel may have got cheap compared to a few years ago but the huge price hike impacted speed and sector lengths pretty permanently.

    On a 20 year old frame with 30 year old tech engines its very plausible that the best match between time and economy is slower than on a new frame with new tech engines even if that frame is theorethically slower.


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  • #3792
    rushfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭rushfan


    Out of curiosity, how many A330s do ALT have? 10 on the ramp at DAP this morning.


  • #3793
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    rushfan wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, how many A330s do ALT have? 10 on the ramp at DAP this morning.
    12 in service at the moment. (also 4 B757s)
    There is a 13th sitting in Dublin at the moment. While it is in EI colours it is not being handed over to EI until March I think.

    Plans published about 2 months ago indicate that this number of A330's will remain the same until 2022. A321LRs will start to arrive in approx 14 months.

    Edit; A319er is correct. The QR leased A330 will be #13. The currently stored A330 is #12.
    Current A330- 4xA332, 7xA333.


  • #3794
    California Dreamer
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    Tenger wrote: »

    Plans published about 2 months ago indicate that this number of A330's will remain the same until 2022.

    Then the A350's will arrive!!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #3795
    A319er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭A319er


    I believe Ei have 12 inc the stored one, two of these 12 are in Maintainance, FRA and BOD A 13th arrives in Apr from QR and maybe one more plus 4x 757

    I could be wrong


  • #3796
    California Dreamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    A319er wrote: »
    I believe Ei have 12 inc the stored one, two of these 12 are in Maintainance, FRA and BOD A 13th arrives in Apr from QR and maybe one more plus 4x 757

    I could be wrong

    http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Aer%20Lingus-active-a330.htm

    Currently 12 active.


  • #3797
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭cson


    The air frame utilization must be sky high given the amount of routes/frequencies (even in winter) that Aer Lingus have to the US?


  • #3798
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    cson wrote: »
    The air frame utilization must be sky high given the amount of routes/frequencies (even in winter) that Aer Lingus have to the US?
    Yup. Over 20 hours I believe.
    In one of their yearly reports over the last handful of years it was stated that their utilization was the highest of any operator Europe-USA.


  • #3799
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,379 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Tenger wrote: »
    Yup. Over 20 hours I believe.
    In one of their yearly reports over the last handful of years it was stated that their utilization was the highest of any operator Europe-USA.

    And thats why Aer Lingus makes money, it keeps the planes in the sky with high loads. The trips to Malaga squeeze even more out of the fleet.


  • #3800
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,440 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Sweating their fixed assets, they've had ample opportunity to look and learn from the likes of Ryanair (albeit a short haul only operator.) Aircraft make no money on the ground after all.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #3801
    Pat Dunne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Sweating their fixed assets, they've had ample opportunity to look and learn from the likes of Ryanair (albeit a short haul only operator.) Aircraft make no money on the ground after all.

    In fairness to Aer Lingus, they have a very good track record built up over many decades for achieving positive financial returns for their aircraft especially in low season.


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  • #3802
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Seen it posted on Dublin spotters on Facebook;
    Apparently EI are operating wet leases for BA. Anyone know anything about these? I thought consensus here was that EI might actually to short term lease a A320 themselves this Summer.


  • #3803
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,845 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Tenger wrote: »
    Seen it posted on Dublin spotters on Facebook;
    Apparently EI are operating wet leases for BA. Anyone know anything about these? I thought consensus here was that EI might actually to short term lease a A320 themselves this Summer.

    Could be why the rumoured ASL ops at BHD.

    Edit - only up to May for BA.


  • #3804
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Tenger wrote: »
    Seen it posted on Dublin spotters on Facebook;
    Apparently EI are operating wet leases for BA. Anyone know anything about these? I thought consensus here was that EI might actually to short term lease a A320 themselves this Summer.

    I know BA are short aircraft for their LGW schedule as they’ve acquired Monarch slots and intend to expand their bucket and spade routes from there this summer. They’d supposedly hired in Titan for the summer to help with this. Perhaps EI will help too


  • #3805
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Pat Dunne wrote: »
    In fairness to Aer Lingus, they have a very good track record built up over many decades for achieving positive financial returns for their aircraft especially in low season.

    I've never heard this being explicitly mentioned before, anywhere online to read about it?


  • #3806
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Locker10a wrote: »
    Tenger wrote: »
    Seen it posted on Dublin spotters on Facebook;
    Apparently EI are operating wet leases for BA. Anyone know anything about these? I thought consensus here was that EI might actually to short term lease a A320 themselves this Summer.

    I know BA are short aircraft for their LGW schedule as they’ve acquired Monarch slots and intend to expand their bucket and spade routes from there this summer. They’d supposedly hired in Titan for the summer to help with this. Perhaps EI will help too
    To that end would they not just take the Monarch aircraft coming off lease? They're all Airbus machines iirc.
    Obviously not as simple in practice but it'd be a relatively obvious destination.


  • #3807
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    cson wrote: »
    To that end would they not just take the Monarch aircraft coming off lease? They're all Airbus machines iirc.
    Obviously not as simple in practice but it'd be a relatively obvious destination.

    Part of the shut down of Monarch probably involved the leasing cmopanys retaking possession of their assets.
    The Monarch aircraft are probably different to the BA fleet so not easily integrated. Am I correct in saying BA didnt absorb Monarch personnel as they did with BMI?


  • #3808
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,908 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    I've never heard this being explicitly mentioned before, anywhere online to read about it?

    They practically invented modern wet-leasing in the 1960s; there's a few decent books written on the history.

    GPA, almost all ex-EI staff, basically invented modern operational leasing too. The leasing industry didn't base here for tax, it based here for expertise - there are much cheaper places to use as a flag of convenience for tax.


  • #3809
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    L1011 wrote: »
    They practically invented modern wet-leasing in the 1960s; there's a few decent books written on the history.

    GPA, almost all ex-EI staff, basically invented modern operational leasing too. The leasing industry didn't base here for tax, it based here for expertise - there are much cheaper places to use as a flag of convenience for tax.

    What wet leasing have EI done over the past number of years though?


  • #3810
    NH2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭NH2013


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    What wet leasing have EI done over the past number of years though?

    Novair on the A330 and Virgin Little Red on the A320 come to mind


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  • #3811
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,908 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    As above, also significant ski charter work (including 330s) in winter. Had the misfortune of having to check in behind an entire 330 in LGW once!


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