"Progressive TV Licence system" proposed by FG Senator

draiochtanois · 18-01-2018 02:51PM

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Beta Ray Bill · 18-01-2018 02:55PM

draiochtanois wrote: »

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touché

Mrs OBumble · 18-01-2018 03:01PM

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

You don’t watch it. That’s fine. I’m not sure you understand the idea of a state broadcaster though. It’s for society in general. So by everyone paying that means auld lads can watch GAA instead of having to pay SKY. Or those who don’t have broadband can still access news and current affairs. If we all just choose to pay for what we wanted then things would be pretty ropey pretty quickly.

So fund it out of general taxation, instead of having a special tax (which costs a fortune to administer) for it.

VinLieger · 18-01-2018 03:15PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

So fund it out of general taxation, instead of having a special tax (which costs a fortune to administer) for it.

The only way this would be a good idea is if we stripped it back completely to do only news and current affairs as well as the odd local stuff like ear to the ground etc, and removed advertising completely. Giving the current bloated bureaucratic mess that is RTE access to the general taxation tap would be a serious mistake

Red_Wake · 18-01-2018 05:25PM

I listened to 2fm on the drive in to work this morning.

Dire stuff. Listening to the presenters talk about themselves constantly, with no remarks on the outside world. And they expect us to pay for these remedials.

BattleCorp · 18-01-2018 06:01PM

The figures quoted of €4 per month for broadband or €9 per month for broadband and a landline won't fly.

They will have to be increased substantially because RTE can't make ends meet with the current licence fee as is, so any new charges will have to equal the €160 currently charged at a minimum.

Mrs OBumble · 18-01-2018 06:06PM

VinLieger wrote: »

The only way this would be a good idea is if we stripped it back completely to do only news and current affairs as well as the odd local stuff like ear to the ground etc, and removed advertising completely. Giving the current bloated bureaucratic mess that is RTE access to the general taxation tap would be a serious mistake

General taxation is not a bottomless pit. RTE would get allocation and has to deliver agreed services from that. Just like every other state agency has to.

And why remove advertising - the very thing which enables them to do more than the allocation would allow?

Manach · 18-01-2018 06:10PM

There are many names of taxes and one of them being Licence. I've not an interest in a State broadcasting company beyond the fee that is levied to keep this relic running.

Grayson · 18-01-2018 06:24PM

BillyBobBS wrote: »

It's rubbish value. There isn't a single thing i'd watch on RTE or listen to on the RTE radio for entertainment purposes, not one. I pay for broadband and netflix and it works out at about 45 a month over the course of the year. People have moved on and RTE is no longer relevant in the modern age. It's time for them to stand on their own two feet.

I have no problem paying for both netflix and spotify. I also have a subscription to the Irish times.

I don't have any TV service at all. Everything is streamed.

I'd actually have no problem with a tax on broadband/phone connections if that was used to upgrade services around the country. But the TV licence is a joke. All that money to produce dreadful programming and buy some dreadful programming.

I remember years ago I was living with an american girl. Winning streak was on the TV. I had to explain that you bought a lottery ticket then the rest of the country had to pay to be able to watch you win a prize. I was unable to explain why the production standards were so bad.

suicide_circus · 18-01-2018 06:30PM

Grayson wrote: »

I remember years ago I was living with an american girl. Winning streak was on the TV. I had to explain that you bought a lottery ticket then the rest of the country had to pay to be able to watch you win a prize. I was unable to explain why the production standards were so bad.

LOL the insanity of that is beyond words

Grayson · 18-01-2018 06:30PM

jmcc wrote: »

A subscription based system would be very difficult to protect because there is over the air delivery (Saorview) /broadcast, cable television delivery, satellite delivery (Saorsat) and internet delivery of the service. There would have to be a shared system which would allow subscribers to use it. And there will always be someone who could find a way around the protection. Even Sky was compromised in about five seconds and that was one of the most secure systems at the time. The current licence model is probably the one that will be built upon but the collection of the fee might change. There's talk of having Revenue collect it.

Regards...jmcc

I can see RTE being a prime target for the world hackers who need their Late Late fix.

buckwheat · 18-01-2018 06:31PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

I listen to RTE radio quite a bit, their documentaries are very interesting and very well put together. I also like Drama on One, and also some of the music programs.

But RTE television? Lets just take a quick look at what is on today on RTE1

7am Teleshopping
8:25 Today with Maura and Daithi (I have never seen this so cant comment)
10:25 Dr. Phil
11:20 Shortland Street
11:50 Leaders Questions
12:45 Telly Bingo
13:00 News
13:30 Home and Away
14:00 Neighbours
14:30 Kevin Dundon's Modern Irish Food (this is probably good)
15:00 Fair City
15:30 Today with Maura and Daithi
17:40 Nuacht
18:00 News
19:00 Getaways (travel program)
19:30 Eastenders
20:00 Fair City

There is a current affairs program and a couple of dramas on after this, followed by a film, and of course more news.

Some of the Irish made programs are good, but they are far and few between. Everything else is repeats and fillers.

The absolute ****ing state of that

Grayson · 18-01-2018 06:32PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

LOL the insanity of that is beyond words

And it's on at primetime!. On our national station. WTF is going on there.

SEPT 23 1989 · 18-01-2018 06:47PM

jmcc wrote: »

Fascinating how there used to be an argument by RTE supporters that the reason that people like Tubridy et al were paid so much was because other broadcasters wanted them. BBC didn't seem to want Tubridy back since his little Alan Partridge effort as a replacement DJ.

Regards...jmcc

The ones with real media talent got out of this country and were paid accordingly

VinLieger · 18-01-2018 07:04PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

General taxation is not a bottomless pit. RTE would get allocation and has to deliver agreed services from that. Just like every other state agency has to.

And why remove advertising - the very thing which enables them to do more than the allocation would allow?

They aren't a state agency.

They have lost literally every sporting event in recent years that they have bid for. Their GAA coverage is being stripped barer every year, they are down to picking up the table scraps of whatever mid week garbage game happens in the premier league and they no longer have the 6 nations, rugby world cup, both lost to tv3 who receive no license fee, or any of the pro14 games. They also will now have to compete for the 2020 olympic license as Eurosport will be sub licensing out coverage for it in Europe and I have zero expectations for them to be successful considering recent history.

So please tell me again what advertising allows them to do?

lawred2 · 18-01-2018 07:08PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Have you watched TV3? Anyway apples and oranges comparison, one is mandated to be a full scale general broadcaster in radio and television with orchestras, choirs, Irish language support, cultural odds and sods etc. TV3 is soaps and ITV imports.

I'll see your orchestras and raise you a Ryan Tubridy and Nicky Byrne..

Fann Linn · 18-01-2018 07:14PM

Referendum on RTE & The Seanad again please.

Far too much waste in the public purse.

Varik · 18-01-2018 07:22PM

Would pay €96 a year to improve the broadband infrastructure, as an expansion and boost to the current USO.

Not paying a cent to RTE.

Billy86 · 18-01-2018 07:22PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Have you watched TV3? Anyway apples and oranges comparison, one is mandated to be a full scale general broadcaster in radio and television with orchestras, choirs, Irish language support, cultural odds and sods etc. TV3 is soaps and ITV imports.

A big, big problem though is when the first one consistently uses public money to muscle the other one out of their own market (and don't forget the US sitcom imports either) rather than put a proper focus into creating their own content and providing true opportunity to budding domestic industry professionals.

CiniO · 18-01-2018 07:24PM

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Giving out about RTÉ on the Internet comes as easily to some people as breathing. I’ve lived in countries with no state broadcaster. It’s crap. RTÉ aren’t perfect, but paying 180 a year for public service broadcasting isn’t bad value.

Maybe it isn't bad value, but problem is that currently people who don't avail of this service are still required to pay that €160 a year.
I do have to pay it, even though I never watch Rte.

Fann Linn · 18-01-2018 07:25PM

CiniO wrote: »

Maybe it isn't bad value, but problem is that currently people who don't avail of this service are still required to pay that €160 a year.
I do have to pay it, even though I never watch Rte.

Two hours of Marian Finucane on a Saturday morning illustrates exactly why the TV licence is a waste of money.

Ubbquittious · 18-01-2018 07:30PM

By progressive I thinking they mean more money progressing into their pockets

Ubbquittious · 18-01-2018 07:34PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

General taxation is not a bottomless pit.

It certainly is if you're the one trying to fill it.

VinLieger · 18-01-2018 07:36PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Two hours of Marian Finucane on a Saturday morning illustrates exactly why the TV licence is a waste of money.

For which she is paid 295k for realistically at most 6-8 hours per week including the 2 hour on air

goose2005 · 18-01-2018 07:38PM

baylah17 wrote: »

orchestras, choirs cultural odds and sods
Surely thats the Job of the Arts Council!!
WTF does the National Broadcaster need with Orchestras and Choirs in the 21st Century??

It is strange, a relic of the time when live orchestras on the radio were a big deal. Of course, remove them and RTE's cultural component starts to look very bare indeed

VinLieger · 18-01-2018 07:43PM

goose2005 wrote: »

It is strange, a relic of the time when live orchestras on the radio were a big deal. Of course, remove them and RTE's cultural component starts to look very bare indeed

Every aspect of their programming looks bare these days, as i pointed out above they have barely any of the sports programming they did 5-6 years ago, their kids programming is a joke compared to 15-20 years ago. Their homegrown stuff is also pretty garbage, literally the only thing of note they have produced in recent years is love/hate and that started 7 years ago and they haven't had the balls to take a risk like that since then

"Progressive TV Licence system" proposed by FG Senator

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