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Drunk driver gets community service after killing man and severely injuring two Garda

  • 18-01-2018 04:15PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Seems mind-boggling. Community service for getting behind the wheel of a car after a fair scatter of pints, killing one man and severely injuring two Gardai.

    One of the two Gardai was injured so badly she almost died and went into a coma.

    Seems a bit at odds with the ongoing general push against drink-driving to not give a custodial sentence for such a serious incident.

    http://galwaybayfm.ie/community-service-kilcolgan-drunk-driver-killed-pedestrian-injured-gardai/
    Galway Bay fm newsroom – A drunken driver, who killed an elderly pedestrian and injured two Gardaí, has been given 240 hours of community service in lieu of a four-year prison sentence and disqualified from driving for four years.

    Father of two, 44-year-old Adrian Nestor, from Keamsella, Kilcolgan, pleaded guilty before Galway Circuit Criminal Court last November to causing the death of 66-year old Liam McDonnell.

    He also pleaded guilty to causing serious bodily harm to Garda Sharon Casserly, by driving dangerously near Ardrahan in the early hours of Monday, February 1st last year.

    Adrian Nestor further pleaded guilty last November to driving while drunk at the time of the fatal collision.

    Sentence was adjourned to today for the preparation of reports and victim impact statements.

    Superintendent Sean Glynn gave evidence staff at a local nursing home rang Gardai at 11.35p.m. on March 31, 2016, to say a resident had left the premises and they were concerned because he was wearing dark clothing.

    Two Garda cars were despatched to look for Liam McDonnell and just over half an hour later, Garda Sharon Casserly and Garda Peter Murtagh located him.

    He was down on on the ground on his hands and knees, on the hard shoulder about 1.5km on the Galway side of Ardrahan.

    The patrol car pulled in on the hard shoulder, three to four meters behind Liam McDonnell, facing in the direction of oncoming traffic.

    Its dipped headlights and blue flashing lights were on.

    Supt. Glynn said that as both Gardai were getting Mr McDonnell into the patrol car, they were struck without warning by a silver Audi car.

    The force of the impact caused Mr McDonnell’s death and his body was found in a nearby field.

    Garda Casserly received severe injuries and her colleague could hear her screaming in agony as she lay further down the road on the hard shoulder.

    Garda Murtagh sustained a broken leg, a large cut to his head and damage to his knees and ankles and he could not move to help his colleague.

    Adrian Nestor, who sustained a minor head injury in the collision was later arrested and a blood sample showed a reading of 272 mgs. of alcohol per 100 mls of blood.


    A brief victim impact statement from Mr McDonnell’s ex-wife stated that she was not looking for anything except clemency for Nestor’s young family, as jail would not help bring Liam back.

    Supt. Glynn confirmed Nestor had no previous convictions and was married with two children.

    Adrian Nestor apologised in court to Mr McDonnell’s family and to both injured Gardai who were also present.

    Garda Sharon Casserly, who continues to suffer from injuries she sustained that night, read her own victim impact statement into evidence.

    She listed out the multiple serious injuries she sustained, including a brain injury.

    The court heard she also suffered a stroke while in hospital which left her paralysed on her right side for a time.

    She had to cancel her wedding day which was due to take place the following June and her career prospects have been put on hold.

    Adrian Nestor told the court he had contemplated taking his own life after that night.

    He became anxious and depressed and turned to alcohol.

    He was hospitalised twice for his mental health difficulties and while he no longer drinks, he continues to receive counselling and prescribed medications for depression.

    Taking Nestor’s previous good record, his genuine remorse, his mental state and the very positive probation report into account, Judge McCabe said the interests of justice would not be served by imposing an immediate custodial sentence.

    He imposed the maximum of 240 hours of community service in lieu of a four-year prison sentence for the charge of dangerous driving causing death and serious injury, along with a four-year disqualification.

    The judge also fined Nestor €1,000 and disqualified him for three years for the drink driving charge.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    That's disgraceful he should have got a prison sentence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Depression being used again to get away with murder


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Fuck that's light. I can't see how a judge can pass that sentence and consider it just. 240 hours, €1000 fine and 3 year disqualification for all those lives ruined.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    So...
    Drunk driving
    Killed someone as a result
    Injured two Gardai badly.

    vs

    Depression
    Remorse
    No previous convictions
    Father of two.


    Dunno but if it was me - Id be in prison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    He should be banned from driving for life, and given a jail term.


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  • Posts: 5,334 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's not sending the right message out to those people who think it's fine to drink and drive. Far too lenient.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Look, it's right there and I see the rationale:
    Taking Nestor’s previous good record, his genuine remorse, his mental state and the very positive probation report into account, Judge McCabe said the interests of justice would not be served by imposing an immediate custodial sentence.
    Would there be any purpose served in locking this guy up? Would it discourage someone else from drink-driving? I don't think so. His victim's family even asked for mercy for the sake of his children; so they don't suffer from having their father locked up.

    Ultimately what is the purpose of putting someone in prison if society is not improved by doing so?

    Though a four-year driving ban is a joke. If you piloted any other vehicle while completely plastered and crashed it and killed someone you'd be disqualified for life. We're far too slow to take people's driving licences away in this country. It's a serious privilege that should be hard to gain and easy to lose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    A brief victim impact statement from Mr McDonnell’s ex-wife stated that she was not looking for anything except clemency for Nestor’s young family, as jail would not help bring Liam back.
    That's what got him off I'd say... selfish prick!

    Regardless though the judges are getting very light touch in this country.
    I think it's because the Prisons are effectively full, there is barely capacity.

    We need a Prison capable of holding up to 5,000 inmates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    seamus wrote: »
    Ultimately what is the purpose of putting someone in prison if society is not improved by doing so?

    Punishment?
    seamus wrote: »
    Though a four-year driving ban is a joke. If you piloted any other vehicle while completely plastered and crashed it and killed someone you'd be disqualified for life. We're far too slow to take people's driving licences away in this country. It's a serious privilege that should be hard to gain and easy to lose.

    Agreed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭tobdom


    seamus wrote: »
    Look, it's right there and I see the rationale:

    Would there be any purpose served in locking this guy up? Would it discourage someone else from drink-driving? I don't think so.

    Yes is actually the answer you're looking for here......

    Absolutely f***ing disgusting........ judiciary are a joke!

    Potential thought-process (although admittedly there is a complete lack of thought) of someone who might 'chance' drink driving...... "ah, sure it's not like ya can get locked up for it if anything did go wrong"......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Joke of a country.healy rae will be along soon saying sure he had only a few pints supped.
    Should have got a 5 year sentence and a lifetime ban from driving. The kids weren’t his top priority the night he was p1ssed up driving but hold the phone there judge,he’s going to be father of the year now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    seamus wrote: »
    Look, it's right there and I see the rationale:

    Would there be any purpose served in locking this guy up? Would it discourage someone else from drink-driving? I don't think so. His victim's family even asked for mercy for the sake of his children; so they don't suffer from having their father locked up.

    Ultimately what is the purpose of putting someone in prison if society is not improved by doing so?

    Though a four-year driving ban is a joke. If you piloted any other vehicle while completely plastered and crashed it and killed someone you'd be disqualified for life. We're far too slow to take people's driving licences away in this country. It's a serious privilege that should be hard to gain and easy to lose.

    The Garda who he knocked down and seriously injured didn’t ask for clemency. People don’t just randomly decide to drink-drive at that age, I’d wager that it wasn’t his first time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭RhubarbCrumble


    He killed one person and injured two others while drunk. He should be behind bars and banned from driving for life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    seamus wrote: »
    Look, it's right there and I see the rationale:

    Would there be any purpose served in locking this guy up? Would it discourage someone else from drink-driving? I don't think so. His victim's family even asked for mercy for the sake of his children; so they don't suffer from having their father locked up.

    Ultimately what is the purpose of putting someone in prison if society is not improved by doing so?

    Though a four-year driving ban is a joke. If you piloted any other vehicle while completely plastered and crashed it and killed someone you'd be disqualified for life. We're far too slow to take people's driving licences away in this country. It's a serious privilege that should be hard to gain and easy to lose.

    You’re getting soft with age Seamuseen.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I guess the main rationale is that the victim was himself on the road in dark clothing on his hands and knees at night time, and the Gardaí were lifting him into their car. If a fellow is being pulled away from crawling around the road at night time and they are all struck by a drink driver, the driving itself is hardly the only factor.

    But think a prison sentence would still be appropriate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    I guess the main rationale is that the victim was himself on the road in dark clothing on his hands and knees at night time, and the Gardaí were lifting him into their car. If a fellow is being pulled away from crawling around the road at night time and they are all struck by a drink driver, the driving itself is hardly the only factor.

    But think a prison sentence would still be appropriate.

    Given that the report says their dipped lights were on, facing the direction of oncoming traffic, and the blue flashing lights were on, I'm not buying that he just ran into them because he didn't see them for lack of reflective clothing.

    I'm not sure about prison, one victim's family called for leniency on that count, and I'm not convinced prison is much of a deterrent, but I would agree that he should not ever be given back his license.

    I particularly liked the bit in the article where it says he got depressed after the accident and turned to alcohol.
    He kills someone while driving drunk, and his reaction to that is to drink more?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    I guess the main rationale is that the victim was himself on the road in dark clothing on his hands and knees at night time, and the Gardaí were lifting him into their car. If a fellow is being pulled away from crawling around the road at night time and they are all struck by a drink driver, the driving itself is hardly the only factor.

    But think a prison sentence would still be appropriate.

    Read the report again,they were putting the man into the squad car when hit. The squad car had headlights and blue flashing lights on,they were hardly invisible.
    The guy that hit them must have been seriously over the limit if he couldn't see that. There are no mitigating circumstances in the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    I guess the main rationale is that the victim was himself on the road in dark clothing on his hands and knees at night time, and the Gardaí were lifting him into their car. If a fellow is being pulled away from crawling around the road at night time and they are all struck by a drink driver, the driving itself is hardly the only factor.

    But think a prison sentence would still be appropriate.[/quote

    No excuse.he was drunk driving which is wrong full stop.if he was sober maybe he would have seen the man on the road or the guards or the squad car.a lifetime ban from driving and 5 years in the big house might take the thirst off him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    tobdom wrote: »
    Yes is actually the answer you're looking for here......
    Really, though? If potentially killing someone (or themselves) isn't going to stop someone drink-driving though, I don't think a potential jail sentence is going to be any more of a disincentive.

    As far as I can see the main purpose of jail terms are to protect the rest of us from a dangerous individual, or to create real consequences for crimes that may not otherwise have serious ones (like tax evasion).

    In this case, based on what's presented, I see nothing to be gained from locking this man up except for some justice boners.

    There's no mentioned of a suspended sentence though, which would be disappointing if the judge didn't give one. I'm all for giving a previously clean individual the "benefit of the doubt", but if that benefit is shown to be abused, the appropriate sanctions should be applied.
    You’re getting soft with age Seamuseen.
    Ah, I was always pretty soft.

    It's become increasingly clear though through millennia of human experience that locking people up is of limited effectiveness and that sentences which have positive social outcomes are preferable to ones which seek punishment or vengeance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    The jail sentence is only one aspect though. This guy will be back driving in 3 years!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The guy that hit them must have been seriously over the limit if he couldn't see that. There are no mitigating circumstances in the case.
    0.272

    Lowest limit is 0.05. Disqualified at 0.08 - and you'll feel it at that level. 0.12 is properly drunk and over 0.15 you'll be slurring your words and very wobbly on your feet.

    0.272 is absolutely scuttered. Most people wouldn't even be vertical at that level.


  • Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Crazy
    Not so long ago a Dublin man was locked up for 2 years for falling asleep at the wheel and killing a young mother and injuring a child. No alcohol involved

    How can this drunk driver get community service?????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Crazy
    Not so long ago a Dublin man was locked up for 2 years for falling asleep at the wheel and killing a young mother and injuring a child. No alcohol involved

    How can this drunk driver get community service?????

    You wouldn’t know he might have a bit of pull with man pants o’sullivan.if justice was served he’d have a lifetime ban from driving and 5 years minimum in the big house to take the thirst off him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Skyfloater


    seamus wrote: »
    0.272

    Lowest limit is 0.05. Disqualified at 0.08 - and you'll feel it at that level. 0.12 is properly drunk and over 0.15 you'll be slurring your words and very wobbly on your feet.

    0.272 is absolutely scuttered. Most people wouldn't even be vertical at that level.

    How many pints would an average man have to have to get to .272?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭tobdom


    seamus wrote: »
    Really, though? If potentially killing someone (or themselves) isn't going to stop someone drink-driving though, I don't think a potential jail sentence is going to be any more of a disincentive.

    I don't think people think like that though..... anyone who takes the car & chances it, their thinking, "I wonder is there any fear of coming across a checkpoint or meeting Gardai"...... "gees I might kill myself/someone else" doesn't really enter into the thought process as far as I'm concerned.

    that's why the logic that follows is that - what are the consequences if I do get caught?..... Nowhere near harsh enough in this case from my perspective (and most others it would seem)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    It dosnt feel like justice. Does that matter?

    Whatever about no jail time, I can see no justification for this guy getting his licence back, particularly when he himself admitted to turning to drink after this event. He has surely proven himself unable to use the roads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,902 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    Was looking at an American docu on tv last night. A cop had pulled in a suspected drunk driver. A big suv-type vehicle flew by and clipped the cop with a wing mirror. Two following drivers saw the incident and chased the flying driver. eventually blocking him in. That driver got 11 yrs in the clink. The cop made a full recovery. Maybe some of that type of punishment may not go astray here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    tobdom wrote: »
    I don't think people think like that though..... anyone who takes the car & chances it, their thinking, "I wonder is there any fear of coming across a checkpoint or meeting Gardai"...... "gees I might kill myself/someone else" doesn't really enter into the thought process as far as I'm concerned.

    that's why the logic that follows is that - what are the consequences if I do get caught?..... Nowhere near harsh enough in this case from my perspective (and most others it would seem)

    I wonder would people think more if the consequences was a lifetime/long-term driving ban if caught. Prison is something for criminals and people that drink and drive probably don't think they're criminals.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Skyfloater wrote: »
    How many pints would an average man have to have to get to .272?

    I worked it out to be about 9, assuming he weighed 80kg.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Skyfloater wrote: »
    How many pints would an average man have to have to get to .272?
    Impossible to say, but it's around the point where you wake up in the morning and have flashbacks of getting home where you were the guy bouncing off walls and tripping over kerbs, muttering to yourself, while people walking by stare at you and make comments about how drunk you are.

    Now, the test is done after you're brought to the station, so if this guy had jumped straight in the car after leaving the pub, he could have had 3 pints in his belly, so his BAC was lower when he crashed than it was in the station after the 3 pints got into his bloodstream. But nevertheless it would have been well in excess of 0.2, which is around the point that anyone would say you've had enough and need to be brought home.


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