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  • #1652
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    irishfan9 wrote: »

    Aaron Browne a high profile u20 second row who seems to have given up the game after injuries.

    Was playing with old Wesley at the start of the season i thought


  • #1653
    irishfan9
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭irishfan9


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Was playing with old Wesley at the start of the season i thought

    hasnt played all season.


  • #1654
    irishfan9
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Would rate Baird ahead of Dunne based on sct but haven’t seen Dunne play ail or for ireland

    both are academy worthy IMO, but rate Baird as best 2nd row prospect since James Ryan.

    both are better prospects than Dowling IMO


  • #1655
    irishfan9
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    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    If it is limited to 5 more my best guess at who will get in would be Silvester, SOB/Dean, Paddy Paterson and 2 of Cormac/Jack Dunne/Max/Clarke.

    My guess pre 6 nations:

    Cormac Daly(2nd row)
    Jack Dunne(2nd row)
    Max Kearney(Backrow)
    Patrick Patterson(Scrumhalf)
    Harry Byrne(Outhalf)(u19)
    Conor Dean(Outhalf)
    David Hawkshaw(Centre)(u19)
    Michael Silvester(Fullback)


  • #1656
    stellenbosch
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Would rate Baird ahead of Dunne based on sct but haven’t seen Dunne play ail or for ireland

    Dunne has been outstanding for Trinity this year-totally at ease with Div 1A


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  • #1657
    stellenbosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭stellenbosch


    irishfan9 wrote: »
    My guess pre 6 nations:

    Cormac Daly(2nd row)
    Jack Dunne(2nd row)
    Max Kearney(Backrow)
    Patrick Patterson(Scrumhalf)
    Harry Byrne(Outhalf)(u19)
    Conor Dean(Outhalf)
    David Hawkshaw(Centre)(u19)
    Michael Silvester(Fullback)

    Have seen Dean a few times this year and not impressed-goal kicking not consistent and doesnt command a presence at 10. In Marys he is definitely behind Sean Kearns. Dont see him as a pro whatsoever


  • #1658
    irishfan9
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    stellenbosch wrote: »
    Have seen Dean a few times this year and not impressed-goal kicking not consistent and doesnt command a presence at 10. In Marys he is definitely behind Sean Kearns. Dont see him as a pro whatsoever

    we shall see how he goes at ireland u20 level.

    But he is clearly rated in Leinster as he has been involved with A teams since last season.

    I'd rate Harry Byrne ahead of him though and could see a scenario where Dean doesn't get a deal from Leinster.


  • #1659
    Jimmy Savory Refrigeration
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    I know it's a bit of a guessing game for guys still in school, but Hawkshaw has potential to go on and be pretty good by the looks of things?


  • #1660
    irishfan9
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    stellenbosch wrote: »
    Dunne has been outstanding for Trinity this year-totally at ease with Div 1A

    Yeah, I really rate him.


  • #1661
    stellenbosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭stellenbosch


    irishfan9 wrote: »
    we shall see how he goes at ireland u20 level.

    But he is clearly rated in Leinster as he has been involved with A teams since last season.

    I'd rate Harry Byrne ahead of him though and could see a scenario where Dean doesn't get a deal from Leinster.

    Totally agree and dont know why Leinster rate him so highly-C Frawley is a better 10 and L A playing him at 15 which i just dont understand


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  • #1662
    irishfan9
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    Frawley is an interesting one, I don't think they see him as having a future at professional level at 10.

    He is a good to very good athlete, 15 could be a better long term fit than 10 or 12.

    On Dean, Peter Smyth has a long term connection to him so they may play a factor.. i've been saying for awhile that what happens with Dean/Byrne/Hawkshaw would be interesting.


  • #1663
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    stellenbosch wrote: »
    Have seen Dean a few times this year and not impressed-goal kicking not consistent and doesnt command a presence at 10. In Marys he is definitely behind Sean Kearns. Dont see him as a pro whatsoever

    Sean kearns hasn’t been ahead of him since the Blackrock final in 2013 when dean was on the bench while being underage for jct, also two years starting 10 for Irish 18s and Irish 20s , sounds like a future pro to me


  • #1664
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    irishfan9 wrote: »
    we shall see how he goes at ireland u20 level.

    But he is clearly rated in Leinster as he has been involved with A teams since last season.

    I'd rate Harry Byrne ahead of him though and could see a scenario where Dean doesn't get a deal from Leinster.

    Don’t think Byrne is ahead of him to be honest and although Byrne might play 6 nations this year he might not start next year


  • #1665
    irishfan9
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Don’t think Byrne is ahead of him to be honest and although Byrne might play 6 nations this year he might not start next year

    I think it's pretty close right now and Byrne is a year younger, long term i'd rate Byrne higher.. but it's early and could change based on 6 nations.

    Byrne may not start next season, but he may this, worry about next season, next season.


  • #1666
    irishfan9
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Sean kearns hasn’t been ahead of him since the Blackrock final in 2013 when dean was on the bench while being underage for jct, also two years starting 10 for Irish 18s and Irish 20s , sounds like a future pro to me

    Yeah he is a future academy player, is that at Leinster?

    I'd say that's debatable now, will know better post 6 nations.


  • #1667
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    irishfan9 wrote: »
    I think it's pretty close right now and Byrne is a year younger, long term i'd rate Byrne higher.. but it's early.

    Byrne may not start next season, but he may this.

    We will worry about next season, next season.


    Quick question , where do you see hawkshaw fitting in for Irish 20s next year ? Only place I can see him gettin In is at 12 and he’ll be up against some strong competition from the 2 Munster lads and kernohan


  • #1668
    stellenbosch
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Sean kearns hasn’t been ahead of him since the Blackrock final in 2013 when dean was on the bench while being underage for jct, also two years starting 10 for Irish 18s and Irish 20s , sounds like a future pro to me

    As i said-in Marys he is


  • #1669
    irishfan9
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Quick question , where do you see hawkshaw fitting in for Irish 20s next year ? Only place I can see him gettin In is at 12 and he’ll be up against some strong competition from the 2 Munster lads and kernohan

    it really depends what position he plays.. too early to call now

    2 munster lads being who? O'Gorman and ?


  • #1670
    MDunne14
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    stellenbosch wrote: »
    As i said-in Marys he is

    Seems to me dean plays all the big games for Mary’s


  • #1671
    stellenbosch
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Seems to me dean plays all the big games for Mary’s

    Check the team sheets in UBL-he doesnt when SK is available


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  • #1672
    Tarf1234
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    Overall talent I'd go Hawkshaw - Byrne - Dean. Hawkshaw the only one for me who might not be a 10 long term. Can't really see Dean being at Leinster long term if he does get an academy contract.


  • #1673
    MDunne14
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    it really depends what position he plays.. too early to call now

    2 munster lads being who? O'Gorman and ?

    Kieran Dunne! Yeah it’s hard to call it’ll depend on how they want to play I guess but it will be interesting to see how hawkshaw adapts to being in the centre


  • #1674
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    irishfan9 wrote: »
    it really depends what position he plays.. too early to call now

    2 munster lads being who? O'Gorman and ?

    Kieran Dunne! Yeah it’s hard to call it’ll depend on how they want to play I guess but it will be interesting to see how hawkshaw adapts to being in the centre


  • #1675
    irishfan9
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    I wouldn't worry about him adapting to centre, he has all the skills/talent needed. Physcially he's be short for the position but he is fairly well built.


  • #1676
    Sudolife
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    Hawkshaw named at 12 for Belvo vs Gonzaga in the first round of the Senior Cup


  • #1677
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    irishfan9 wrote: »
    I wouldn't worry about him adapting to centre, he has all the skills/talent needed. Physcially he's be short for the position but he is fairly well built.

    Ya I agree his size will be the only issue , his running game probably suited more to 13 but can’t see him starting there personally but as a second receiver at 12 would work


  • #1678
    irishfan9
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    Sudolife wrote: »
    Hawkshaw named at 12 for Belvo vs Gonzaga in the first round of the Senior Cup

    Meagher at 10?


  • #1679
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    Sudolife wrote: »
    Hawkshaw named at 12 for Belvo vs Gonzaga in the first round of the Senior Cup

    Really? Who’s at 10? They did the same with Jennings in his final year to give hawksahw the shot at 10 so there not afraid of big calls


  • #1680
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    irishfan9 wrote: »
    Meagher at 10?

    Him and Eoin Barr could will be a big match up in the context of the match


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  • #1681
    Sudolife
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Really? Who’s at 10? They did the same with Jennings in his final year to give hawksahw the shot at 10 so there not afraid of big calls

    A 5th Year, Justin Leonard


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