Why are we all sooo tired??

Baraics Pollox · 16-01-2018 01:50PM

Mince pies.

In honesty, I find this time of year personally saps motivation, energy and mental health down the drain.

Slowly coming back up from it with each day though. Last night I had the options to sit on my backside or go out to work on a project and I decided to stick the hat and warm clothes on and get on with it. I enjoyed my evening for the first time in what has felt like ages. Feel the better of it today.

Definitely being active, working on projects/hobbies gives me energy and it becomes a routine by about spring!

Rave.ef · 16-01-2018 01:53PM

Seanachai wrote: »

I think people have a lot on their minds, not that our parents and grandparents didn't, but it seems that even if you have a good income these days, you're still struggling. Worry messes up your sleep and you end up not feeling refreshed, which is the whole point of sleep.

I'm now living in a flat in an old building with no sound protection from the tenant above and she likes to talk loudly on skype and sing until 3-4 am. I can't afford to move somewhere else so there's days where I'm walking around like a zombie. I'm even looking at getting prescribed something like provigil to overcome some of the tiredness.

If I could make some money I'd leave the city and put a wood cabin or a mobile on a plot where I'm from and just live simple. I'm 35 and I don't see any merit in the rat race any longer.

It's catch 22 no matter where you live every euro you earn is already spent and the little disposable income you have by the end of the month youd be lucky to have a night out. I can totally see why people can't get to sleep at night and are like zombies during the day. My wife would be lucky to sleep 3 to 4 hours a night even tho we are probably what youd call comfortable now days but still wouldn't be anywhere near what comfortable would have been 10 12 years ago. Iv love to adopt a hippy life style I think worries would be few and far between.

valoren · 16-01-2018 01:54PM

She was 13 months old yesterday.

The_Valeyard · 16-01-2018 02:18PM

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Seanachai · 16-01-2018 02:33PM

Rave.ef wrote: »

It's catch 22 no matter where you live every euro you earn is already spent and the little disposable income you have by the end of the month youd be lucky to have a night out. I can totally see why people can't get to sleep at night and are like zombies during the day. My wife would be lucky to sleep 3 to 4 hours a night even tho we are probably what youd call comfortable now days but still wouldn't be anywhere near what comfortable would have been 10 12 years ago. Iv love to adopt a hippy life style I think worries would be few and far between.

You'd still have worries, but you wouldn't feel as much strain in terms of being pushed and pulled this way and that way. They say that it takes about ten years to become mostly self-sufficient, you would still need some sort of income.

Even those of us in pretty decent jobs are working like dogs to make other people very wealthy, the pace that has built up in this country since the boom can be dizzying at times, we've swapped booze for coffee and a frantic kind of lifestyle.

The Rape of Lucretia · 16-01-2018 02:37PM

snowgal wrote: »

so is everyone the same?? and if so why are we?

(assuming it is not illness hopefully)

Three things :

- women not staying at home to mind children. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Household chores and childminding still have to be done, whether done directly by both parters to varying degrees, or by extra work effort to be able to afford child minders, cleaners, etc.

- increasing social mobility and expectations. In a time of more rigid class society, more people accepted their position, whatever it was. Today, there is a stronger pressure to advance, and a possibility to strive and increase position, job status, income, wealth, etc.

- rising availability of and means to particiate in myriad entertainment and leisure options means people spend more of their time doing them. Travelling, sporting, going out, etc. In the past, they were either not available or affordable by only a few. So the general majority spent more time doing little or nothing - in fact - resting.

Seanachai · 16-01-2018 02:50PM

Pepperpan wrote: »

Bullsh1t, what evidence is there that people work harder today than in the past.

People are just being stupid and going to bed too late.

This is something I've been speaking about to people for a while now, my parents and older people agree. People did back breaking physical work, worked from when they were young children, postmen like my granddad cycled in all sorts of weather etc. I also do physical work, but a lot of the time we're under pressure, either from wound up clients or some foreman who is also under pressure.

The crucial difference is the pace, people knew how to rest up properly and they weren't running about like blue a**ed flies like we are now. We've fallen for the trick that doing all that overtime and keeping the boss sweet will have long-term benefit, it doesn't, it just leaves you as a tired wreck in your thirties.

My grandparents used to stay up late singing, night visiting, ahem poaching etc etc, yet they were fresh and energetic up to the time of their deaths. The life is being drained out of us by the type and pace of work we're doing. Working at a computer for 8-10 hours a day in a busy environment with time constraints can be a lot more draining than digging trenches or laying blocks at your own pace.

Seanachai · 16-01-2018 02:54PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

(assuming it is not illness hopefully)

Three things :

- women not staying at home to mind children. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Household chores and childminding still have to be done, whether done directly by both parters to varying degrees, or by extra work effort to be able to afford child minders, cleaners, etc.

- increasing social mobility and expectations. In a time of more rigid class society, more people accepted their position, whatever it was. Today, there is a stronger pressure to advance, and a possibility to strive and increase position, job status, income, wealth, etc.

- rising availability of and means to particiate in myriad entertainment and leisure options means people spend more of their time doing them. Travelling, sporting, going out, etc. In the past, they were either not available or affordable by only a few. So the general majority spent more time doing little or nothing - in fact - resting.

Their is ferocious pressure to 'advance', people should ask themselves if they are really 'advancing' or just making a small bunch of people in their company, firm etc wealthier. Learning to live with less stuff and comforts would take a lot of pressure off.

WoollyRedHat · 16-01-2018 02:58PM

We've all been running on that hamster wheel for too long.

Coffee Fulled Runner · 16-01-2018 03:25PM

Poor diets, lack of excercise would be my guess. Looking at phone and tablet screens before going to bed isn't helping either. 7 to 8 hours sleep seems to be what the majority of people need but some people can cope with less.

Snowseer · 16-01-2018 08:09PM

seamus wrote: »

I dunno, I'm skeptical about this "blue light" stuff, it may just be pop science and pop psychology.

I've been using computers and screens for years, as late as you like, and never noticed any effect (negative or positive) on my sleep patterns.

What I notice with my kids is that the later they watch something, the more stimulated they are, the more difficulty they have sleeping.

So I'm starting to think that it's just that simple - the whole red light/blue light/circadian rhythm/sleep cycle stuff is a red herring, and it's just to do with peoples' minds being overstimulated by new content when they should be avoiding it and winding down for sleep. Prehistoric man sat around fires telling old stories and singing old songs; winding the brain down with familiar and comfortable entertainment rather than new and exciting stuff.

Granted, I'm a sample size of one, but I haven't seen any proper studies about it, just hypotheses and representative anecdotes from psychologists.

I’d agree with this. If I’m reading a book on my phone, I’ll fall asleep fine. If I’m on the internet browsing this, then looking up that, then searching for something else, my brain doesn’t get to shut off.

The fact that you can be always “on” doesn’t help.
Work email / Skypes can come through any time and, for me, I tend to look, and respond if needed. Nicer is messages from friends, but the days of having dinner, clearing up, and having a relatively scheduled evening of tv / chatting / next day preparation, whatever, are now unexpectedly digitally interrupted - be it a good or bad interruption. I think it’s much harder to switch off.

Saying that, I’m sure the a lot of the guys working on the pyramids were tired a lot too. Plus ca change..

DEFTLEFTHAND · 16-01-2018 08:20PM

At times it can take me 2 to 3 hours to fall asleep naturally so that really eats into my sleeptime. I go into a coma once I finally do fall asleep and I'm like a zombie when the alarm goes.

EPAndlee · 16-01-2018 08:29PM

I get up at 6 everyday of the week even tho I don't start work until 9 and have a 15 minute commute. I like to go for a walk and just chill out before work. You can't be rushing out the door every morning

I-like-eggs,mmm · 16-01-2018 09:00PM

Apart from all that’s been mentioned like poor diet, excess caffeine, lack of exercise and too much blue screen time... get your thyroid function bloods checked maybe? I’ve had an under active thyroid for nearly 4 years now and my god does it lower your energy levels and your general “get up & go”. Also, lots of napping and feeling tired most of the time. The medication helps somewhat, but for me it hasn’t completely taken away symptoms.

I’m not sure will the mods allow me to make such a suggestion and apologies if not. Just trying to help. Delete if inappropriate. Thanks.

irishgeo · 16-01-2018 09:05PM

Lack of fresh air. Our houses are liked sealed units these. No health fresh draught. I know myself. I go from car to work and back to the house most day. Not much fresh air there.

Aineoil · 16-01-2018 09:13PM

Lack of sun. I get up at 6 (in the dark), leave the house before 7 (in the dark). I get back to the house at round half 5 at the earliest, again it's dark.

16-01-2018 09:20PM

I used to be like that til i got my cpap. also with a few 3hour naps thrown in as i was constantly falling asleep.
Interesting about the blue screen stuff, i use f.lux on my laptop

i don't think wanting to stay in bed in the morning is tiredness related though - it's just so chilly!!

Loueln · 16-01-2018 09:34PM

Constant nagging

bodhrandude · 16-01-2018 09:35PM

Hibernating, keeping warm under the quilt.

donegaLroad · 16-01-2018 10:08PM

Vitamin deficiency, lack of sun in Ireland.

For Forks Sake · 16-01-2018 10:18PM

snowgal wrote: »

.Me, I always feel tired, everyday Id say, bar maybe a Sunday when Ive had a good sleep. Even this morning I really really wanted to stay in bed another hour but with work obviously couldn't. I dont have kids so thats not even my excuse! Im active enough and would be out doing rehearsals or something 4 or 5 nights at this time of year. Go to bed about 12.30/1.00 and up at 8.30. so is everyone the same?? and if so why are we?

Arra here, cry me a river.

_Brian · 16-01-2018 11:07PM

Insomnia here.
Awake for 2-4 hours most nights.

donegaLroad · 16-01-2018 11:09PM

My bedtime is around 2am, its always been around that time. Im up at 8:30

diomed · 16-01-2018 11:21PM

Sleep debt.
Everyone (except late teens) need about 8.5 hours sleep a day.
If you get less you are overdrawn by the shortfall.
An accumulation of sleep debt makes you unhappy and unenthusiastic.
You can not recover a debt of, for example, 30 hours, by sleeping 12 hours.
That just reduces the debt to 26 hours (30+8-12=26)..
To recover you must sleep more than 8.5 hours many times until the debt is paid.

Do not believe anyone who says they only sleep a few hours a night.

dresden8 · 16-01-2018 11:39PM

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/07/is-everything-you-think-you-know-about-depression-wrong-johann-hari-lost-connections

People are desperately unhappy with their sh1t lives.

Work is desperate. We are subject to maniacs doing soul breaking sh1te for work.

Seems right.

ChikiChiki · 16-01-2018 11:50PM

I think there is some truth on this. Would love to like to see depression and suicide stats compared with simpler past times. Things are a lot more complicated nowadays. Tons of societal pressures and expectations that for many are difficult to meet and keep on top of.

snowgal · 17-01-2018 03:35AM

Well here we go, awake now after an hour and half sleep. Went to bed at 12ish... Tho in fairness, tonight the snows on my mind

snowgal · 17-01-2018 03:41AM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Arra here, cry me a river.

Arra here, no idea why the writing in bold in quote??? What does that matter in terms of the topic? as a said, despite that still feel really tired... As do others?

17-01-2018 03:42AM

tritium wrote: »

For me, not getting to bed last night till 1:30 due to work pressure. Up at 6:30 to go and do it all again. That’s actually an improvement on the sweatshop that was 2017.

Mix that with a young family and presto, permanent tiredness!

Ww isn't work dude :P

misstearheus · 17-01-2018 05:01AM

Fibromyalgia/Chronic-pain/Chronic-Fatigue.

Why are we all sooo tired??

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