Non-Nationals attacking Taxi drivers in West Dublin

Dr Brown · 13-01-2018 10:29PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

why are Sweden getting it so wrong?

they are having issues yet it's meant be one of best countries to live in.

so what can we do that Sweden cant?

We should stop people coming here from "sh1thole countries".

muppetshow1451 · 13-01-2018 10:30PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

why are Sweden getting it so wrong?

they are having issues yet it's meant be one of best countries to live in.

so what can we do that Sweden cant?

Start with media to stop being so politically correct.

pitifulgod · 13-01-2018 10:31PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Yes if they lied to the government to obtain Citizenship ie fraud.

Then it should be revoked.

I don't see anything controversial about that unless of course you support fraud ?

You've not shown any proof that it's really a substantial issue. Also why is it that you respond immediately to that? But no response on why you're calling people who were most likely born and here 'non-nationals'... Do you think skin colour defines if you're Irish?

muppetshow1451 wrote: »

Start with media to stop being so politically correct.

Think you missed their point.. :P

Dr Brown · 13-01-2018 10:46PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

You've not shown any proof that it's really a substantial issue.

Irish government official Sean Deegan said that he vast "majority" of asylum seekers he met were bogus.

So yeah I would say it is a very substantial issue.

Also why is it that you respond immediately to that? But no response on why you're calling people who were most likely born and here 'non-nationals'... Do you think skin colour defines if you're Irish?

Think you missed their point.. :P

"Non-Nationals" is not my term.

Bubbaclaus · 13-01-2018 10:48PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Someone from a group of black teens shook their hand in that woman’s face and said ‘black power’ after she tried to move them on.

Your response was that she should have been more polite and it might not have happened.

That’s the gist of it. The posts are there for all to see and I stand by what I said.

I never even mentioned the colour of their skin in my post, so you've literally tried to make up some point I never made. You can stand by what you said all you like by it only makes you look like an idiot if you're going to accuse me of saying something that clearly isn't in my post.

I've reported your post anyway so hopefully the mods will take care of you.

pitifulgod · 13-01-2018 10:52PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Irish government official Sean Deegan said that he vast "majority" of asylum seekers he met were bogus.

So yeah I would say it is a very substantial issue.

"Non-Nationals" is not my term.

People born in Ireland are not 'non-nationals'......

Also I'd tend to call Deegan's view into question as he himself seems to have not understood what being a refugee entailed

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/07/03/out-of-500-cases-i-let-two-people-in/

If this gentleman she refers to had a job in his own country, why is he looking for the protection of this State – protection that he is claiming, as an asylum seeker, is not available to him in his home country, for such is what a real refugee is.

This man, clearly, is an economic migrant and not a refugee, similar to the undocumented Irish in the US.

Plenty of Syrian refugees had jobs in their home countries, that does not prevent them from being a refugee.

Dyr · 13-01-2018 11:02PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

The United States of America is an incredibly diverse country that was literally built on immigration of many ethnic minorities.

And yet still around 73% paleface

anewme · 13-01-2018 11:03PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I never even mentioned the colour of their skin in my post, so you've literally tried to make up some point I never made. You can stand by what you said all you like by it only makes you look like an idiot if you're going to accuse me of saying something that clearly isn't in my post.

I've reported your post anyway so hopefully the mods will take care of you.

You were making excuses for racist abuse and blaming it on the white person in a very condescending manner. You should learn to be nicer attitude and it would not happen.

Condoning racist abuse.

There’s no excuse for waving a fist in a woman's face and saying black power threateningly.

None.

Odhinn · 13-01-2018 11:06PM

anewme wrote: »

You were making excuses for racist abuse and blaming it on the white person in a very condescending manner. You should learn to be nicer attitude and it would not happen.

Condoning racist abuse.

There’s no excuse for waving a fist in a woman's face and saying black power threateningly.

None.

We're taking the anecdotal as fact now?

Bubbaclaus · 13-01-2018 11:08PM

anewme wrote: »

You were making excuses for racist abuse and blaming it on the white person in a very condescending manner. You should learn to be nicer attitude and it would not happen.

There’s no excuse for waving a fist in a woman's face and saying black power threateningly.

None.

I didn't say there was an excuse for it. My point was that teenagers can be rowdy for the sake of it and there's a way of handling it.

You also never stated in your original post that it was your third time going out to them. You implied you had stormed out and given out to them for an accident like some old grump.

Interesting how it's all 'Black' this and 'white' that in your posts about it though. All I see is a few rowdy teenagers acting up when they are being told what to do (which teenagers of all shapes, sizes and colours will tend to do believe it or not).

Sweetemotion · 13-01-2018 11:09PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I never even mentioned the colour of their skin in my post, so you've literally tried to make up some point I never made. You can stand by what you said all you like by it only makes you look like an idiot if you're going to accuse me of saying something that clearly isn't in my post.

I've reported your post anyway so hopefully the mods will take care of you.

Odhinn · 13-01-2018 11:11PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

why are Sweden getting it so wrong?

they are having issues yet it's meant be one of best countries to live in.

so what can we do that Sweden cant?

If the issues were that bad, then surely it wouldn't be still rated so highly?

Unless of course those issues were exaggerated out of all proportion.....

Sweetemotion · 13-01-2018 11:16PM

Odhinn wrote: »

If the issues were that bad, then surely it wouldn't be still rated so highly?

Unless of course those issues were exaggerated out of all proportion.....

Or hidden.

Odhinn · 13-01-2018 11:17PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Or hidden.

If they are hidden why would people be able to say there are issues, logically?

Will I Am Not · 13-01-2018 11:18PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I never even mentioned the colour of their skin in my post, so you've literally tried to make up some point I never made. You can stand by what you said all you like by it only makes you look like an idiot if you're going to accuse me of saying something that clearly isn't in my post.

I've reported your post anyway so hopefully the mods will take care of you.

The skin colour part wasn’t in your post but you absolutely would not be making excuses for someone saying ‘white power’. Not in a million years and rightly so but you did for the black kid, so yeah, I still stand by what I said.

anewme · 13-01-2018 11:23PM

Odhinn wrote: »

We're taking the anecdotal as fact now?

can you clarify what you mean please.?

Are you saying that did not happen.

I am relating a first hand experience.

Why would you say that?

I’d you are saying that it did not happen then you are calling me a liar and that’s not acceptable and an insult to my integrity.

Odhinn · 13-01-2018 11:25PM

anewme wrote: »

can you clarify what you mean please.?

Are you saying that did not happen.

I am relating a first hand experience.

Why would you say that?

.

Because of years about hearing about cars being bought by social welfare, free prams left at bustops, "de foreigners" openly "laughin at us" in conversation etc and so on.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-01-2018 11:25PM

Odhinn wrote: »

If the issues were that bad, then surely it wouldn't be still rated so highly?

Unless of course those issues were exaggerated out of all proportion.....

which to be fair it's not. Going by their media and on ground the ordinary person in generally feels it's been a bad move

Sweetemotion · 13-01-2018 11:26PM

Odhinn wrote: »

If they are hidden why would people be able to say there are issues, logically?

It is the people who are saying there are issues, They see it from living there.

Why are the media not reporting it?

Odhinn · 13-01-2018 11:27PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

which to be fair it's not. Going by their media and on ground the ordinary person in gemetal feels it's been a bad move

well people get selective about what "ordinary person" they quote. The country is still ranked as one of the best places to live in the world, however, which rather undermines the notion its a cesspit.

Odhinn · 13-01-2018 11:28PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

It is the people who are saying there are issues, They see it from living there.

Why are the media not reporting it?

....because its a load of mickey?

Sweetemotion · 13-01-2018 11:32PM

Odhinn wrote: »

....because its a load of mickey?

You know what? That's it, it's just a load of mickey.

You are right everybody else is wrong.

Rumpy Pumpy · 13-01-2018 11:32PM

Odhinn wrote: »

well people get selective about what "ordinary person" they quote. The country is still ranked as one of the best places to live in the world, however, which rather undermines the notion its a cesspit.

Thought a committed socialist such as yourself would fundamentally disagree with that ranking. People under the oppressive yoke of the employer class and all that. Profit before people.

Odhinn · 13-01-2018 11:33PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

You know what? That's it, it's just a load of mickey.

You are right everybody else is wrong.

I thought the media were wrong too? And the people that rank countries?

Sweetemotion · 13-01-2018 11:34PM

Odhinn wrote: »

I thought the media were wrong too? And the people that rank countries?

Everybody is wrong, only you are right.

Odhinn · 13-01-2018 11:35PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Everybody is wrong, only you are right.

Personalising the comment in order to avoid the facts.

If it was true, why wouldn't the media report on it?

The_Kew_Tour · 13-01-2018 11:36PM

Odhinn wrote: »

well people get selective about what "ordinary person" they quote. The country is still ranked as one of the best places to live in the world, however, which rather undermines the notion its a cesspit.

I never said it was. I said in my first post it's great place to live.

my point is that a liberal thinking country is now changing it's tune.

my question is what will Ireland do different?

what makes us special?

Bubbaclaus · 13-01-2018 11:37PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

The skin colour part wasn’t in your post but you absolutely would not be making excuses for someone saying ‘white power’. Not in a million years and rightly so but you did for the black kid, so yeah, I still stand by what I said.

So now you've moved on to:
1. Imagining something I might post, if
2. hypothetically a boards user made a post
3. about a scenario that didn't happen?

You can stand by that if you like, but you're making yourself look quite the fool by doing so. Maybe that's the look you're going for? Who knows, I'm not going to assume I know what you are striving for here.

Wibbs · 13-01-2018 11:45PM

Brian? wrote: »

What question? All I saw was the expected hand wringing about “social issues”.

Deflection. These are the facts. Ireland has its own "social issues". Countries with immigration beyond a certain percentage also have "social issues", but they have extra "social issues" entirely based on the immigrant population and the indigenous population clashing. N.B. I say both sides are guilty of it.

Avoiding the problems of immigrants integrating into society will have nothing to do with magic. If it happens it will be because we learn from our neighbours.

So yeah. Magic. At best a well intentioned hope. Nobody has so far "learned from their neighbours". Not one.

Deciding to generalise immigrants based on their skin time is part of the problem.

I didn't. Different skin colours just exacerbate existing tribalism, because it's easier for retards of all hues to point at the "other".

Brian? wrote: »

That’s some serious pontification.

Bugger me the irony is strong in this statement.

No one is denying there could be potential issues.

So again B, why import "potential issues" when we can chose to limit such issues out the gate? Simple question really.

People like you are part of the issue.

Oh sure, god forbid I point out holes in the multicultural argument.

Generalisation based on race is part of the problem. It leads to marginalisation and discrimination. Once ethnic minorities are marginalised you can then shout “I told you this wouldn’t work”. It’s exactly what happened in Britain and I can see it happening here.

Now we're finally getting somewhere. Yes we agree. :eek: We both can see it happening here in Ireland. It's already started as much of this thread illustrates. The difference between us is you hope we can navigate this and all be one big melting pot, because that's the right thing to do. And guess what B? I bloody well agree with you. It is the right thing to do. But ranged against that is I am a realist and the reality is it never works out. It adds to the fracture in a country and people. On all sides.

Is this the singular cause of the social issues in Britains ghettos? No. Is it a contributing factor? Yes.

Again why run this social experiment again, here? As Einstein apparently said: “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result each time”. And here we are again voting for insanity.

This narrow minded bull **** only makes things worse

One could argue we're both blessed with the ability to look through a keyhole with both eyes at once, the only difference being is that I can point to a myriad of examples where I've been proven more right than wrong and you would have a hard time to point out one example where you were more right than wrong.

Bambi wrote: »

And yet still around 73% paleface

Indeed. The original locals might have a point to pick regarding how immigration affected them.

Will I Am Not · 13-01-2018 11:45PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

So now you've moved on to:
1. Imagining something I might post, if
2. hypothetically a boards user made a post
3. about a scenario that didn't happen?

You can stand by that if you like, but you're making yourself look quite the fool by doing so. Maybe that's the look you're going for? Who knows, I'm not going to assume I know what you are striving for here.

I couldn’t give a sh*te how you or anyone else thinks I look. Your posts are there for everyone to see and I’d be surprised if many would draw a different conclusion.

You tried to excuse a racial taunt from a black person and having noticed some of your posts around here I concluded that you wouldn’t excuse it from a white person. Lock me up!!!

Non-Nationals attacking Taxi drivers in West Dublin

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