Journalism and cycling

Corca Baiscinn · 05-01-2018 05:04PM

‘How do you prove someone is 1.5 metres away?’ said Mr Ross according to that IT article.

1. One look at the "Near Miss" thread woud certainly show that you can prove that they weren't! Could you all send in those pics and videos to DTTS?

2. Funny how they seem to manage enforcement in numerous other countries and States (US/Australia) So is it our Law-Makers, Law Enforcers or Law -Breakers who are oddones out here?

3. Phil Skelton (Staying Alive @1.5) has done a lot of work showing how MPDL can be/is enforced, cameras/ road width v car wdith, smart technology etc but he always makes the point that MPDL is as much about education and that people who ride bikes would be delighted if there was never a need to prosecute because people who drive "get" it . Read his most recent FB post

Thinkingaboutit · 06-01-2018 03:59PM

Shane Ross shows that the proverbial chocolate tea can come to life, make noise, and become a politician. His comments are what would be expected from him.

CramCycle · 06-01-2018 07:45PM

Corca Baiscinn wrote: »

‘How do you prove someone is 1.5 metres away?’ said Mr Ross according to that IT article.

1. One look at the "Near Miss" thread woud certainly show that you can prove that they weren't! Could you all send in those pics and videos to DTTS?

Precisely, I wouldn't be looking to harass anyone who is close to 1.5m or further away from me, if someone passed me safely but it happened to be at 1m, I'd be fine. He is looking for issues that don't exist, distance etc is actually easy to show in the dangerous situations. If they disappear, then so does the need to prove the motorist is 1.5m away.

3. Phil Skelton (Staying Alive @1.5) has done a lot of work showing how MPDL can be/is enforced, cameras/ road width v car wdith, smart technology etc but he always makes the point that MPDL is as much about education and that people who ride bikes would be delighted if there was never a need to prosecute because people who drive "get" it . Read his most recent FB post

I'd go as far as it is more about education, I don't care if the driver is in the wrong but I am under his wheel, I'd prefer he knew he shouldn't be so close and the situation never arises. I certainly don't care if he gets 6 years in jail if I get 6 foot underground, I'd rather he gives me a safe pass and I give him a thumbs up or a wave.

ED E · 10-01-2018 12:55AM

Ireland is set to be the most obese country in the EU by 2030 according to the WHO. In episode 2 Dr Lara Dungan will explore why our society has turned its back on being active and identify what we can do to change.

https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/eco-eye-1112/10825040/

Cycling featurette contained within. Presenter gets cut up twice on the quays.

10-01-2018 01:21AM

RTE Still using flash I see, what times in the video ED?

ED E · 10-01-2018 01:25AM

Dont get me started on the player....

Jump 6 or 7 minutes in from the start.

10-01-2018 01:34AM

ED E wrote: »

Dont get me started on the player....

Jump 6 or 7 minutes in from the start.

Cheers

Still too mean to pay google the chrome cast fees I see, even my 60 year old mam curses "the player" for that reason while she squints at her phone lol

CramCycle · 10-01-2018 11:57AM

I seen her goign between the two buses and stopped watching
soon after. "I don't know what to do here?" Here is an idea, if your that uncomfortable/scared, don't go between two buses FFS I imagine there are loads looking at it and thought nothing of it.

The truck bit was crazy driving but is pretty normal in the world of no one can see you because your not a car and that is all they are looking for. Would have been far more entertaining telly if she followed the lorry and told me she had it all on camera, and when he laughed/shrugged/told her to F off, she pointed to the RTE film camera.

Deleted User wrote: »

Cheers

Still too mean to pay google the chrome cast fees I see, even my 60 year old mam curses "the player" for that reason while she squints at her phone lol

You have to pay fees to use chrome cast? I had an app that just broadcast whatever was on your phone screen to the chrome cast, not sure of the name now as I haven't used it since someone threw my phone on the ground and broke it.

eeeee · 10-01-2018 01:08PM

Re the bus, Wasn't the bus on her right stopped? I'm a line of traffic? Not ideal to go up in been them, given that the one on her left probably couldn't see her, but given that she's inexperienced I can see how it would happen - fight or flight type of situation, sometimes people just carry on.
I did once see a courier in front of me go up in between two moving buses, and bang his bars against both buses repeatedly on his way through, so tight was the space. He didn't even slow down. I couldn't believe what I was seeing!

Thought it was a good section actually, and dodgy bus pass aside a good example of what it's like to cycle along that stretch. The lorry moment would have engaged/terrified me, I have never had a HGV do that to me. Plenty of cars and vans though.

The DIT person was interesting too, I hope they part attention to desire lines in future. And the ridiculously difficult to access bus stops - having to walk 20 mins to get to a stop I The other side of a wall irritates the fcuk out of me, there are so many, my tiny mind boggles.

what_traffic · 10-01-2018 01:10PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I seen her goign between the two buses and stopped watching
soon after. "I don't know what to do here?" Here is an idea, if your that uncomfortable/scared, don't go between two buses FFS I imagine there are loads looking at it and thought nothing of it.

The truck bit was crazy driving but is pretty normal in the world of no one can see you because your not a car and that is all they are looking for.

I think she was trying to prove that point? i.e that is what a regular person who cycles in Dublin City have to put up with (not a cyclist). Thought it was a good show from Dr Dungan and the Eco Eye team, only issue with the show I would have is using Westport as a Model Cycling town. Contribution from DIT lecturer Lorraine Darcy was excellent in showing modern urban planning flaws in our towns and Citys.

Danbo! · 10-01-2018 01:16PM

Eco Eye contacted me about using footage for this episode a while back, but ultimately they didn't use it. They did mention however there would be further online-only episodes and may use the footage then.

ED E · 10-01-2018 07:51PM

This online clip has more than made the TV cut.

https://www.facebook.com/ecoeye15/videos/821760518031613/?hc_ref=ARQoouMvyVfevwbf6SdrgxMB4gy08-NzJBzPxzxmspAobX7LmJDC58o_xRkSGDvofPE

EDIT: That green van is you is not Danbo?

eeeee · 10-01-2018 08:02PM

Heather from CI spoke very well.

Danbo! · 10-01-2018 08:22PM

ED E wrote: »

This online clip has more than made the TV cut.

https://www.facebook.com/ecoeye15/videos/821760518031613/?hc_ref=ARQoouMvyVfevwbf6SdrgxMB4gy08-NzJBzPxzxmspAobX7LmJDC58o_xRkSGDvofPE

EDIT: That green van is you is not Danbo?

Aye, along with a few others in there.

ThisRegard · 12-01-2018 11:38PM

Paused a movie while my wife sorts out the bickering kids upstairs and stumbled upon some monstrosity of a rip off of Room 101 except with a ****ty dust bin on The Late Late Show. Anyway the clowns in the audience and panel voted to dump "arrogant cyclists who cycle two or three abreast". Maura Derrane was the one who brought that up.

andy69 · 12-01-2018 11:48PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Paused a movie while my wife sorts out the bickering kids upstairs and stumbled upon some monstrosity of a rip off of Room 101 except with a ****ty dust bin on The Late Late Show. Anyway the clowns in the audience and panel voted to dump "arrogant cyclists who cycle two or three abreast". Maura Derrane was the one who brought that up.

Saw that myself just by chance. Couldn't believe it. My wife spoke over one part where I thought yerwoman made some sort of gesture like bumping us off the road or something but I couldn't hear what she said. Will watch it back on the dreaded player tomorrow.
But she "likes cycling and cyclists...it's just the ones who cycle 3 and 4 abreast...on country roads...the arrogant ones". FFS and the the entire audience voted to dump cyclists into the bin.

Pinch Flat · 12-01-2018 11:52PM

Yeah apparently arrogant cyclists cycle 3 or 4 abreast. Has anyone pointed out that even on a specifically designed road like a motorway carraigeway (yeah I know cyclists can’t use them) that this is impossible?

tomasrojo · 12-01-2018 11:55PM

Ross Noble got applause from the audience when he did much the same on Room 101. He mentioned that he didn't mind mountain bikers and the like, who didn't use the road.

13-01-2018 12:18AM

Wouldn't it have been great if there was a guest on she didn't know was a cyclist and got schooled on the reason for going 2 abreast and why it's safer for all concerned on live TV even the RSA ad nearly gets that right. I've never in my life felt an urge to contact the broadcasting authority but I do now :mad:

tampopo · 13-01-2018 01:56AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Paused a movie while my wife sorts out the bickering kids upstairs and stumbled upon some monstrosity of a rip off of Room 101 except with a ****ty dust bin on The Late Late Show. Anyway the clowns in the audience and panel voted to dump "arrogant cyclists who cycle two or three abreast". Maura Derrane was the one who brought that up.

She said four abreast

ThisRegard · 13-01-2018 01:57AM

tampopo wrote: »

She said four abreast

They said pretty much every number starting at 2.

Lumen · 13-01-2018 09:14AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Yeah apparently arrogant cyclists cycle 3 or 4 abreast. Has anyone pointed out that even on a specifically designed road like a motorway carraigeway (yeah I know cyclists can’t use them) that this is impossible?

Its perfectly possible to cycle four abreast in one lane of a normal road, as any A4 racer can attest :pac:

Tenzor07 · 13-01-2018 12:01PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Ross Noble got applause from the audience when he did much the same on Room 101. He mentioned that he didn't mind mountain bikers and the like, who didn't use the road.

MTB'er don't get away with it either, as soon as they move from cars onto two feet, the attitudes follow...

AndrewJRenko · 13-01-2018 12:04PM

andy69 wrote: »

Saw that myself just by chance. Couldn't believe it. My wife spoke over one part where I thought yerwoman made some sort of gesture like bumping us off the road or something but I couldn't hear what she said. Will watch it back on the dreaded player tomorrow.
But she "likes cycling and cyclists...it's just the ones who cycle 3 and 4 abreast...on country roads...the arrogant ones". FFS and the the entire audience voted to dump cyclists into the bin.

Topped off by a derogatory little dig at public transport users from the slightly nasty Eoin Colfer.

magicbastarder · 13-01-2018 12:07PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Maura Derrane was the one who brought that up.

and in the way of these things nowadays, someone has dug up an article referring to her being done for speeding:

https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/local-news/72856/TV-presenter-must-appear-on-speeding.html

andy69 · 13-01-2018 12:07PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Topped off by a derogatory little dig at public transport users from the slightly nasty Eoin Colfer.

Yeah noticed that actually....like they were bragging that only one of the panel might have used public transport in the last 20yrs. As if that's a good thing.
So smug

Pinch Flat · 13-01-2018 12:24PM

Lumen wrote: »

Its perfectly possible to cycle four abreast in one lane of a normal road, as any A4 racer can attest :pac:

Ah yeah fair enough racing is on closed roads and there’s unlikely to be a motorist overtaking.

She’s referring to normal Freds like me who go out on group spins in groups of 10 or 12. We’ll be out around west Dublin and Meath tomorrow morning, seven abreast at 15kph, eagerly searching for motorists to “hold up”. ..:pac:

koutoubia · 13-01-2018 12:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't it have been great if there was a guest on she didn't know was a cyclist and got schooled on the reason for going 2 abreast and why it's safer for all concerned on live TV even the RSA ad nearly gets that right. I've never in my life felt an urge to contact the broadcasting authority but I do now :mad:

Normally I would just shrug those clips off with a MEH! but that was a despiciable clip with cyclists being compared to farm animals.

RobertFoster · 13-01-2018 12:49PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Ah yeah fair enough racing is on closed roads and there’s unlikely to be a motorist overtaking.

Not in Ireland. Racing is on open roads, the ROTR still apply though blind eyes are often turned...

tomasrojo · 13-01-2018 01:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't it have been great if there was a guest on she didn't know was a cyclist and got schooled on the reason for going 2 abreast and why it's safer for all concerned on live TV

I often daydream about going "The Filth and the Fury" on smug shows.

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