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_Dara_ · 05-01-2018 05:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dougal hasn't held back in his deep dislike and demeaning attitude towards certain threads. I'm not going to sit back and see a community be ripped to shreds.

Criticising a thread is not the same as singling out an individual. And you well know it. But at least the above is a tacit admission that you are on the defensive over criticism of chat threads.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 05-01-2018 05:07PM

This thread just shows how threads die off. Constant repetition of the same points by the same people. Bitching creeping in. The original premise of the thread swallowed up in an obsession by a few on one small issue as the cause of the fall back in activity across all of Boards, without any substantive proof other than they personally don't like something.
If nothing else this thread, by it's own evolution, will stand as an example of some of the issues the OP wanted addressed but not in a good way.

/out.

pilly · 05-01-2018 05:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dougal hasn't held back in his deep dislike and demeaning attitude towards certain threads. I'm not going to sit back and see a community be ripped to shreds.

The drama! Seriously. :pac::pac:

_Dara_ · 05-01-2018 05:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Now it's a few posters griping quite narkily about something they don't like, and repeating themselves at length as if the problem was everyone else's reading comprehension rather than maybe considering that their points have been understood the first time but yknow....just not agreed with or whatever

I note that you have neglected to mention digs and pettiness from people defending chat threads, yourself included.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 05-01-2018 05:10PM

Could somebody please overmoderate this clusterfcuk so we can move on?

_Dara_ · 05-01-2018 05:10PM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

The sniping in this thread is one of the reasons why I tend to post in the chatty threads and not in the other threads in AH. Maybe some posters get off on getting a dig in at others but I don't. I also don't enjoy arguing with people over the colour of the sky or something equally as unimportant and tedious, ad nauseam. Why people would prefer this over light-hearted, funny, amusing, touching chat threads with a great community spirit, I will never understand.

Some of the sniping on this thread has come from prominent members of chat threads. Not a great advert for them, tbh.

05-01-2018 05:11PM

This literally went downhill in the space of ten or fifteen minutes while I made a cup of tea. And it was going so well and so civilly.

Tom Mann Centuria · 05-01-2018 05:13PM

Candie wrote: »

This literally went downhill in the space of ten or fifteen minutes while I made a cup of tea. And it was going so well and so civilly.

So it's your fault!

05-01-2018 05:13PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

I note that you have neglected to mention digs and pettiness from people defending chat threads, yourself included.

Couldn't give two dry sh1ts about chat threads but there's no reason your personal dislike of them or the sight of them on your new answers page should have dominated the last thirty pages or whatever

If that's a dig, hand me a shovel.

GreeBo · 05-01-2018 05:14PM

Candie wrote: »

This literally went downhill in the space of ten or fifteen minutes while I made a cup of tea. And it was going so well and so civilly.

I assume you made enough for everyone?

Will there be biscuits provided or is it a BYOB affair?

05-01-2018 05:17PM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

So it's your fault!

Sorry, daddy.

NollagShona · 05-01-2018 05:18PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

I agreed with going elsewhere, that doesn't mean reddit.

The "if you don't like X, do Y" argument is a lazy and simplistic one. Whenever and wherever it's deployed. Why bother criticising anything? Every single person who deploys that line of argument has themselves at some stage criticised something. People criticise things in the hopes of making them better.

If you like X and not Y, use X not Y was my point. So simple I didn’t think it could be misinterpreted- I was wrong.

_Dara_ · 05-01-2018 05:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Couldn't give two dry sh1ts about chat threads but there's no reason your personal dislike of them or the sight of them on your new answers page should have dominated the last thirty pages or whatever

There's a good handful of forum member posting criticisms of them, and that's very obvious from reading the thread. The topic is clearly generating a lot of discussion.

Yup, I dislike them taking over AH and I'm vocal about it. I think I have solid reasoning for that position, it's not an irrational dislike. Why does that bother you so much?

Beasty · 05-01-2018 05:20PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

And what happens if we see another couple of threads that morph into chat threads? Up to 8 then...and then another couple?

If that's what the users want, then so be it. There are plenty of other forums, and I readily admit AH is not one I normally get heavily into (except for the past week or so I guess!)

If I look at the foot of the forum I see 232 members and 243 guests on AH at present. That's about twice as many individuals as have contributed to this thread.

At site level the figures are 1.7k and 3.5k. A lot of people do still seem to participate. I'm not saying there are no shortcomings - there most certainly are and this thread has highlighted some. I just don't think the topic of "chatty" threads warrants the attention it's currently getting here (but again that's a personal view)

NollagShona · 05-01-2018 05:21PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

There's a good handful of forum member posting criticisms of them, and that's very obvious from reading the thread. The topic is clearly generating a lot of discussion.

Yup, I dislike them taking over AH and I'm vocal about it. I think I have solid reasoning for that position, it's not an irrational dislike. Why does that bother you so much?

How many is a good handful?

Would you agree that being able to hide threads would be a solution to this?

_Dara_ · 05-01-2018 05:23PM

NollagShona wrote: »

How many is a good handful?

Several, a fair few, etc.

Would you agree that being able to hide threads would be a solution to this?

Yes, it would be a good solution. Techy feedback suggestions tend to go ignored though.

NollagShona · 05-01-2018 05:25PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Several, a fair few, etc.

Yes, it would be a good solution. Techy feedback suggestions tend to go ignored though.

Great so we have some common ground.

I’d hide all the xenophobic dog whistling threads
You’d hide the chat threads
Others hide their irritations

Admin, can it be done?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 05-01-2018 05:27PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

There's a good handful of forum member posting criticisms of them, and that's very obvious from reading the thread. The topic is clearly generating a lot of discussion.

Yup, I dislike them taking over AH and I'm vocal about it. I think I have solid reasoning for that position, it's not an irrational dislike. Why does that bother you so much?

You have made your point. It is made. It has been read. It has been understood. Nobody, absolutely nobody is unclear that you and the others dislike the chat threads or why. It is generating a lot of discussion in large part because you won't drop it, are taking it pretty personally and are responding to civil questions and disagreement with simplistic that lazy the other blah blah BLAH.

The irony of you complaining about chat threads impacting the enjoyment that you and other users get from the forum and saying they're a minority interest and then commandeering a thread to repeat yourself on that point, to the degree that barely any other issues have been discussed for the last few hours is crazy.

Yes there are other posters who feel the same, they're generally posting to a far higher standard though.

Fr_Dougal · 05-01-2018 05:28PM

Beasty wrote: »

If that's what the users want, then so be it. There are plenty of other forums, and I readily admit AH is not one I normally get heavily into (except for the past week or so I guess!)

If I look at the foot of the forum I see 232 members and 243 guests on AH at present. That's about twice as many individuals as have contributed to this thread.

At site level the figures are 1.7k and 3.5k. A lot of people do still seem to participate. I'm not saying there are no shortcomings - there most certainly are and this thread has highlighted some. I just don't think the topic of "chatty" threads warrants the attention it's currently getting here (but again that's a personal view)

It’s a minority of posters who want them/contribute to them, but the minority effect the entire forum, Beasty. How would you have liked 6 chat threads in Cycling when you were modding it? Chats not about races/events/bikes etc., but general chitchat?

There’s probably a middle ground to accommodate everyone, but having 6 chat threads, with the endless potential for even more chat threads will kill the Forum.

_Dara_ · 05-01-2018 05:32PM

Keira Thankful Target wrote: »

Yes there are other posters who feel the same, they're generally posting to a far higher standard though.

That is totally unfair. I have given a lot of thought to my posts on-thread, I have explained my logic well, I think. Many of my posts have received support.

And again, I note, the many of the poor quality posts in defence of chat threads are being given a pass despite many of them being quite petty. Not surprising at all though. And ably demonstrates the cliquey nature of such threads. You're not a regular on chat threads, grand, but you're protective towards their members anyway, despite petty, dismissive, undermining posts coming from prominent members of those threads. Any some of those posts came early in the criticism of such threads too.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 05-01-2018 05:34PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s a minority of posters who want them/contribute to them, but the minority effect the entire forum, Beasty. How would you have liked 6 chat threads in Cycling when you were modding it? Chats not about races/events/bikes etc., but general chitchat?

There’s probably a middle ground to accommodate everyone, but having 6 chat threads, with the endless potential for even more chat threads will kill the Forum.

The trivial annoyance and happy threads could probably be merged at least, in fairness.

05-01-2018 05:35PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Criticising a thread is not the same as singling out an individual. And you well know it. But at least the above is a tacit admission that you are on the defensive over criticism of chat threads.

Of course I am!

05-01-2018 05:35PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s a minority of posters who want them/contribute to them, but the minority effect the entire forum, Beasty. How would you have liked 6 chat threads in Cycling when you were modding it? Chats not about races/events/bikes etc., but general chitchat?

There’s probably a middle ground to accommodate everyone, but having 6 chat threads, with the endless potential for even more chat threads will kill the Forum.

How about a two month trial of a single, all-inclusive, strictly sole chat thread? It'd clear up the page and not be too onerous to ignore, and posters stay put in AH and interact with all the regulars from all the threads?

I don't mind the chats, but there could be fewer. I don't want people moving to a sub forum because I like having them around AH, most of them are lovely.

If no other chat threads are allowed, it'd be a decent compromise to have an all-encompassing single one for those inclined to enjoy, surely?

_Dara_ · 05-01-2018 05:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course I am!

Well, attacking a thread is not the same as attacking an individual. So attacking a individual because someone criticised a forum you post in is totally unjustified. And again, well you know it.

It's not a great impression to give of threads that are supposed to be welcoming, feelgood places, now is it?

05-01-2018 05:46PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Well, attacking a thread is not the same as attacking an individual. So attacking a individual because someone criticised a forum you post in is totally unjustified. And again, well you know it.

It's not a great impression to give of threads that are supposed to be welcoming, feelgood places, now is it?

Forgive my humanness.

retro:electro · 05-01-2018 05:52PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Well, attacking a thread is not the same as attacking an individual. So attacking a individual because someone criticised a forum you post in is totally unjustified. And again, well you know it.

It's not a great impression to give of threads that are supposed to be welcoming, feelgood places, now is it?

Ah here he was hardly attacked.

_Dara_ · 05-01-2018 05:54PM

anna080 wrote: »

Ah here he was hardly attacked.

Is your job on this thread to just completely dismiss everything?

retro:electro · 05-01-2018 05:54PM

On the topic of merging threads- I know some posters post quite personal stories on those threads- stories that they've come to share on a drip by drip basis over the years.. so opening up the threads and merging under one roof may put some users off sharing? Not everyone who posts in the TA thread posts in What are you Eating? Etc..
And yes I know it's ironic to acknowledge that while the posts are out there for the entire Internet to read- but sometimes people can forget that when they've come to post alongside the same familiar posters over a period of time.

retro:electro · 05-01-2018 05:56PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Is your job on this thread to just completely dismiss everything?

Dara- I'm just stating my opinion. The same as you and the same as everyone else on this thread. Having you constantly tell me I'm dismissive is quite tiring. Please find another drum to beat.

05-01-2018 05:56PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Well, attacking a thread is not the same as attacking an individual. So attacking a individual because someone criticised a forum you post in is totally unjustified. And again, well you know it.

It's not a great impression to give of threads that are supposed to be welcoming, feelgood places, now is it?

You're sniping at Persepoly over her sniping at someone else? Give her a break.

Of course there's defensiveness over something people enjoy and value. It'd be better to engage diplomatically with a compromise in mind than to indulge with open hostility and constant repetition.

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