Dairy chit chat II

Mooooo · 03-01-2018 11:44PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Was offered loan with Boi secured at 5.75%. Waiting on Ulster Bank on acceptance at 4% secured. How come Boi rates are so bad, might be moving to Ulster if accepted

They're tight feckers, could counter and see where you get, if you get on well with whoever deals with you

Mooooo · 03-01-2018 11:46PM

Wouldn't be counting on shares gping up and up, stock markets are hitting all time highs again, any bit of a correction could see a tumble. They wpuld prob climb again but it may depend on what happens when they are on the way down

mahoney_j · 03-01-2018 11:47PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Was offered loan with Boi secured at 5.75%. Waiting on Ulster Bank on acceptance at 4% secured. How come Boi rates are so bad, might be moving to Ulster if accepted

Kev hold tough for Arrabawn Liam scheme comming out soon ,interest much lower than that circa 3.2% details comming v soon

Waffletraktor · 03-01-2018 11:51PM

Any one come across the following from times in NZ?
Graze a paddock heavily with sheep in mid april, stitch with innoculated peas and a quick grow variety of oats orbarley and whole crop at 100 days then refresh with news seeds and fert?

Mooooo · 04-01-2018 12:00AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Kev hold tough for Arrabawn Liam scheme comming out soon ,interest much lower than that circa 3.2% details comming v soon

Any conditions likely to be associated? Accountant is of the opinion funding should be between ourselves and the bank, no point getting coop stuck in the middle as well, inclined to agree

stretch film · 04-01-2018 12:09AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

You don't reckon that using co-op shares in the plc as collateral to fund storing 100 million odd euros worth of product (sorry five million was drew-down by farmers and since been payed backed) isn't just a tad bit sketchy, will be interesting to ask the question how much product they have in storage from 2016 still sitting their at the meetings in Jan...
Massive money been spent down in Belview again that we are told is being carried by G11, but that was when share-price was at 19 odd euro, just how attractive going forward to investors is the glanbia model going to be given its poor preformacnce, the party line was always how well the plc was doing and the wealth this generated for shared-up farmers , the wheel has turned now and the carrot of valuable plc shares going up in value year on year isn't their now

all what your saying is valid in its own context but im just saying none of it imo is of concern to investors .
the plc share drop is going to require explaining thats for sure .

Signpost · 04-01-2018 07:33AM

Is there any type of gate / barrier that can be fitted to the exit of the parlour to stop cows coming back in the front?
My head is being wrecked by the heifers this year coming back in looking for more

Something simple that doesn’t stop them going out but won’t let them back in. I could hang a gate there but seems like an unnecessary job to open and close that between rounds

visatorro · 04-01-2018 09:45AM

Signpost wrote: »

Is there any type of gate / barrier that can be fitted to the exit of the parlour to stop cows coming back in the front?
My head is being wrecked by the heifers this year coming back in looking for more
Something simple that doesn’t stop them going out but won’t let them back in. I could hang a gate there but seems like an unnecessary job to open and close that between rounds

Texas gates, like the owns a cow walks thru to get into a robot.

Timmaay · 04-01-2018 11:19AM

visatorro wrote: »

Texas gates, like the owns a cow walks thru to get into a robot.

Yeh some sort of gate/bar/barrier that can only swing outwards, the cows push it out when leaving the parlour (will take a week or so to train them to push it out. Use a spring of some sort on it to close it after them. I find the electric fence bungee cord very good here to use as a spring for any self closing gates. This would want to be reasonably downstream of the parlour exit, enough to let a full row go out without being impeded. It all could well be to much effort if it's only for this one heifer however ha.

blackdog1 · 04-01-2018 12:05PM

Signpost wrote:

Is there any type of gate / barrier that can be fitted to the exit of the parlour to stop cows coming back in the front? My head is being wrecked by the heifers this year coming back in looking for more Something simple that doesnâ€™t stop them going out but wonâ€™t let them back in. I could hang a gate there but seems like an unnecessary job to open and close that between rounds

I have a diet made up the night before and put it out before I start the cows in the morning. I find the cows don't come back anymore and they don't sit down in cubicles straight away so reduces Mastitis.

whelan2 · 04-01-2018 01:36PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Was offered loan with Boi secured at 5.75%. Waiting on Ulster Bank on acceptance at 4% secured. How come Boi rates are so bad, might be moving to Ulster if accepted

Never hear much of Aib. What are they like I wonder?

Gawddawggonnit · 04-01-2018 01:36PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I have a diet made up the night before and put it out before I start the cows in the morning. I find the cows don't come back anymore and they don't sit down in cubicles straight away so reduces Mastitis.

We lock the headlocks for two hours before they’re allowed to lie down in the cubicles. Seems to help prevent mastitis. Could also be fooling ourselves...

mf240 · 04-01-2018 01:55PM

Signpost wrote: »

Is there any type of gate / barrier that can be fitted to the exit of the parlour to stop cows coming back in the front?
My head is being wrecked by the heifers this year coming back in looking for more
Something simple that doesn’t stop them going out but won’t let them back in. I could hang a gate there but seems like an unnecessary job to open and close that between rounds

spray water at them from the pit.

GrasstoMilk · 04-01-2018 02:01PM

Anyone got any price of urea? Haven't priced any here yet but will be buying in the next few days

whelan2 · 04-01-2018 02:01PM

mf240 wrote: »

spray water at them from the pit.

Blast of power hose normally stops them

K.G. · 04-01-2018 02:18PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Anyone got any price of urea? Haven't priced any here yet but will be buying in the next few days

Jayus you r right - so busy with building and the ground so wet i kind a switched off thinking about it.

George Sunsnow · 04-01-2018 03:37PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Dont mention them lads to Mahoney J

Glanbia shares down to €13.90 today :eek: heading for a record low?

Kerry have rose a tenner in just 3 months

So Glanbia 25% fall in 12 months
Kerry 20% Rise in 12 months

Kerry €70 per share to €94
Glanbia €19 down to €13.90

GrasstoMilk · 04-01-2018 03:41PM

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kowtow · 04-01-2018 06:03PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Blast of power hose normally stops them

When whelan has a hammer in her hand, everything looks like a nail.

Gawddawggonnit · 04-01-2018 10:12PM

Just watched ETTG.
The nice shed that was built by the goat farmer was grant aided to the tune of 60%, does that include the vat that he was entitled to claim back? In other words was it a grant of 83%?

Fás are now going to train up the unemployed to milk cows. Anyone know what pay these employees are going to cost the dairy farmer? Will the farmer/employer have to pay for their training? Who pays them while they’re being upskilled?

Base price · 04-01-2018 10:20PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Just watched ETTG.
The nice shed that was built by the goat farmer was grant aided to the tune of 60%, does that include the vat that he was entitled to claim back? In other words was it a grant of 83%?

Fás are now going to train up the unemployed to milk cows. Anyone know what pay these employees are going to cost the dairy farmer? Will the farmer/employer have to pay for their training? Who pays them while they’re being upskilled?

Re the employment scheme - it was introduced in August last year. Here are some links to it. I haven't seen any media reports as to how successful it has been to date.
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/jobseekers-urged-to-learn-how-to-milk-cows-due-to-skills-shortage-35999245.html
http://www.thejournal.ie/social-welfare-pilot-work-on-dairy-farms-3527832-Aug2017/
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/course-teaching-jobseekers-how-to-milk-cows-to-begin-in-september/

Mooooo · 04-01-2018 10:53PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Just watched ETTG.
The nice shed that was built by the goat farmer was grant aided to the tune of 60%, does that include the vat that he was entitled to claim back? In other words was it a grant of 83%?

Fás are now going to train up the unemployed to milk cows. Anyone know what pay these employees are going to cost the dairy farmer? Will the farmer/employer have to pay for their training? Who pays them while they’re being upskilled?

didnt see it, max grant is 60% of 40k max for an individual. vat is paid and claimed back as normal

Keepgrowing · 05-01-2018 12:30AM

Mooooo wrote: »

didnt see it, max grant is 60% of 40k max for an individual. vat is paid and claimed back as normal

I think the question is
Is it €40k inc vat or 40k net of vat?

If I do a job for 20k + vat
Is the grant that I can claim for 20 or 20 +
Vat?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-01-2018 01:12AM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I think the question is
Is it €40k inc vat or 40k net of vat?

If I do a job for 20k + vat
Is the grant that I can claim for 20 or 20 +
Vat?

Job costs €30k to you.
Claim c. €10k vat back.
Claim TAMS on €20k @ 40%
Grant €8k
Cost to farmer €12k.

So it's the vat excluded cost of the item the grant is paid on.

Gawddawggonnit · 05-01-2018 08:12AM

Anyone get a ‘jobseekers’ milker from the scheme?
Maybe it’s a little early yet.
Is the scheme well subscribed?

Gawddawggonnit · 05-01-2018 08:23AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Anyone got any price of urea? Haven't priced any here yet but will be buying in the next few days

Urea bb Yara gran €266/t.
28t load.
Down €14/t since before Xmas.

28%N + 12%S gran, bb, €231/t.
28t load.
Both 30 days credit.

All prices are + vat.

Timmaay · 05-01-2018 08:33AM

350e for urea from 3 different places. Was looking at forward buying some, but no real value in it at all.

Gawddawggonnit · 05-01-2018 08:37AM

Timmaay wrote: »

350e for urea from 3 different places. Was looking at forward buying some, but no real value in it at all.

Someone is having a laugh.
Prices quoted above are good ‘till the end of next week.

Timmaay · 05-01-2018 08:57AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Someone is having a laugh.
Prices quoted above are good ‘till the end of next week.

Hang one, one quote was 340! I should of bought a lorry load at that.

K.G. · 05-01-2018 10:08AM

What s the story with 8 people that have are starting up dairying in that big farm in Roscommon.seems alot of people to have involved but are some "silent partners" or are the operaters getting equity as part of pay.

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