Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

kaymin · 03-01-2018 09:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

police often ask for information on suspects, that's normal behaviour from the police. even the best immigration service can will and has been breached. it's unfortunate when it happens, but we have to be realistic.

That's just a pathetic apology for an incompetent department of justice and minister for justice. The fact of the matter is our borders are porous. I can travel to France and back on the ferry without being asked for my passport. It's not good enough given the current environment.

splinter65 · 03-01-2018 09:46PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Anybody who doesn't have the correct paperwork - whatever that is these days - should be repatriated in the morning. A National ID card is becoming more urgent by the day.

We were introducing an ID card but Irish people don’t like that kind of thing.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 03-01-2018 09:46PM

dav3 wrote: »

That's some amount of imaginary bullsh*t you've posted there.

Speaking of imaginary bullsh*t… While we're all grateful to the OP for racing to his keyboard to post about this story and taking the time to highlight the nationality of the attacker. Will he be returning to edit his post reflecting the latest information out there, or did he go straight back to bed?

I haven't seen a tantrum like that since I last visited Tumblr. :rolleyes:

end of the road · 03-01-2018 09:46PM

Doltanian wrote: »

The war in Iraq was justified on the events of the time, Saddam Hussein was an unnecessary risk to Israel and the Petro-Dollar Hegemony, Saddam signed his own death warrant when he decided to trade oil in Euros, Ideally what should have happened was regime change where a pro-US puppet is installed as we are currently watching the CIA attempt in Iran. But the neocon and Military Industrial Complex pushed for war as that would be more profitable for themselves. The entire Middle East would be entirely better off if they were ruled by severe dictatorships like Gaddafi etc. Ideally greater Israel would be created and the IDF have control, or else direct colonisation.

Irregardless of what happens in the Middle East it is not Europes problem and if we patrolled and locked down our frontiers then cases like this would be prevented. Racial profiing and random stop and search should be introduced. The PPS card should be made mandatory and further evolved into a mandatory National Identity Card. No proof of identity then time in the the cell until background checks can be carried out, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, you are either against terror or you are the enemy.

racist profiling and identity cards aren't needed. if one has nothing to hide they would have lots to fear with your ideas. i am against terrorism but i'm not giving up any freedoms in exchange for my protection.

weldoninhio · 03-01-2018 09:51PM

splinter65 wrote: »

We were introducing an ID card but Irish people don’t like that kind of thing.

It was a section of Irish people against them. Seems to be a lot of the same subsection that want open borders and the state to provide housing for everyone, but don't want to pay for anything.

Captain Obvious · 03-01-2018 09:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

He was/is here illegally. He was in contact with the Gardai. They did nothing. We have 1 poor guy murdered and 2 others lucky not to be. They are all facts. An open border and Gardai inaction allowed this to happen.

I think a person who is applying for asylum has five days to report to the IPO after arriving in the State.

enricoh wrote: »

Did it really take one hour between his first stabbing and getting arrested? That is a pretty poor timescale imo by the cops.
Thank fook he didn't have a gun. Any would be attacker plotting would not be dissuaded thinking he could get up to an hour before being apprehended.

People had the same criticism about the guy who went mad in Tallaght a few months ago. I'm curious as to what powers people think police have to find a guy within an hour after an incident if he's had a good head start.

weldoninhio wrote: »

They are all facts. Try again.

“Investigators say the suspect was previously stopped by a garda in Dundalk on January 1st and asked about his status in the country. When he failed to produce the proper papers he was instructed to go to Dublin to apply for asylum. It is not known if he went to Dublin before today's attacks.”

No, they are speculation. And wasn't the power to demand "papers" deemed unconstitutional a few years ago?

kaymin · 03-01-2018 09:54PM

Grayson wrote: »

Just because it's normal doesn't make it rational. Statistically the chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are minimal. Statistically the chances of someone of middle eastern or Muslim background being a terrorist are minimal.

In the US you had a better chance of being killed by a car, a plane crash, brain haemorrhage, a peanut allergy or a mass shooter. Until last year, with the exception of 9-11 you even had a higher chance of being killed by toddler with a gun than an Islamic terrorist. The FBI have higher numbers of domestic right wing terror groups than Islamic terror groups and right wing groups have committed more terrorist attacks in the US than Islamic groups.
Yet they're terrified of Islamists. They've spent billions on security and on wars.

It's because humans are irrational creatures. We're predisposed by evolution to be bad at analysing risk. We over estimate the fcuk out of stuff like terrorism. We're designed to hear a rustling bush and think there's something horrible in there. It's not helped by a 24 hour news cycle and newspapers like the daily mail which thrive on fear.

So yes, I understand why people are afraid. But that doesn't mean that their fear is rational. It's not.

Or you could imagine how bad it would be if we didn't invest in protecting ourselves against Islamic terrorism. The stats are only so low because the authorities stop so many attackers before they strike.

If they hadn't invested the time and money that they have then certain countries such as France and Belgium would be war zones with weekly strikes. I think you underestimate the threat whereas the general populace see it for what it is.

end of the road · 03-01-2018 09:57PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i doubt theres many illegal people in the likes of Australia, Poland and dozens of other countries right now. countries who care about the welfare of the people that live there by having secure and safe approach to who comes in.

yes, there are illegal immigrants in australia believe it or not.

03-01-2018 09:57PM

end of the road wrote: »

racist profiling and indentity cards aren't needed. if one has nothing to hide they would have lots to fear with your ideas. i am against terrorism but i'm not giving up any freedoms in exchange for my protection.

What's "racist profiling" about needing a PPS card and a passport? I'm white Irish and can't really get by without either. Doesn't everyone need these things?

OK, arguably not the passport, but if I decide to let's say inform Revenue that I don't feel like having a PPS number anymore? Anyway, lots of European democracies have compulsory ID cards, doesn't infringe on their freedom much.

Del.Monte · 03-01-2018 09:57PM

splinter65 wrote: »

We were introducing an ID card but Irish people don’t like that kind of thing.

The lefty, pc brigade don't, and those with something to hide, but what about the rest of us? :mad:

splinter65 · 03-01-2018 09:58PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

It was a section of Irish people against them. Seems to be a lot of the same subsection that want open borders and the state to provide housing for everyone, but don't want to pay for anything.

Enough of a section and a noisy section.
SF made a terrible fuss. As you say the ones who want everything for nothing.

splinter65 · 03-01-2018 10:06PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

The lefty, pc brigade don't, and those with something to hide, but what about the rest of us? :mad:

The rest of us will bend over and take it up the arse as usual because that’s what we do.
Illegal immigrants can live and die in the UK once they get in and never be found because it’s so densely populated.
It took them 6 months to even attempt a guess at how many people died in the Grenfell Fire because nobody had any real clue how many of the residents there that night were legally entitled to be in London.
If we had national ID cards here that must be produced on demand like loads of EU countries then we’d soon find out who was here.
But oh no, blah blah privacy, blah blah big brother blah blah blah

03-01-2018 10:06PM

The only way to prevent these attacks is offshore detention centers and banning immigration from Muslim countries. Asylum seekers simply shouldn't be allowed to roam freely around Europe because you can't vet them when they show up with no documents.

In the next EU elections, Europe need to throw out the Eurofederalists/Europhiles and replace them with nationalists. Put an end to free movement of workers and multiculturalism.

Another thing, is for Western/ Northern Europe to pay trouble-making Muslims to return to their ancestral homeland. Jsut try an remove as many Muslims as legally possible because they're just not worth the hassle. Europe doesn't need Muslims immigrants, they offer nothing of value or other types of immigrants but bring plenty of issues.

weldoninhio · 03-01-2018 10:07PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I think a person who is applying for asylum has five days to report to the IPO after arriving in the State.

Lets deal in facts, rather than thoughts

The rule within the EU (and also including Norway and Switzerland) is that you only have the right to one single asylum proceeding within the EU. There is only one exception to this: that is if you are a minor. Then you can have a second proceeding in Germany (see Art. 8 Dublin III Convention).

weldoninhio · 03-01-2018 10:08PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No, they are speculation. And wasn't the power to demand "papers" deemed unconstitutional a few years ago?

Investigators say the suspect was previously stopped by a garda in Dundalk on January 1st and asked about his status in the country. When he failed to produce the proper papers he was instructed to go to Dublin to apply for asylum. It is not known if he went to Dublin before today's attacks.

You are trying to tell me that the Gardai are speculating??

end of the road · 03-01-2018 10:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Huge risk of them killing people in the name of the Pope!

Apples and oranges.

no, they are still illegal if they haven't gone through the proper channels. the fact they are irish/non-religious/whatever doesn't make a difference in terms of legality or illegality.

Captain Obvious · 03-01-2018 10:08PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Lets deal in facts, rather than thoughts

Are you saying my statement is incorrect?

Strazdas · 03-01-2018 10:11PM

end of the road wrote: »

yes, there are illegal immigrants in australia believe it or not.

Given that 26% of the Australian population was born outside the country, it seems extremely likely.

Captain Obvious · 03-01-2018 10:14PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Investigators say the suspect was previously stopped by a garda in Dundalk on January 1st and asked about his status in the country. When he failed to produce the proper papers he was instructed to go to Dublin to apply for asylum. It is not known if he went to Dublin before today's attacks.

You are trying to tell me that the Gardai are speculating??

No, I'm saying Gardaí cannot demand "papers" anymore. Perhaps the law has been updated. It is interesting how they go from direct quotes from named persons to "Investigators say". It's almost like that's not an official quote.

Irishmale0399 · 03-01-2018 10:16PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

The lefty, pc brigade don't, and those with something to hide, but what about the rest of us? :mad:

For the rest of us their is the option of the passport card. €35 for 5 years.

Use the thing nearly daily and if I am honest dont want to be without it again. A lot easier to carry a bank card sized plastic passport that the old book.

taylor3 · 03-01-2018 10:16PM

To think if it had been a school day you can imagine youngsters walking to school at that hour and this animal coming upon them with his knife and pole at the ready. I hope the 2 men injured recover soon and respects to the poor Japenese man and his family. This is just dreadful stuff.

Noel82 · 03-01-2018 10:16PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The rule within the EU is that

I'm with you and I know you're just pointing what should be the case, but for the rest let's not pretend there are rules and proceedings that are generally abided. A lot of them take us for fools and laugh at our "system".

vetinari · 03-01-2018 10:17PM

Jaysus, there's some serious amount of "sky is falling" euro skeptics on this thread.
Cancelling free movement throughout Europe would be far more of a pain in the ass than any nominal security benefits it accrues.
There are some risks to living in a free and open society. I'm surprised some of the posters here are able to leave their house with the level of fear that they possess.

RIP to the poor fellow that died.

Strazdas · 03-01-2018 10:21PM

vetinari wrote: »

Jaysus, there's some serious amount of "sky is falling" euro skeptics on this thread.
Cancelling free movement throughout Europe would be far more of a pain in the ass than any nominal security benefits it accrues.
There are some risks to living in a free and open society. I'm surprised some of the posters here are able to leave their house with the level of fear that they possess.

RIP to the poor fellow that died.

A lot of posters here would be to the right of far right parties in Europe. Most of those parties are okay with EU freedom of movement and only want non EU immigration curtailed.

patsman07 · 03-01-2018 10:21PM

Billy86 wrote: »

And funny enough, just about every person I know with an inclination towards Brexit, Trump or any of this 'new right' bullsh*t was also in favour of the US and other forces going to war with Iraq out of fear mongering. Which is gas these days, watching some try to claim otherwise.

I blame the person who set the woods on fire and sent the 'wolves' as you want to call them flying out towards us.

Don't worry though, you and the people claiming to never be in favour of Iraq despite being very much so at the time can plod along singing "we didn't start the fire" all you like.

The problem with your analysis is that Islamic Fundamentalism existed long before the invasion of Iraq. 9/11, The Rushdie fatwa, The Taliban, USS Cole all happened prior to the war in Iraq. I don't dispute that Iraq made the problem worse, I marched against the war at the time. However the "wolves" are not anti-imperialists.

Anti-imperialists don't behead people, execute homosexuals, murder specific cartoonists or deliberately target civilians. It takes a different ideology to inspire acts like these. We only need to listen to the testimony, or the battle cry, given by those who carry out this barbarity to ascertain where the inspiration is coming from.

mada999 · 03-01-2018 10:24PM

Nesta99 wrote: »

I still dont really get the eh meaning, relevence, attempted sarcasm, humour, whatever. I obviously dont pass that much attention to AH postings so!

Where it has happened would have been very busy at 9am, heavy and slow moving traffic. Would almost be at a stand still if schools were open. Plenty of people will have witnessed a horrible incident!!

passed it this morning just before 9am as I usually do every morning and there was nothing happening. Must have just missed it...

there would have been kids going to school had the schools been open and probably more carnage and hurt.

RIP to the man

hatrickpatrick · 03-01-2018 10:24PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Its called political power, with superior military and industrial and National capabilities.

I know what it's called, I'm merely stating that I don't morally or politically agree with it and I tend to vote accordingly. So do many others. Your post assumed that the majority view was that one nation imposing its will on another nation was a good thing, I am merely countering that this is far from clear and I suspect probably just downright untrue.

I consider Irish society to be superior to any middle eastern society, in that we have rights and we treat our women and gay people with respect.

The Repeal campaign would like a word...

If a regime is not behaving in a way that is acceptable to the interests of the major-powers then it should be held accountable.

This is the part I absolutely disagree with. All human beings are inherently exactly important as all other human beings. If our best interests clash with the best interests of another country, who are you or I to suggest that ours take priority? That's the kind of view which in my view is central to conservative thinking and is the primary reason why I am and always have been a leftist. I don't believe in the primacy of one race, nation, or even human being over any other human being.

Take Iran for instance. What happened in the 1950s greatly benefitted America but greatly harmed the Iranian people. By your standards, that makes it ok, I guess since you consider America an ally and Iran not. By my standards, it was the epitome of evil - f*cking someone else over because "my life is more important than theirs".

If the UN had any shred of integrity then a multi-national alliance would have effected regime change in North Korea, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran long ago.

And replaced it with what, exactly? Specifically what would you like to replace it with? The Irish model, where we put the profits of a few well connected people ahead of people being able to afford somewhere to live? The American model, where you don't get healthcare unless you're well off? No country is perfect.

As Western Christians

Speak for yourself. I'd hazard a guess that atheism will fairly soon become the dominant religion in the West.

we should are thankful to Western Democracy for what we hold dear today, freedom isn't free and it is something which has to be earned and fought for.

Being thankful to Western Democracy doesn't mean supporting or approving literally pillaging other people to get what we want cheaper and more conveniently. That's called elitism or supremacism - "my wellbeing matters more than yours, because I say so". That ideology is at the heart of Western imperialism in the middle east and for most of the 20th century Western powers didn't even pretend otherwise - "we need oil for our quality of life and if you won't give it to us cheaply we'll take it by force".

F*ck that. That's not something I would ever, ever vote for even if not voting for it left me destitute.

You do realise that it's perfectly possible to condemn any and all forms of terrorism while also condemning our own western governments for their childish and selfish antics that created the perfect conditions for it to blossom, right? The two are not mutually exclusive.

weldoninhio · 03-01-2018 10:24PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No, I'm saying Gardaannot demand "papers" anymore. Perhaps the law has been updated. It is interesting how they go from direct quotes from named persons to "Investigators say". It's almost like that's not an official quote.

The Gardai can ask you, me or anyone else our name and address, and if you refuse, or they believe you are lying they have the right to detain you until they can confirm who you are. I hope the Garda that let this lad go the other day is hounded with their conscious.

expectationlost · 03-01-2018 10:26PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No, I'm saying Gardaannot demand "papers" anymore. Perhaps the law has been updated. It is interesting how they go from direct quotes from named persons to "Investigators say". It's almost like that's not an official quote.

perhaps they stopped him re his driving...

gw80 · 03-01-2018 10:28PM

vetinari wrote: »

Jaysus, there's some serious amount of "sky is falling" euro skeptics on this thread.
Cancelling free movement throughout Europe would be far more of a pain in the ass than any nominal security benefits it accrues.
There are some risks to living in a free and open society. I'm surprised some of the posters here are able to leave their house with the level of fear that they possess.

RIP to the poor fellow that died.

Yea, RIP to the poor fellow that died, tough luck mate, but you are a martyr to free movment and economic growth,
God forbid someone is slightly inconvenienced at the airport

Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

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