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Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

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  • #632
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Every country has illegal immigrants.

    i doubt theres many illegal people in the likes of Australia, Poland and dozens of other countries right now. countries who care about the welfare of the people that live there by having secure and safe approach to who comes in.


  • #633
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Doltanian wrote: »
    The war in Iraq was justified on the events of the time, Saddam Hussein was an unnecessary risk to Israel and the Petro-Dollar Hegemony, Saddam signed his own death warrant when he decided to trade oil in Euros, Ideally what should have happened was regime change where a pro-US puppet is installed as we are currently watching the CIA attempt in Iran. But the neocon and Military Industrial Complex pushed for war as that would be more profitable for themselves. The entire Middle East would be entirely better off if they were ruled by severe dictatorships like Gaddafi etc. Ideally greater Israel would be created and the IDF have control, or else direct colonisation.

    This is assuming people actually like the idea of one section of the planet being able to coerce others into following their orders. Not everybody approves of power, which is something many on the right seem to forget. None of these things count as a justification unless you agree in the first instance that people in one region should be able to tell people in another region what to do.


  • #634
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,589 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Egypt according to RTE but whatever. The difference is if he wasn't allowed to enter the country then a young man in the best years of his life would be alive today.
    Thousands of people enter this state every day from all over the world for all sorts of reasons.
    We have an open border. This lad could have been applying for permission to stay and work here or even attend college here.


  • #635
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    i doubt theres many illegal people in the likes of Australia......

    I LoL'd that an Irish person would say this. Theres plenty of us in Oz.


  • #636
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    i doubt theres many illegal people in the likes of Australia, Poland and dozens of other countries right now. countries who care about the welfare of the people that live there by having secure and safe approach to who comes in.

    64,000 in Australia. That they know of

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/australia-immigration-stats-64000-living-illegally/news-story/1110a85f68e6483f8149f0e4fb8914f2


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  • #637
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,881 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You’re trying to convince yourself that fear of terrorism = far right when it doesn’t.
    Fear of terrorism in 2018 is perfectly normal and understandable and all the terrorist attacks launched on innocent Europeans and Americans and Afghans and Pakistanis and Iraqis over the last few years have been carried out by terririsrs in the name of the Muslim faith.
    You’re trying to pretend that it’s ridiculous and racist and so right wing to be afraid of an ISIS attack in 2018 when news breaks that a man of middle eastern origin has violently and randomly attacked 3 people killing one.
    Can you not see how ridiculous you seem?

    Just because it's normal doesn't make it rational. Statistically the chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are minimal. Statistically the chances of someone of middle eastern or Muslim background being a terrorist are minimal.

    In the US you had a better chance of being killed by a car, a plane crash, brain haemorrhage, a peanut allergy or a mass shooter. Until last year, with the exception of 9-11 you even had a higher chance of being killed by toddler with a gun than an Islamic terrorist. The FBI have higher numbers of domestic right wing terror groups than Islamic terror groups and right wing groups have committed more terrorist attacks in the US than Islamic groups.
    Yet they're terrified of Islamists. They've spent billions on security and on wars.

    It's because humans are irrational creatures. We're predisposed by evolution to be bad at analysing risk. We over estimate the fcuk out of stuff like terrorism. We're designed to hear a rustling bush and think there's something horrible in there. It's not helped by a 24 hour news cycle and newspapers like the daily mail which thrive on fear.

    So yes, I understand why people are afraid. But that doesn't mean that their fear is rational. It's not.


  • #638
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    Do we or dont we have an open border with Northern Ireland???

    we have an open border, thats the problem. serious questions need to be asked how he got in, if in fact he did come through that route.
    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    The idea of the EU is that we dont have borders and that we have freedom of movement.

    for EU people. theres a serious flaw there now that puts the security of the country at risk.


  • #639
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    doesnt matter where he is from, who he is or what his motives are.

    this was done by a man who should not be in the country. he was rejected entry to United Kingdom, became known to Gardai and/or immigration officals 2 days ago and low and behold, he ended up killing a man and injuring more this morning.

    this just shows our country for the soft touch bullsh*it that its become in the modern politically correct and liberal world.


    or it shows that regretibly, people can get through immigration control dispite the best efforts.
    but yeah, continue to rant about "liberal rabel rabel"

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #640
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    R.I.P to the victim, condolences to his family.
    Hope the two other injured victims are OK.
    Fair play to the guards for tackling the guy unarmed.


  • #641
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,881 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    oceanman wrote: »
    what about pinning a star of david on their arm?

    handily there's an islamic star.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rub_el_Hizb

    Used to see it all over the place when I was in Iraq.


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  • #642
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    i doubt theres many illegal people in the likes of Australia, Poland and dozens of other countries right now. countries who care about the welfare of the people that live there by having secure and safe approach to who comes in.

    Agree, even qualified, experienced, in-demand professionals have a tough time getting 4yr work permits for Australia.

    Poland, even though they're part of the EU must be doing something differently to the rest of Europe in terms of their mass migration policy.

    For Sweden, it seems you just show up from anywhere, and your in for good.

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  • #643
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ulysses Gaze wrote:
    64,000 in Australia. That they know of

    Huge risk of them killing people in the name of the Pope!

    Apples and oranges.


  • #644
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Going by the facts. We know 1 guy was here illegally. We know the cops knew that he was here illegally two days ago. We know they did nothing. We know that we now have 1 dead and 2 injured people due to that 1 guy.

    I think only one out of those four claims is actually a fact.


  • #645
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    end of the road wrote: »
    or it shows that regretibly, people can get through immigration control dispite the best efforts.
    but yeah, continue to rant about "liberal rabel rabel"

    best efforts? our immigration efforts are as resilient as chocolate teapot.

    we are probably one of the softest targets in the world right now for allowing people in.


  • #646
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    oceanman wrote: »
    what about pinning a star of david on their arm?

    Post #638 for the Godwin, who had 638!?


  • #647
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    end of the road wrote: »
    or it shows that regretibly, people can get through immigration control dispite the best efforts.
    but yeah, continue to rant about "liberal rabel rabel"

    Oh sh*t here's EOTR!!!


  • #648
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    dav3 wrote: »
    Jesus christ frauke, up your game, this isn't 4chan.
    Are you so sure about that?


  • #649
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    end of the road wrote: »
    or it shows that regretibly, people can get through immigration control dispite the best efforts.
    but yeah, continue to rant about "liberal rabel rabel"

    What immigration control is there if he came here from Britain? This entire nonsense of people wandering around the European Schengen Agreement countries without passport control is crazy stuff.

    ****



  • #650
    BillyBobBS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Frauke Petry 2 wrote: »
    my brother used to drive the Eurolines bus from London Victoria Bus Station to Dublin , he called it the Jihadi express,
    he reported his concerns to bus erireann/eurolines but Simon Coveney intervened
    he quit his job since

    "google simon coveny peter sutherland " if you don't believe me

    The Sutherland/Coveney/Bilderberg connection is well founded and very worrying.


  • #651
    Doltanian
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Doltanian


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    This is assuming people actually like the idea of one section of the planet being able to coerce others into following their orders. Not everybody approves of power, which is something many on the right seem to forget. None of these things count as a justification unless you agree in the first instance that people in one region should be able to tell people in another region what to do.

    Its called political power, with superior military and industrial and National capabilities. I consider Irish society to be superior to any middle eastern society, in that we have rights and we treat our women and gay people with respect. If a regime is not behaving in a way that is acceptable to the interests of the major-powers then it should be held accountable. If the UN had any shred of integrity then a multi-national alliance would have effected regime change in North Korea, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran long ago. As Western Christians we should are thankful to Western Democracy for what we hold dear today, freedom isn't free and it is something which has to be earned and fought for.


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  • #652
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Doltanian wrote: »
    Its called political power, with superior military and industrial and National capabilities. I consider Irish society to be superior to any middle eastern society, in that we have rights and we treat our women and gay people with respect.

    If a regime is not behaving in a way that is acceptable to the interests of the major-powers then it should be held accountable. If the UN had any shred of integrity then a multi-national alliance would have effected regime change in North Korea, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran long ago. As Western Christians we should are thankful to Western Democracy for what we hold dear today, freedom isn't free and it is something which has to be earned and fought for.

    Not of this "apply a thin coat" for you, it seems.


  • #653
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Strazdas wrote: »
    You're making a lot of assumptions here. There might be perfectly valid reasons why he wasn't "under arrest". We know next to nothing about him so far, why he was in Ireland and what his legal status was. He might have been due to report back to Gardai this morning for all we know and decided to go on the rampage instead.

    He was/is here illegally. He was in contact with the Gardai. They did nothing. We have 1 poor guy murdered and 2 others lucky not to be. They are all facts. An open border and Gardai inaction allowed this to happen.


  • #654
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    this is the real worrying thing -

    “We are very interested to know exactly how this suspect came into the jurisdiction, how long they were here and who they were associating with. We certainly are appealing to people who knew the suspect from the time he was in the jurisdiction,” Chief Supt Mangan said.


    errm Supt Mangan, shouldnt you be telling us the minute, hour and day when an illegal person came into the country and not asking people to help you do so?

    we are an island, there is no way any person should come in here without adequate documentation. heads should roll in our immigration department over this massive scandle, though i think no politician in the country has the balls to put even 1 step in place to protect our borders.


    police often ask for information on suspects, that's normal behaviour from the police. even the best immigration service can will and has been breached. it's unfortunate when it happens, but we have to be realistic.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #655
    enricoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Did it really take one hour between his first stabbing and getting arrested? That is a pretty poor timescale imo by the cops.
    Thank fook he didn't have a gun. Any would be attacker plotting would not be dissuaded thinking he could get up to an hour before being apprehended.


  • #656
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tayto lover wrote: »
    This lad could have been applying for permission to stay and work here or even attend college here.

    What? I mean seriously, WTF? He "could" have been doing the hucklebuck for all I fukcin' care. Applying for work and college in another country? Admirable, deserves respect and support. The fact that he then plunged a knife into a random stranger's back and took their life would suggest this was unlikely though.


  • #657
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,125 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    end of the road wrote: »
    or it shows that regretibly, people can get through immigration control dispite the best efforts.
    but yeah, continue to rant about "liberal rabel rabel"

    Oh brilliant! he decided to show his face! I was hoping against hope that this terrible event had finally brought you to your senses obviously not! As you said above “ravel ravel” away!


  • #658
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    I think only one out of those four claims is actually a fact.

    They are all facts. Try again.

    “Investigators say the suspect was previously stopped by a garda in Dundalk on January 1st and asked about his status in the country. When he failed to produce the proper papers he was instructed to go to Dublin to apply for asylum. It is not known if he went to Dublin before today's attacks.”


  • #659
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    Get rid of all open border politicians now and replace them with those who actually care for this country the time has come to shut the borders it should be done asap or we will become a security risk is that what we want for this country because it certainly isnt what i want.


  • #660
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What? I mean seriously, WTF? He "could" have been doing the hucklebuck for all I fukcin' care. Applying for work and college in another country? Admirable, deserves respect and support. The fact that he then plunged a knife into a random stranger's back and took their life would suggest this was unlikely though.

    maybe he had nothing to lose and went for the prison option. How long would he serve in Ireland? I know it sounds callous, but he could be out with a degree within 10 years.


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  • #661
    Doltanian
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Doltanian


    Cason Loud Broomstick wrote: »
    Agree, even qualified, experienced, in-demand professionals have a tough time getting 4yr work permits for Australia.

    Poland, even though they're part of the EU must be doing something differently to the rest of Europe in terms of their mass migration policy.

    For Sweden, it seems you just show up from anywhere, and your in for good.

    Screen_Shot_2018-01-03_at_20.18.37.png

    The Polish and Lithuanian Commonwealth saved Europe from Muslim Conquest when they moved their armies south to the Battle of Vienna in 1683 and former European rivals and enemies including the Russian Tsar put their differences aside and allied with the Holy Roman Empire to establish the Holy League of 1684, the invading Muslims from the Ottoman Empire were crushed in Vienna on the 12th of September 1683 and the unusual alliance unified under Pope Innocent XI to force the Muslims back to Turkey and it was a decisive victory for European Christendom in the Great Turkish War. The Eastern Europeans have been invaded many times by different forces throughout their history but they don't forget the lessons from their past.


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