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01-01-2018 10:34PM

Vronsky wrote: »

Your closing post is wrong because you assumed it would go down the "usual road".

Why not let the thread run and moderate it, instead of shutting down debate? Closing it preemptively is the lazy option tbh.

As a completely objective observer, I'll tell you why- because the opening post starts with:

Ethnic minority in the cinema?
I don't mean to start this as a traveller bashing thread because it's been done and it's unnecessary but

Need anything else explained? :P

Ken. · 01-01-2018 10:38PM

Vronsky wrote: »

Your closing post is wrong because you assumed it would go down the "usual road".

Why not let the thread run and moderate it, instead of shutting down debate? Closing it preemptively is the lazy option tbh.

Vast experience of every other thread about travellers and the fact that within 20 odd posts it had started to go that way already.

Why should I or any other AH mod give our time freely cause fücknuts can't be civil.

Ban the dicks and you'd have them screaming in this thread or feedback that the mods are against them. Can't win for losing.

Or what Mr OhToole said above.

Vronsky · 01-01-2018 10:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As a completely objective observer, I'll tell you why- because the opening post starts with:

Ethnic minority in the cinema?
I don't mean to start this as a traveller bashing thread because it's been done and it's unnecessary but

Need anything else explained? :P

the moderators job is to moderate and facilitate the discussion. Closing threads do not facilitate discussion. End of.

The correct way to deal with that thread would have been too see where that thread went and react to the posts. But no, the moderator in question decided to take the easy, lazy way out and close it in advance.

Vronsky · 01-01-2018 10:42PM

Conspectus wrote: »

Vast experience of every other thread about travellers and the fact that within 20 odd posts it had started to go that way already.

Why should I or any other AH mod give our time freely cause fücknuts can't be civil.

Ban the dicks and you'd have them screaming in this thread or feedback that the mods are against them. Can't win for losing.

Or what Mr OhToole said above.

No one is asking you to volunteer to be a mod.

As ordinary posters are often told, if you don't like it, you are free to leave, the door is over there.

Mountainsandh · 01-01-2018 10:50PM

Conspectus wrote: »

Why should I or any other AH mod give our time freely cause fücknuts can't be civil.
.

Your language in the closing post and here on this thread is the strongest I have noticed in that particular thread.

"thundering arseholes" is the other phrase you used (on thread).

In reference to travellers on that thread, on poster used the phrase "acting the maggots", another said they "act like they own the place generally causing disruption", another said they might "cause havoc".

I hope the contrast is evident enough.

You could have made your point civilly without closing the thread, in a preemptive manner since really, most posters on that thread have been expressed themselves pretty tamely as far as I can see.

This might have re-directed the thread into a discussion about disruption in the cinema, not exclusively about a minority, thread title could have been changed.

Insect Overlord · 01-01-2018 10:56PM

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

The cuckoos nest was always a desperately unfunny forum. Neckbeards quoting monty python at each other. Dadism seems to be used freely these days to describe gibbering surrealist nonsense. Like that Blindboy Boatclub idiot.

And this is the kind of thing that shows exactly what's wrong with the Internet in general, and more often than not these days many parts of Boards.ie. You can't be happy to let people enjoy something fun. You just have to shit all over it and insult them.

Does it make you feel good to call people idiots? Because it achieves fuck all else, to be honest. It's as bad as anything you'd find on YouTube or Twitter, posting shit just for the sake of ruining other people's good times. Fucking pathetic.

HandsomeBob · 01-01-2018 10:58PM

Insect Overlord wrote: »

The Cuckoo's Nest used to be something of a Dadaist haven, a place for artists and lunatics and intellectuals and fools to work with each other and express themselves via complicated nonsense and avant garde art that wouldn't have worked elsewhere on the site. It was fun for the sake of fun. Posts there didn't add to one's Post Count, and the Thanks function was never implemented there, because material/numerical rewards were not necessary.

It really was annihilated by the loss of some of its central characters over the years, for different reasons. I never really fit in to it myself.

I think what you're saying applies to a couple of forums. Basically the social forums have taken a fair hit over the years and they haven't recovered.

It's no big deal though, not to me anyway. Just speaking in terms of boards, when something happens worth discussing or reading the thoughts of others, this is still the place I go to.

I do accept however it is somewhat of an obsolete medium for many people. I mean the likes of Twitter indulge what many people seem to increasingly need; a self indulgent echo chamber where the narrative can be manipulated to suit themselves.

It is what it is. Forums will always have a place so will not die.

Vronsky · 01-01-2018 11:02PM

Insect Overlord wrote: »

And this is the kind of thing that shows exactly what's wrong with the Internet in general, and more often than not these days many parts of Boards.ie. You can't be happy to let people enjoy something fun. You just have to shit all over it and insult them.

Does it make you feel good to call people idiots? Because it achieves fuck all else, to be honest. It's as bad as anything you'd find on YouTube or Twitter, posting shit just for the sake of ruining other people's good times. Fucking pathetic.

I agree. tCN wasn't to my taste but it was harmless.

I'm not sure who/what ruined that forum but it's dead now.

Beasty · 01-01-2018 11:05PM

Vronsky wrote: »

No one is asking you to volunteer to be a mod.

As ordinary posters are often told, if you don't like it, you are free to leave, the door is over there.

And it's this sort of attitude that makes some of us wonder why we bother volunteering.

evolving_doors · 01-01-2018 11:14PM

Vronsky wrote: »

the moderators job is to moderate and facilitate the discussion. Closing threads do not facilitate discussion. End of.

The correct way to deal with that thread would have been too see where that thread went and react to the posts. But no, the moderator in question decided to take the easy, lazy way out and close it in advance.

'Moderate and facilitate a discussion' on travellers!
Surely you've read traveller threads and seen 'where they went'.

Shocking stuff https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057383006/15/#post94345015

...
Or maybe people haven't seen these threads.
I think it's down to experience.
Mods know where things are going as they've seen it quite a bit before.

Where does it go...
Cards,Bans, Squabbling , he said she said, pm's , appeals, mod bashing, revenge, doxxing.
Ain't no mod got time for that.

Arghus · 01-01-2018 11:16PM

Vronsky wrote: »

the moderators job is to moderate and facilitate the discussion. Closing threads do not facilitate discussion. End of.

The correct way to deal with that thread would have been too see where that thread went and react to the posts. But no, the moderator in question decided to take the easy, lazy way out and close it in advance.

In fairness I think the moderators in that situation are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Let's be realistic here: no thread that involves discussion about travellers stays civil. It never happens. So I can understand the motivation behind locking it: you are only bowing to the inevitable.

Then again I can understand the argument that conversation should be allowed to develop naturally and not be cut off prematurely, but looking the title of that thread and looking at the things people were already saying after just a few posts I just don't feel that we've missed out on an edifying thread there for the ages.

Mountainsandh · 01-01-2018 11:18PM

evolving_doors wrote: »

'Moderate and facilitate a discussion' on travellers!
Surely you've read traveller threads and seen 'where they went'.

Shocking stuff https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057383006/15/#post94345015

...
Or maybe people haven't seen these threads.
I think it's down to experience.
Mods know where things are going as they've seen it quite a bit before.

Where does it go...
Cards,Bans, Squabbling , he said she said, pm's , appeals, mod bashing, revenge, doxxing.
Ain't no mod got time for that.

So simply make the point that Conspectus made, and let the thread continue minus the minority element.

What are Mods other roles then, other than policing threads with cards, bans, and communicating via PMs ?

evolving_doors · 01-01-2018 11:21PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

So simply make the point that Conspectus made, and let the thread continue minus the minority element.

What are Mods other roles then, other than policing threads with cards, bans, and communicating via PMs ?

The thread is all about 'the minority element'.
Yer trying to take the salt out of the soup with that.

GreeBo · 01-01-2018 11:24PM

Beasty wrote: »

And it's this sort of attitude that makes some of us wonder why we bother volunteering.

Equally some attitudes make some posters wonder why they bother posting, and then they don't.

Mountainsandh · 01-01-2018 11:25PM

Arghus wrote: »

looking the title of that thread and looking at the things people were already saying after just a few posts I just don't feel that we've missed out on an edifying thread there for the ages.

Fair enough, then again do threads really have to be edifying ? It could have been a good old ranting thread, and would have died its own death. It's good to be able to rant it out sometimes, and it runs its course which is fine too.

I really like the Trivially Annoying thread for that reason, no harm done, and it certainly isn't edifying.

Tell me how · 01-01-2018 11:26PM

GreeBo wrote:

Equally some attitudes make some posters wonder why they bother posting, and then they don't.

So who wins in this situation?

Vronsky · 01-01-2018 11:26PM

evolving_doors wrote: »

'Moderate and facilitate a discussion' on travellers!
Surely you've read traveller threads and seen 'where they went'.

Shocking stuff https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057383006/15/#post94345015

...
Or maybe people haven't seen these threads.
I think it's down to experience.
Mods know where things are going as they've seen it quite a bit before.

Where does it go...
Cards,Bans, Squabbling , he said she said, pm's , appeals, mod bashing, revenge, doxxing.
Ain't no mod got time for that.

If a moderator hasn't time for moderating then they should give up the position. No one asks anyone to stay here, poster or moderator. Closing threads is always the lazy option and a is constantly being chosen as a first resort moderation tool as opposed to it being the last, nuclear option - what it ought to be on a discussion forum.

RDM_83 again · 01-01-2018 11:27PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Equally some attitudes make some posters wonder why they bother posting, and then they don't.

Yep still wondering why no response about my example of the way different posters are treated here

Arghus · 01-01-2018 11:29PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Fair enough, then again do threads really have to be edifying ? It could have been a good old ranting thread, and would have died its own death. It's good to be able to rant it out sometimes, and it runs its course which is fine too.

I really like the Trivially Annoying thread for that reason, no harm done, and it certainly isn't edifying.

That thread would have descended into Traveller Bashing.

Cast Iron certainty.

Beasty · 01-01-2018 11:29PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

So simply make the point that Conspectus made, and let the thread continue minus the minority element.

What are Mods other roles then, other than policing threads with cards, bans, and communicating via PMs ?

Mods deal with reported posts, issue in-thread warnings, discuss amongst themselves, other mods and CMods and Admins particular issues or wider forum issues. They may make recommendations for new mods, or spend some time showing those new mods the ropes. Yes they also communicate via PM, close threads, redirect posters to other more relevant forums, issue cards and bans etc

And the reward they get - it's usually threads like these telling them how they should be doing things

Forums often run their own Feedback threads, and mods get more direction from those on how they can improve the users experience. Unfortunately we always see a small number of posters trying to make things as difficult as they can for the mods, particularly in larger forums like AH

GreeBo · 01-01-2018 11:30PM

Tell me how wrote: »

So who wins in this situation?

No one wins; but only boards.ie loses.

Rumpy Pumpy · 01-01-2018 11:30PM

Insect Overlord wrote: »

And this is the kind of thing that shows exactly what's wrong with the Internet in general, and more often than not these days many parts of Boards.ie. You can't be happy to let people enjoy something fun. You just have to shit all over it and insult them.

Does it make you feel good to call people idiots? Because it achieves fuck all else, to be honest. It's as bad as anything you'd find on YouTube or Twitter, posting shit just for the sake of ruining other people's good times. Fucking pathetic.

Ah listen here mate, cool your jets. I was just pointing out that the cuckoos nest was desperately unfunny, and full of extremely contrived humour. No need for all the vulgarity.

I don’t use twitter or YouTube so I’m not aware of the type of discourse in either place.

Nate--IRL-- · 01-01-2018 11:31PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

And yet you’ve posted more in AH than any other forum, Nate.

By 27 posts. Doesn't change my mind about it, I read more than I post. If I could hide it from the front page I would.

Nate

Beasty · 01-01-2018 11:31PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Equally some attitudes make some posters wonder why they bother posting, and then they don't.

And you should be much better placed than most to understand that

dxhound2005 · 01-01-2018 11:32PM

Vronsky wrote: »

If a moderator hasn't time for moderating then they should give up the position. No one asks anyone to stay here, poster or moderator. Closing threads is always the lazy option and a is constantly being chosen as a first resort moderation tool as opposed to it being the last, nuclear option - what it ought to be on a discussion forum.

I see one closed thread on Page 1, Travellers, one on Page 3, Nurses and one one Page 4, Cockatiels. I don't think your analysis stands up to scrutiny.

evolving_doors · 01-01-2018 11:33PM

Vronsky wrote: »

If a moderator hasn't time for moderating then they should give up the position. No one asks anyone to stay here, poster or moderator. Closing threads is always the lazy option and a is constantly being chosen as a first resort moderation tool as opposed to it being the last, nuclear option - what it ought to be on a discussion forum.

What, a ' discussion ' on traveller stereotypes?
I don't think you've been around long enough to see where those discussions 'go'.

Beasty · 01-01-2018 11:34PM

Just a word of warning here. Points have been made from both sides about the most recent closure in AH. I do not think there is anything more to say on that example, so let's leave it there.

If anyone thinks they have anything new to add on this particular point, please PM me

Thanks

01-01-2018 11:37PM

Vronsky wrote: »

the moderators job is to moderate and facilitate the discussion. Closing threads do not facilitate discussion. End of.

The correct way to deal with that thread would have been too see where that thread went and react to the posts. But no, the moderator in question decided to take the easy, lazy way out and close it in advance.

Vronsky wrote: »

If a moderator hasn't time for moderating then they should give up the position. No one asks anyone to stay here, poster or moderator. Closing threads is always the lazy option and a is constantly being chosen as a first resort moderation tool as opposed to it being the last, nuclear option - what it ought to be on a discussion forum.

You know damned well that you're picking low hanging fruit yourself this evening, choosing that particular thread- it's such an obvious car crash in progress thread that if left open, with one of the first responses completely bashing travellers, then what are posters to expect?

They'll expect that if an AH Mod leaves such a fckfest of thread open, it means they're happy for ethnic minority bashing to take place.

Seriously, you could be choosing a less lazy option yourself and go search for something with a bit more relevance to the debate at hand because your contributions so far are far from valid.

Edit- just saw Beastys post now-

Vronsky · 01-01-2018 11:38PM

evolving_doors wrote: »

What, a ' discussion ' on traveller stereotypes?
I don't think you've been around long enough to see where those discussions 'go'.

I have been around for a long time thanks.

It may not be a great topic granted, but if people are not permitted to talk and discuss what they want to talk about here then they will go somewhere else. Grand some might say, we don't want that kind of commentary around here but we cannot turn around surprised when we see good contributors leaving and the overall post count falling.

Actions have consequences.

GreeBo · 01-01-2018 11:39PM

Beasty wrote: »

And you should be much better placed than most to understand that

Oh look, an unwarranted personal attack.
Should I hold my breath while we wait for your infraction?

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