Eir rural FTTH thread

tsue921i8wljb3 · 21-12-2017 11:29AM

digiman wrote: »

OpenEir splicing in my estate today in Dublin!!

Nice to see them tackling the urban areas again with FTTH also

Perhaps Xavier is having an influence already!

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/key-urban-markets-set-to-become-new-battleground-36425392.html

turbbo · 21-12-2017 12:06PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Perhaps Xavier is having an influence already!

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/key-urban-markets-set-to-become-new-battleground-36425392.html

That article is basically speculation the same speculation that I had. Now we'll see if the dept. falter and not make Eir uphold the rural 300k timeline. The gombeens in full effect.

Gonzo · 21-12-2017 12:41PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Perhaps Xavier is having an influence already!

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/key-urban-markets-set-to-become-new-battleground-36425392.html

I think it was only a matter of time before Eir would have to start planning towards upgrading the urban areas to full fibre. Current FTTC is no longer cutting edge, it was only a intermediate step.

It's only a matter of time before Virgin offer 1000 mb to their customers, Siro are making progress in urban towns and I am not sure the upgrade path from FTTC to g.fast would effect all current FTTC customers as the faster speeds really only take effect for customers within 400-500 meters of a cabinet. Eir will completely fall behind again if they don't plan to upgrade all the FTTC areas over the next few years.

turbbo · 21-12-2017 12:52PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I think it was only a matter of time before Eir would have to start planning towards upgrading the urban areas to full fibre. Current FTTC is no longer cutting edge, it was only a intermediate step.

It's only a matter of time before Virgin offer 1000 mb to their customers, Siro are making progress in urban towns and I am not sure the upgrade path from FTTC to g.fast would effect all current FTTC customers as the faster speeds really only take effect for customers within 400-500 meters of a cabinet. Eir will completely fall behind again if they don't plan to upgrade all the FTTC areas over the next few years.

Yes all very fine and well - but they haven't even made it halfway with the rural 300k. So it is at the detriment of those in rural areas yet again.
7 times Eir/eircom/TE has been sold in 20 years - unless the dept. enforce their agreement the 300k will not happen.

Gonzo · 21-12-2017 12:59PM

turbbo wrote: »

Yes all very fine and well - but they haven't even made it halfway with the rural 300k. So it is at the detriment of those in rural areas yet again.
7 times Eir/eircom/TE has been sold in 20 years - unless the dept. enforce their agreement the 300k will not happen.

I am fairly confident they will finish those 300k premises, it may run slightly into 2019. Last week I saw them working on the ducting for FTTH in Kilbeggan along the Clara road, County Westmeath and it's down for Autumn/Winter 2018 so they are making their way towards the end of the list already. They've started most areas already so are not going to run off and abandon it.

Marlow · 21-12-2017 01:02PM

I spoke to an OpenEIR engineer today during a NGN installation and he was telling me, that the majority of FTTH cabled areas still have zero gear to drive the fiber in the exchange.

Now .. why doesn't that surprise me a bit

/M

turbbo · 21-12-2017 01:05PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I am fairly confident they will finish those 300k premises, it may run slightly into 2019. Last week I saw them working on the ducting for FTTH in Kilbeggan along the Clara road, County Westmeath and it's down for Autumn/Winter 2018 so they are making their way towards the end of the list already.

After the buyout you could see the focus change completely as that indo article indicates.
Sadly the numbers don't reflect your anecdotal evidence of the 300k near completion. They have 10 days left for this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=420&v=g3QU7mH4vTc

turbbo · 21-12-2017 01:11PM

Marlow wrote: »

I spoke to an OpenEIR engineer today during a NGN installation and he was telling me, that the majority of FTTH cabled areas still have zero gear to drive the fiber in the exchange.

Now .. why doesn't that surprise me a bit

/M

Don't be silly tis far more important to have money set aside for multi million € bonuses for the top brass than pay for fibre switches in exchanges.

cnocbui · 21-12-2017 02:30PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I am fairly confident they will finish those 300k premises, it may run slightly into 2019. Last week I saw them working on the ducting for FTTH in Kilbeggan along the Clara road, County Westmeath and it's down for Autumn/Winter 2018 so they are making their way towards the end of the list already. They've started most areas already so are not going to run off and abandon it.

We were down for Autumn this year - lol. They haven't even put cables in the ground.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 21-12-2017 05:16PM

Marlow wrote: »

I spoke to an OpenEIR engineer today during a NGN installation and he was telling me, that the majority of FTTH cabled areas still have zero gear to drive the fiber in the exchange.

Now .. why doesn't that surprise me a bit

/M

Your absolute insistence on running down Openeir, based on third party, usually wrong, information is becoming tiresome. We get it. Your company is reselling Siro. You have a vested interest. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you keep spouting crap.

turbbo · 21-12-2017 05:24PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Your absolute insistence on running down Openeir, based on third party, usually wrong, information is becoming tiresome. We get it. Your company is reselling Siro. You have a vested interest. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you keep spouting crap.

LOL running down Eir - they do a good job of that themselves! That is hilarious.

Marlow · 21-12-2017 11:51PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Your company is reselling Siro.

Correction: Using both OpenEIR and SIRO as last mile options. Not reselling anything.

- You can't resell SIRO, as they don't provide network out of the catchment areas.
- You can resell OpenEIR, if you don't bother build your own network to haul back to edge, but you don't have to. And reselling OpenEIR puts you at the mercy of their network .. especially in regards to contention.

Big difference.

/M

shigllgetcha · 22-12-2017 02:45PM

The map has been updated for anyone that is interested

bottar1 · 23-12-2017 02:27PM

KN Just set us up and I've been testing on an ethernet connection. It gets about 90 down and 98 up when we test. We paid for 1000 down. It does say that in the statistics on the router settings, but it says under LAN 1 Rate "100/Full". We are using a Cat.7 Gigabit ethernet cable too.

We haven't called eir or anything, maybe they need to bump us up? any ideas?

23-12-2017 02:40PM

The speed of your LAN is 100/full, so you're not going to get any faster unless the device that you have connected is gigabit capable.

It is your PC network card that needs to be configured for 1gig to get the highest speed.

bottar1 · 23-12-2017 02:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The speed of your LAN is 100/full, so you're not going to get any faster unless the device that you have connected is gigabit capable.

It is your PC network card that needs to be configured for 1gig to get the highest speed.

https://www.asus.com/ie/Motherboards/Z170-K/

This is the motherboard I have, it should support that. Is there anything I need to do?

23-12-2017 03:04PM

Check the network card settings, are they set to auto or are they hard set to 100/full, they should be auto.

Marlow · 23-12-2017 03:07PM

Also .. try another cable. Could very well be the cable, that's buggered.

Either way, as others have pointed out, you won't get more than 100 Mbit/s, if your computer or cable doesn't link at Gbit/s.

/M

bottar1 · 23-12-2017 03:43PM

Marlow wrote: »

Also .. try another cable. Could very well be the cable, that's buggered.

Either way, as others have pointed out, you won't get more than 100 Mbit/s, if your computer or cable doesn't link at Gbit/s.

/M

Nevermind lads im a tool, had the powerline adapter TP Link up to 500mb and it was recognized at 100. Drilled through some walls and now got 1000 and tests giving 700 up 100 down so im grand. LOVELY

Marlow · 23-12-2017 03:53PM

bottar1 wrote: »

Nevermind lads im a tool, had the powerline adapter TP Link up to 500mb and it was recognized at 100. Drilled through some walls and now got 1000 and tests giving 700 up 100 down so im grand. LOVELY

Powerline adapters are evil. That's nearly worse than Wifi. It's actually wifi modulation on power cabling.

You were never going to get anywhere with that muck !

And the 700 Mbit/s download is probably your PC, not being able to pull more. My laptop manages JUST around 920 Mbit/s on the cable. Most PCs/Laptops will archieve 700-800 on the wire. Obviously, multiple devices and you'll max that 1000

/M

BarryM · 24-12-2017 08:05AM

I just love the flahool way some people say CPL is rubbish. If your telephone line/fibre in is 20 or 30 metres from the location of your PC(s) what EXACTLY do these knowalls suggest, apart from major building work, like two floors between the locations?

Enjoy the hols

TireeTerror · 24-12-2017 01:48PM

The biggest scam, and no other words can be used to describe it, are power line adapters that have a rating of, for example, 500Mb but use 100Mb Ethernet ports. The 500Mb is only the theoretical connection of the link between the adapters through the electrical wiring, but that doesnt matter if the ethernet port has a maximum of 100.

oscarBravo · 24-12-2017 01:48PM

BarryM wrote: »

I just love the flahool way some people say CPL is rubbish. If your telephone line/fibre in is 20 or 30 metres from the location of your PC(s) what EXACTLY do these knowalls suggest, apart from major building work, like two floors between the locations?

They can be your only choice, and still be a fundamentally crappy concept. Power lines are simply not designed to carry high-bandwidth information.

MBSnr · 24-12-2017 02:34PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

The biggest scam, and no other words can be used to describe it, are power line adapters that have a rating of, for example, 500Mb but use 100Mb Ethernet ports. The 500Mb is only the theoretical connection of the link between the adapters through the electrical wiring, but that doesnt matter if the ethernet port has a maximum of 100.

Yeap you're dead right. My Apple Airport Express access point is the same. You can get 150Mbps (18.75MB/s) wifi speed but it only has a 100Mbps LAN port which is max 12.5MB/s....

Since my internet runs at 10Mbps (1.25MB/s) it's all slightly irrelevant until I get FTTH. Then everything needs to have 1Gb LAN ports.

niallb · 24-12-2017 04:05PM

TireeTerror wrote: »

The biggest scam, and no other words can be used to describe it, are power line adapters that have a rating of, for example, 500Mb but use 100Mb Ethernet ports. The 500Mb is only the theoretical connection of the link between the adapters through the electrical wiring, but that doesnt matter if the ethernet port has a maximum of 100.

How about if you have 4 of them?

MBSnr · 24-12-2017 05:03PM

niallb wrote: »

How about if you have 4 of them?

For TP Link they share. I would imagine that applies to all manufacturers models.

http://uk.tp-link.com/faq-406.html

Q: If there are many powerline adapters in the same private network, how will the power line rate be of each device?

A: In the same private power line network, all devices share the whole bandwidth.

Q: Can several Powerline networks exist simultaneously in same power circuit?

A: Yes.The powerline networks can be separated by different network names. About how to change the network name, it can be made by the pair button or attached Utility. However, the overall throughput is shared by the multiple networks, please be informed of this. Please refer to the FAQ 258 to change the powerline network names.

KOR101 · 24-12-2017 05:04PM

I think this is not good news.....

Eir buyer set to refocus investment on urban areas

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/eir-buyer-set-to-refocus-investment-on-urban-areas-36434047.html

cnocbui · 24-12-2017 05:52PM

KOR101 wrote: »

I think this is not good news.....

Eir buyer set to refocus investment on urban areas

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/eir-buyer-set-to-refocus-investment-on-urban-areas-36434047.html

No, just another example of of why neo-con economics sucks and Utilities should always be owned and operated by the state, to prevent such low-hanging-fruit cherry-picking.

Gonzo · 24-12-2017 06:05PM

The 300k rural rollout should get completed within the next 12-18 months I reckon. They have a commitment to see this rollout finished, it may not be completed by 31 December 2018 but they will have to finish it during 2019.

In the meantime Eir would be planning another urban rollout, and Eir's plans always take a while before actual work starts on the ground. They will probably aim to start the urban rollout just as the rural one is finishing, so late 2018 or early 2019 could be when Eir start work on the urban rollout.

From 2019 Eir could be very busy finished the rural rollout and starting the urban, and if they win the NBP contract then that is yet another rollout.

AidenL · 24-12-2017 09:51PM

cnocbui wrote: »

No, just another example of of why neo-con economics sucks and Utilities should always be owned and operated by the state, to prevent such low-hanging-fruit cherry-picking.

That kind of statement might hurt their prospects when being evaluated for the NBP rollout.

I agree, last thing we need are a bunch of mega fast networks in the cities and the rest of the country falls into furtherd neglect.

I really do worry when the NBP will start, never mind be completed!

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