Dairy chit chat II

wrangler · 18-12-2017 08:18PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Asking the right man, aren’t they...

Don't know if ya have the confidence for the job.

Gawddawggonnit · 18-12-2017 08:22PM

Floki wrote: »

Or show them what a blade of grass is and a picture of a roadway?

The main speaker is a ‘top’ gov official and his theme is why France’s farmers are right to show the world the *way* in environment and climate responsibility...
...so...I’m thinking on detailing the Irish gov supports to dairying. Bit of balance.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 18-12-2017 08:28PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Ok folks, I’ve agreed to give a 20 minutes talk about Irish dairy to the suppliers from this county of our Coop.

The title will be “A view of dairying in Ireland”...A Dutchman will be doing likewise and a 15min q&a at the end.

Any ideas?

But seriously, I suppose start on the calving down to grass with compact calving to match grass supply to herd needs and any deficits made up with silage/rations and any surpluses cut as silage for winter/buffer feeding when demand exceeds supply.

A bit on the relative low profitability of winter/liquid milk compared to grass fed production and relative poor supply of cereals and other concentrate feeds that need to be imported.

Potential DM production of 15+t of grass and no other crop coming close to being suitable for use in Ireland. Maybe with a bit on the need for some periods of dry weather to actually be able to cut/graze and relative small size of holdings c.34ha on average and a large number of those with 2 or more different plots.

Reggie. · 18-12-2017 08:30PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Ok folks, I’ve agreed to give a 20 minutes talk about Irish dairy to the suppliers from this county of our Coop.

The title will be “A view of dairying in Ireland”...A Dutchman will be doing likewise and a 15min q&a at the end.

Any ideas?

will ya stream it

kowtow · 18-12-2017 08:40PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

The main speaker is a ‘top’ gov official and his theme is why France’s farmers are right to show the world the *way* in environment and climate responsibility...
...so...I’m thinking on detailing the Irish gov supports to dairying. Bit of balance.

Careful of those invitations.

I once gave a similar speech in an African country during which - I thought - I was optimistic and helpful in my criticism of their flagship project. Praise where praise was due, that kind of thing... maybe a few pointed warnings about corruption and waste...

The whole thing ended up on the front pages the next morning and the Prime Minister's office sent me a rather large fellow to sit in the corner of my office for the next few months in case I needed "help with my communications strategy.."

kevthegaff · 18-12-2017 08:45PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Ok folks, Iâ€™ve agreed to give a 20 minutes talk about Irish dairy to the suppliers from this county of our Coop.

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

The title will be â€œA view of dairying in Irelandâ€...A Dutchman will be doing likewise and a 15min q&a at the end.

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Any ideas?

Pigtails, outdoor cubicles, rainguns, nitrogen (lime) usage and lagoons or just feed them a spiel about yellow butter and cows grazing 24/7 mountain slopes

Keepgrowing · 18-12-2017 08:47PM

I'm gone soft in the head.
Hired mini digger to dig holes for shed pillars, lay water pipe, current to said shed. I also had to lay ducting across the yard for security and calving cameras.

All in 2 days and paid €220. Collect myself, pay my man to operate it, grease, fill with diesel and return it.

Conclusion, I'd be much further on to employ a guy with a digger to do the job and pay him for 1 day and no bollixing.

Lesson learned

GrasstoMilk · 18-12-2017 08:58PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I'm gone soft in the head.
Hired mini digger to dig holes for shed pillars, lay water pipe, current to said shed. I also had to lay ducting across the yard for security and calving cameras.

All in 2 days and paid €220. Collect myself, pay my man to operate it, grease, fill with diesel and return it.

Conclusion, I'd be much further on to employ a guy with a digger to do the job and pay him for 1 day and no bollixing.

Lesson learned

You'd have operated it yourself no bother which is where the saving is in hiring self drive diggers. We hired one a month ago and I drove it myself having never driven one before in a fairly delicate area
Had a lad come look at the job before I decided to drive it myself. Said it would take him a week. I did it in 3 days

K.G. · 18-12-2017 09:05PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Ok folks, I’ve agreed to give a 20 minutes talk about Irish dairy to the suppliers from this county of our Coop.

The title will be “A view of dairying in Ireland”...A Dutchman will be doing likewise and a 15min q&a at the end.

Any ideas?

Just tell it like it is.an industry ran by incompetent boards,weak farm organisations, expansion using low yeilding crosses that are not fed properly with lax environmental regulation. They can have good Christmas without worrying their heads about us.

mf240 · 18-12-2017 09:10PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Ok folks, I’ve agreed to give a 20 minutes talk about Irish dairy to the suppliers from this county of our Coop.

The title will be “A view of dairying in Ireland”...A Dutchman will be doing likewise and a 15min q&a at the end.

Any ideas?

Let the dutch lad go first.

Floki · 18-12-2017 09:12PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

The main speaker is a ‘top’ gov official and his theme is why France’s farmers are right to show the world the *way* in environment and climate responsibility...
...so...I’m thinking on detailing the Irish gov supports to dairying. Bit of balance.

I'm not surprised.
Not sure where I read it probably on Agriland or the journal. It was an article about nitrates in France and the thinking from the French government was to equalize the rules (french rules of course) over the whole EU as their way to deal with the "competition".
It was either that or try and bring back tariffs.
All to help French farmers of course!
Viva la union.

Edit: Don't become the sacrificial lamb.

Scrap that maybe they picked the right man for the job.
And that's not against you but the guberment!

Stick it to em.

mf240 · 18-12-2017 09:14PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Pigtails, outdoor cubicles, rainguns, nitrogen (lime) usage and lagoons or just feed them a spiel about yellow butter and cows grazing 24/7 mountain slopes

Tell them even the diesel is green over here.

Keepgrowing · 18-12-2017 09:34PM

Tell it as you do here
Environmental time bomb
Water polluted
Incompetent farmers
Flagrant breaking of rules
Farmers are a complete joke
Tell them how lucky you are to have escaped
Processing industry in crisis
All product going to intervention

Then open to the floor asking them how their industry is different

Gawddawggonnit · 18-12-2017 09:35PM

kowtow wrote: »

Careful of those invitations.

I once gave a similar speech in an African country during which - I thought - I was optimistic and helpful in my criticism of their flagship project. Praise where praise was due, that kind of thing... maybe a few pointed warnings about corruption and waste...

The whole thing ended up on the front pages the next morning and the Prime Minister's office sent me a rather large fellow to sit in the corner of my office for the next few months in case I needed "help with my communications strategy.."

Lol.

Seeing as Paris is sending a minion down to the paysans (peasants) to explain why they’re blazing a trail for farming in the 21st century, I’m tempted to put the boot in...

Gawddawggonnit · 18-12-2017 09:38PM

mf240 wrote: »

Let the dutch lad go first.

He is.

Gawddawggonnit · 18-12-2017 09:46PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Tell it as you do here
Environmental time bomb
Water polluted
Incompetent farmers
Flagrant breaking of rules
Farmers are a complete joke
Tell them how lucky you are to have escaped
Processing industry in crisis
All product going to intervention

Then open to the floor asking them how their industry is different

Ah settle, will ya.

I’m thinking more on the lines of Tams1,2,3,4.
Vat exemptions.
Stock relief.
Glas.
Tax free farm transfers.
Tax averaging.
Tax breaks.
Young farmer top ups, grants etc.

Floki · 18-12-2017 10:30PM

There's some great land in Roscommon.
Looks like even better farmers though.

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dairy-focus-catching-the-grazing-bug-in-co-roscommon/

blackdog1 · 18-12-2017 10:39PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote:

Iâ€™m thinking more on the lines of Tams1,2,3,4. Vat exemptions. Stock relief. Glas. Tax free farm transfers. Tax averaging. Tax breaks. Young farmer top ups, grants etc.

Don't forget about transferring the land to a single child and not cutting it up into pieces... One of the biggest problems in France.

Gawddawggonnit · 18-12-2017 10:51PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Don't forget about transferring the land to a single child and not cutting it up into pieces... One of the biggest problems in France.

I used to think that but now I’m not so sure.
I think that it (the land) is a very common ‘bond’ (as it were) between urbanites and peasants.

longgonesilver · 19-12-2017 01:14AM

Seasonality is probably one of the biggest differences
Building new plants to cope with peak yields that are closed now and the workers laid off.

alps · 19-12-2017 10:02AM

The French drink coffee to relax......

The Irish drink coffee to stay awake.......

Keepgrowing · 19-12-2017 10:36AM

alps wrote: »

The French drink coffee to relax......

The Irish drink coffee to stay awake.......

Tell them how Irish farmers are prepared to work hard to afford the lifestyle the French expect for less effort

atlantic mist · 19-12-2017 11:19AM

dont forget about our corporation tax rate, and were not even happy to be paying that much with that we funnel our processor profits through luxembourg:)

you could throw up your fancy mix for cows and show my single bale beside it:)

Floki · 19-12-2017 12:21PM

Or the rebranding of French powder as Irish in French intervention stores.

(This is great sport).:p

Gawddawggonnit · 19-12-2017 12:53PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Tell them how Irish farmers are prepared to work hard to afford the lifestyle the French expect for less effort

Lol.

I surely will if...you stand up in front of a room full of Irish farmers and tell ‘em they’re a bunch of overweight p!ssheads!

Gawddawggonnit · 19-12-2017 01:05PM

Ok. For Tams 2, what buildings are NOT eligible for grant aid?

Under 40yrs old eligible for 60% grant aid, and over 40yrs gets 40% ?
Does the 40/60% grant include vat?

Equipment/machinery...milk tanks, milking machines, slurry handling/spreading machines (generators?), calf rearing equipment, are all eligible?

Any machine that’s nailed down is vat free? Does this cover fencing and roadways and drainage?

I spent a few minutes looking at DAFM website for Tams scheme and the list is pretty endless. However all I need is a synopsis of what’s included so what’s NOT included would be easier. I want to be correct.

Floki · 19-12-2017 01:38PM

Calling all overweight p1ssheads to reply to me pleaaaase!!

You really couldn't make this stuff up.

Timmaay · 19-12-2017 01:40PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Ok. For Tams 2, what buildings are NOT eligible for grant aid?

Under 40yrs old eligible for 60% grant aid, and over 40yrs gets 40% ?
Does the 40/60% grant include vat?

Equipment/machinery...milk tanks, milking machines, slurry handling/spreading machines (generators?), calf rearing equipment, are all eligible?

Any machine that’s nailed down is vat free? Does this cover fencing and roadways and drainage?

I spent a few minutes looking at DAFM website for Tams scheme and the list is pretty endless. However all I need is a synopsis of what’s included so what’s NOT included would be easier. I want to be correct.

Under 40 years and less than 5 years officially a young farmer. Don't think the generators or calf rearing equipment included, but someone else can confirm that for me. And yep, fencing, roadways, drainage included as fixed capital.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 19-12-2017 01:52PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Under 40 years and less than 5 years officially a young farmer. Don't think the generators or calf rearing equipment included, but someone else can confirm that for me. And yep, fencing, roadways, drainage included as fixed capital.

But not eligible for TAMSII. Only sheep fencing on sheep farms eligible for TAMSII, afaik.

jaymla627 · 19-12-2017 02:29PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Ok. For Tams 2, what buildings are NOT eligible for grant aid?

Under 40yrs old eligible for 60% grant aid, and over 40yrs gets 40% ?
Does the 40/60% grant include vat?

Equipment/machinery...milk tanks, milking machines, slurry handling/spreading machines (generators?), calf rearing equipment, are all eligible?

Any machine that’s nailed down is vat free? Does this cover fencing and roadways and drainage?

I spent a few minutes looking at DAFM website for Tams scheme and the list is pretty endless. However all I need is a synopsis of what’s included so what’s NOT included would be easier. I want to be correct.

Any buildings planned under tams 2 have to have full planning permission gained and all relevant fees paid to local council, the other major point is to avail of tams you have to be fully cross compliant on paper including have adequate slurry storage for all animals on farm on date of application, it really isn't the free for all you think it is, buildings under it have to be specced to ridiculous levels and the fact you could be waiting over a year to draw it down after you've paid out the money needed upfront is a pretty big ball ache

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