Off Topic Thread 3.0

1. Rey and Luke's interaction on the Island. Lovely Star Warsy vibe from the entire act; the desolate land, the jedi master, the dark place, the Frank Oz sorta comedy vibe creatures... Sure, it ripped off ESB, but it worked brilliantly.

2. The story of the connection between Kylo and Rey... really powerful stuff, and the two of them really nailed the allure of the power of the force in completely different way.

3. Adam Driver... for me, he's the difference between these movies being Disney films with Star Wars wallpaper and a genuine Star Wars journey of dark and light. He's absolutely fantastic, his portrayal of a Jedi being seduced by the dark side is by far the best of anything else in the SW universe.

4. THAT fight scene, in Snoke's room.

5. Snoke himself, Andy Serkis take a bow. Another CGI character brought to life like no other. Absolute shame they killed him off after having so little interaction... Bit of a pity really, as I think the films will need someone more sinister than Adam Driver, unless he takes it up a notch in the next. (bring back the mask!!)

6. THAT hyperspace kamikaze scene. :eek:

7. Mark Hamill, brilliant.

8. Del Toro, also brilliant, but the stammer was silly!

Luke walking out alone into the sun against the line of AT-ATs was so well done, my personal favourite.

that it took a big steaming dump on the original trilogy. The original trilogy is the Skywalker saga of redeeming a tragic character and saving the galaxy. That was ultimately the Skywalker legacy. If you look at it across the previous 6 films especially the Skywalker saga was one that helped to root out and destroy the Sith, saving the galaxy while Luke saved his father. A hopeful, albeit tragic tale. A pretty classic format in that regard.

Now however the legacy seems to be that they helped create the First Order, undoing all the good work that they had done in the original trilogy and leaving the galaxy in a worse state than ever before. With the only surviving Skywalker (you’d have to assume they’ll kill Leia off) being the main villain in the galaxy.

When they eventually destroy the First Order what will have been achieved? Rey will be a Jedi but several planets and billions of lives will have been lost in the process. And feck all else. At least in the previous films the Sith already existed before Anakins fall and so that was a threat that needed addressing. Which made the sacrifices worth it. But if we go back now and watch ROTJ we’re left thinking “that’s not really a happy and hopeful ending because Luke is just going make a balls of it and billions more are going to die”.

So for me it’s just not working the way it should. There were excellent elements to film as a stand alone peice, but the more I look at the new trilogy in the context of the series the less I think it works.

And that Guardians of the Halaxy scene with Leia was ridiculous. As was Holdos keeping her plan secret from Poe, and the ensuing Finn storyline. Most of the stuff involving Luke, Rey and Kylo was excellent. Although I really don’t get how Luke could be so willing to risk his life to turn his mass murdering father back to the light but was then willing to murder his innocent but troubled nephew without ever really attempting to save him. Far too much of the story was set up to work for the new characters and didn’t make enough effort to work for the existing characters at all.