Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

aloyisious · 13-12-2017 05:13PM

C14N wrote: »

Probably not. The goal is to pass it before Christmas (and Jones doesn't come in until after Christmas), but even if it doesn't get done by then, the only solid Republican "No" in the Senate is Bob Corker. Jones and Corker alone aren't enough to kill it, because they could only bring it to 50-50 and then Pence would break the tie.

So hospitization absences etc would have a negative effect on the bill.

C14N · 13-12-2017 05:17PM

aloyisious wrote: »

So hospitization absences etc would have a negative effect on the bill.

Yeah I suppose it would, but I don't think either are particularly likely. You can never predict hospitalisation but no Republican will miss the vote for the tax bill if they can help it.

aloyisious · 13-12-2017 05:19PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

It shows that the minorities can have a major impact in races that were once thought of as a given.

Blacks overwhelmingly voted for Jones (90%+ I think) and the DNC and minorities groups need to focus on getting the vote out in higher numbers than the past.

It seems, to me, that the GOP are counting on the same voters as before to carry them and as such a big increase in voter turnout should be enough to turn plenty of Red seats blue.

Sure, the DNC may not be the best alternative you would wish for, but in a two horse race you have to pick or else let others make the choice. Yesterdays vote showed that there is enough white people willing to vote R regardless, so to expect them to deliver change is a waste of time.

If one minority group has had such an effect against the norm, other minority groups must see they can have an effect on the GOP swamp [seeing as how the GOP are the majority of the occupants there] that it's worthwhile voting.

aloyisious · 13-12-2017 05:20PM

C14N wrote: »

Yeah I suppose it would, but I don't think either are particularly likely. You can never predict hospitalisation but no Republican will miss the vote for the tax bill if they can help it.

Yeah, John McCain.

rossie1977 · 13-12-2017 05:32PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

It shows that the minorities can have a major impact in races that were once thought of as a given.

Blacks overwhelmingly voted for Jones (90%+ I think) and the DNC and minorities groups need to focus on getting the vote out in higher numbers than the past.

It seems, to me, that the GOP are counting on the same voters as before to carry them and as such a big increase in voter turnout should be enough to turn plenty of Red seats blue.

Sure, the DNC may not be the best alternative you would wish for, but in a two horse race you have to pick or else let others make the choice. Yesterdays vote showed that there is enough white people willing to vote R regardless, so to expect them to deliver change is a waste of time.

Nearly two times as many white women voted for Moore despite all the allegations against him. It's pretty clear now that all the time spent trying to shame these candidates by the media and Democratic party simply isn't working. In fact it's a complete waste of time it looks like

Democrats need to be trying to rallying their base. Giving black people reasons to vote (Obama showed that can be done and again last night), getting Hispanic voters out and most importantly appealing to the undecided/independent voters.

Leroy42 · 13-12-2017 05:43PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Nearly two times as many white women voted for Moore despite all the allegations against him. It's pretty clear now that all the time spent trying to shame these candidates by the media and Democratic party simply isn't working. In fact it's a complete waste of time it looks like

Democrats need to be trying to rallying their base. Giving black people reasons to vote (Obama showed that can be done and again last night), getting Hispanic voters out and most importantly appealing to the undecided/independent voters.

Exactly. Expecting R voters to actually turn on Trump and the GOp is wasted effort. They have showed in their vote for Trump, and again in their vote for Moore, that they are not going to change for anything once the person on the ballot is in their gang.

So the only way to deal with it, to reduce their hold, is not turn current voters but to get out new previous non-voters. Whilst some of them may vote for the GOP & Trump I would hazard a guess that the vast majority would side with the DNC.

Again, I'm not saying that the DNC is the answer to everything, but as things stand they are the only viable alternative. Once you put them in power you can start to work on changing them to better suit your viewpoints.

But the last 10 months of Trump and the GOP have shown that they are very far from being in the interests of the country as a whole.

PopePalpatine · 13-12-2017 05:53PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Except two democrat majorities would leave Trump with a far, far bigger headache that rhymes with beseechment.

I think Trump will resign in frustration (although ironically enough for the self-styled "HEALTHIEST PERSON TO EVER RUN FOR PRESIDENCY", it'll be masked as "ill health") before it ever gets that far.

Billy86 · 13-12-2017 06:03PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I think Trump will resign in frustration (although ironically enough for the self-styled "HEALTHIEST PERSON TO EVER RUN FOR PRESIDENCY", it'll be masked as "ill health") before it ever gets that far.

He'll never resign is my guess, even when if writing were absolutely on the wall and he were given an ultimatum to 'retire tonight, or get found guilty and arrested tomorrow' he would go for the latter and call for all out war from his followers, trying to get tens of thousands if not more to grab all their guns and head to the White House to 'protect' him.

Nixon is the guy Trump is compared to most often in terms of the investigation, but Nixon despite being a horrible person was also very intelligent, and very, very pragmatic... neither of those traits can be applied to Trump, who simply doesn't seem to have much of a grasp on reality.

dr.fuzzenstein · 13-12-2017 06:30PM

Billy86 wrote: »

He'll never resign is my guess, even when if writing were absolutely on the wall and he were given an ultimatum to 'retire tonight, or get found guilty and arrested tomorrow' he would go for the latter and call for all out war from his followers, trying to get tens of thousands if not more to grab all their guns and head to the White House to 'protect' him.

Nixon is the guy Trump is compared to most often in terms of the investigation, but Nixon despite being a horrible person was also very intelligent, and very, very pragmatic... neither of those traits can be applied to Trump, who simply doesn't seem to have much of a grasp on reality.

Neither have his followers.
They would blindly cheer for anything he does, regardless of how insane it was. If it succeeds, it will be the greatest achievement by any politician in the world ever, if he fails it would have been the greatest thing ever, but those lousy Democrats once again sabotaged him for no reason other than spite.
The IQ of his hardcore followers can be gauged by the fact that a spoilt billionaire who is a known shark and utter clown has convinced a bunch of white trash, blue collar good ole' boys that he acts in their interest alone.
He could indeed shoot someone on 5th avenue and lose none of his followers.
The problem is that he is a cult. The reality of what he does it entirely irrelevant. He is promising to take health care from his own voters and they response is a deafening roar of approval from his fans.

It is a sad indictment of today's society, as shaped by the internet. The nearest equivalent of his presidency is the YouTube comment section or a reddit thread gone badly wrong.
It wakes in me the sneaking suspicion that people are nasty, mean, spiteful bullies who don't care about consequences as long as their side "wins".

aloyisious · 13-12-2017 06:35PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Nearly two times as many white women voted for Moore despite all the allegations against him. It's pretty clear now that all the time spent trying to shame these candidates by the media and Democratic party simply isn't working. In fact it's a complete waste of time it looks like

Democrats need to be trying to rallying their base. Giving black people reasons to vote (Obama showed that can be done and again last night), getting Hispanic voters out and most importantly appealing to the undecided/independent voters.

The women seemd to base their trust in Roy because he's [in their words] a man of the bible. Plus the bible doesn't have a debar against men or women marrying children, even if the children can be below their teerns age-wise, child-wives/husbands, once their parents agree with such marriages.

Re the Dems, it's needing grassroots instructing their candidates.

demfad · 13-12-2017 06:36PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I think Trump will resign in frustration (although ironically enough for the self-styled "HEALTHIEST PERSON TO EVER RUN FOR PRESIDENCY", it'll be masked as "ill health") before it ever gets that far.

If he resigns he will be opened to indictment. He surely can't risk that. This is the big worry about 2018 congress elections. That the Republicans cannot risk being out of power as many will face political and personal ruin and even prison.
I have a little more hope after Moore's loss but I fear that the 2018 elections will not be fair.

Leroy42 · 13-12-2017 06:37PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Neither have his followers.
They would blindly cheer for anything he does, regardless of how insane it was. If it succeeds, it will be the greatest achievement by any politician in the world ever, if he fails it would have been the greatest thing ever, but those lousy Democrats once again sabotaged him for no reason other than spite.
The IQ of his hardcore followers can be gauged by the fact that a spoilt billionaire who is a known shark and utter clown has convinced a bunch of white trash, blue collar good ole' boys that he acts in their interest alone.
He could indeed shoot someone on 5th avenue and lose none of his followers.
The problem is that he is a cult. The reality of what he does it entirely irrelevant. He is promising to take health care from his own voters and they response is a deafening roar of approval from his fans.

This bit is plain wrong. There was far more than just the white trash that voted for him. It will be a fascinating study when somehow actually digs into the real workings behind people who voted and continued to support him.

What overriding thing was it that drove them to what can be described (at least by me) as a collective brainfart. The loss of any reason or logic and a complete denial of the facts staring them in the face.

Trump is a disaster, no doubt at it, but it is actually lucky for everyone that he is. If we cannot understand, beyond the simplistic, the reasons behind his popularity, then we will easily find ourselves with a far more accomplished and skillful player. I am not liking Trump to Hitler in any way except to point out that Hitler was very skilled at what he did (up to a point) so that upon getting into power he was able to deliver on the notions or his craziness.

Trump has been to date, totally incompetent and unable to focus on what needs to be done and is in essence throwing away a massive opportunity

eire4 · 13-12-2017 07:45PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

It shows that the minorities can have a major impact in races that were once thought of as a given.

Blacks overwhelmingly voted for Jones (90%+ I think) and the DNC and minorities groups need to focus on getting the vote out in higher numbers than the past.

It seems, to me, that the GOP are counting on the same voters as before to carry them and as such a big increase in voter turnout should be enough to turn plenty of Red seats blue.

Sure, the DNC may not be the best alternative you would wish for, but in a two horse race you have to pick or else let others make the choice. Yesterdays vote showed that there is enough white people willing to vote R regardless, so to expect them to deliver change is a waste of time.

Just to add in there on last nights vote and I have say not in positive way. Last nights vote was not as positive as it may seem at a glance. Firstly voter turnout was 40.5% pathetic! Secondly that means that the majority and a sizable majority at that of the Alabama voters did not vote at all despite the fact that one candidate was a horrific hate filled venomous person never mind the child rape and sexual assault issues.
So despite the horrific nature of who one candidate was only 20% roughly of Alabama voters actually voted against Moore.

Noel82 · 13-12-2017 07:46PM

After McCabe cancels his house intel meeting today, you tell me the FBI and DoJ aren't politicized. McCabe was the FBI deputy director who's wife received $500,000 from Clinton Allies while he ended up being involved in the Hillary investigation and running off to Fisa courts to monitor Trump associates.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton...ife-1477266114

https://nypost.com/2016/10/24/clinton-ally-gave-500k-to-wife-of-fbi-agent-on-email-probe/

https://twitter.com/BretBaier/status/940952690082885633

Other texts: "God Hillary should win 100,000,000 – 0,” ; "Fúck Trump"

Peter Strzok was working at the center of both the Clinton and Russian investigations, as was McCabe. Strzok interviewed Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills who both lied about their knowledge of the server as proven by Foai's emails and subsequent DNC dumps. Whoever else were given immunity, allowed to destroy evidence and were not interviewed ( Including H ) under oath.

Nothing happened to any of them, contrast General Flynn who was interviewed by Strzok, who's served his country for 35 years loses his house and his life is destroyed.

That's equal and fair justice under the law. Laws for thee but not for me.

Samaris · 13-12-2017 07:48PM

Tbh, we hear an awful lot about the blue-collar working voters, salt of the earth, etc, and very little about the wealthy voters that made up a good deal of his base.

Handy for him, really.

Samaris · 13-12-2017 08:03PM

Noel82 wrote: »

After McCabe cancels his house intel meeting today, you tell me the FBI and DoJ aren't politicized. McCabe was the FBI deputy director who's wife received $500,000 from Clinton Allies while he ended up being involved in the Hillary investigation and running off to Fisa courts to monitor Trump associates.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton...ife-1477266114

https://nypost.com/2016/10/24/clinton-ally-gave-500k-to-wife-of-fbi-agent-on-email-probe/

https://twitter.com/BretBaier/status/940952690082885633

Other texts: "God Hillary should win 100,000,000 – 0,” ; "Fúck Trump"

Peter Strzok was working at the center of both the Clinton and Russian investigations, as was McCabe. Strzok interviewed Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills who both lied about their knowledge of the server as proven by Foai's emails and subsequent DNC dumps. Whoever else were given immunity, allowed to destroy evidence and were not interviewed ( Including H ) under oath.

Nothing happened to any of them, contrast General Flynn who was interviewed by Strzok, who's served his country for 35 years loses his house and his life is destroyed.

That's equal and fair justice under the law. Laws for thee but not for me.

Poor General Flynn. Talks to someone and suddenly his life is utterly turned upside down for absolutely no reason whatsoever (going by your post). Tis all very unfair altogether. Anyone would think he committed a crime or something.

By the way, do you have any reason for accusing Strzok of various misdeeds or is it just that he disliked Trump therefore he's obviously criminal?

mcmoustache · 13-12-2017 08:13PM

Noel82 wrote: »

After McCabe cancels his house intel meeting today, you tell me the FBI and DoJ aren't politicized. McCabe was the FBI deputy director who's wife received $500,000 from Clinton Allies while he ended up being involved in the Hillary investigation and running off to Fisa courts to monitor Trump associates.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton...ife-1477266114

https://nypost.com/2016/10/24/clinton-ally-gave-500k-to-wife-of-fbi-agent-on-email-probe/

https://twitter.com/BretBaier/status/940952690082885633

Other texts: "God Hillary should win 100,000,000 – 0,” ; "Fúck Trump"

Peter Strzok was working at the center of both the Clinton and Russian investigations, as was McCabe. Strzok interviewed Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills who both lied about their knowledge of the server as proven by Foai's emails and subsequent DNC dumps. Whoever else were given immunity, allowed to destroy evidence and were not interviewed ( Including H ) under oath.

Nothing happened to any of them, contrast General Flynn who was interviewed by Strzok, who's served his country for 35 years loses his house and his life is destroyed.

That's equal and fair justice under the law. Laws for thee but not for me.

"But hillary". Seriously, that's you. Like a broken record with your naive outrage which overlaps nicely with r/the_donald. See below.

I recommend that the Special Counsel be a Republican, he should also remove Strzok from the investigation and Hillary should be removed from the presidency. Would that help you get over your outrage?

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Itssoeasy · 13-12-2017 08:26PM

Also I know Roy Moore hasn't conceded but a concession isn't a legal requirement as far as I know. So Roy Moore can not concede all he wants it doesn't mean anything legally.

aloyisious · 13-12-2017 09:20PM

Noel82 wrote: »

After McCabe cancels his house intel meeting today, you tell me the FBI and DoJ aren't politicized. McCabe was the FBI deputy director who's wife received $500,000 from Clinton Allies while he ended up being involved in the Hillary investigation and running off to Fisa courts to monitor Trump associates.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton...ife-1477266114

https://nypost.com/2016/10/24/clinton-ally-gave-500k-to-wife-of-fbi-agent-on-email-probe/

https://twitter.com/BretBaier/status/940952690082885633

Other texts: "God Hillary should win 100,000,000 – 0,” ; "Fúck Trump"

Peter Strzok was working at the center of both the Clinton and Russian investigations, as was McCabe. Strzok interviewed Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills who both lied about their knowledge of the server as proven by Foai's emails and subsequent DNC dumps. Whoever else were given immunity, allowed to destroy evidence and were not interviewed ( Including H ) under oath.

Nothing happened to any of them, contrast General Flynn who was interviewed by Strzok, who's served his country for 35 years loses his house and his life is destroyed.

That's equal and fair justice under the law. Laws for thee but not for me.

Re Strzok, I imagine that he's the agent Meuller kicked off his investigation team [when doubt as to his impartiality and politics arose] said agent posted to the FBI HR Dept [reported on last week].. Nothing like doing the proper thing when it comes to Rob Mueller.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5139609/FBI-agent-removed-Mueller-probe-anti-Trump-texts.html

ancapailldorcha · 13-12-2017 09:29PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

...white trash...

Less of the racial epithets please.

Noel82 · 13-12-2017 09:52PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

"But hillary". Seriously, that's you. Like a broken record with your naive outrage which overlaps nicely with r/the_donald. See below.

It has nothing to do with one individual, it's about a tainted probe that has one set of rules for one individual and another set of rules for another. You can keep your petty insults to yourself and you try to smear my opinion with people on an internet forum I have never posted on. You sir are morally bankrupt and immediately resort to smears when you read something you don't like.

Mueller was himself appointed in strange circumstances, Comey leaks memos to the NYT's and his long time associate Robert Mueller is appointed, that is an immediate conflict of interest.

Andrew McCabe did not recuse himself from the email investigation until 1 week before the election even though his wife received
$675,000 from Democrat Terry McAuliffe, a longtime Clinton supporter and donor.

At least six of the 15 in Mueller's team had donated generously to Hillary Clinton. That's another immediate conflict of interest. What should have been done is for Mueller to go outside Washington and setup a team who weren't involved with the goings on during the election. One of the investigators Jeannie Rhee, represented Ben Rhodes and even defended a lawsuit against the Clinton Foundation.

Mueller's office refused to give the reason why Peter Strzok and his mistress were removed from the investigation into Trump. They were having an extramarital affair and exchanging tens of thousands of text messages overwhelmingly pro Hillary and Anti Trump. He oversaw the email investigation, signed off on the Russian investigation, interviewed Clinton cronies and interviewed Flynn, both with entirely different outcomes even though the evidence is clear Clinton's team lied to the FBI. Another clear conflict of interest.

Strzok was responsible for changing the wording to non legal filler in the email case, from grossly negligent to extremely careless. The first constitutes a crime where the second holds no standing in legal doctrine.

Andrew Weissmann who is Mueller's deputy, praised Sally Yates for defying Trump's travel ban. In an email released by Foai request, he stated he
“I am so proud,” “And in awe. Thank you so much. All my deepest respects.” Another clear conflict of interest where a high up FBI employee is praising someone for going against the duly elected POTUS.

Bruce G. Ohr, a senior statesman in the justice department, secretly met with Fusion GPS employees during the 2016 election. He never disclosed that his wife, Nellie Ohr, was employed by and paid by the same "research" firm during said election. Today it's come out that she was specifically employed to go after Trump, and with her husband in the justice department that is yet another conflict of interest.

Another person in Mueller's team, Aaron Zebley worked as Muellers chief of staff while at the FBI represented Justin Cooper. Cooper was the IT employee who set up Hillary Clinton’s server at her home and smashed countless blackberries and laptops with hammers.

Why won't the FBI turn over the FOIA court applications to oversight. You had one Political campaign on one side, and another working in cohorts with the Justice department and FBI to spy on Americans. Everything is pointing in one direction and in such cases coincidence doesn't hold any bearing.

You can continue to say "Muh Hillary" and things like "Alt-right" but it's not just me who is noticing these things, the editorial board at the WSJ have come out and said the probe needs to be shut down.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/muellers-credibility-problem-1512432318

pitifulgod · 13-12-2017 09:58PM

The desperation to smear Mueller is a good indication that feathers are being ruffled.

Professor Moriarty · 13-12-2017 10:04PM

Noel82 wrote: »

It has nothing to do with one individual, it's about a tainted probe that has one set of rules for one individual and another set of rules for another. You can keep your petty insults to yourself and you try to smear my opinion with people on an internet forum I have never posted on. You sir are morally bankrupt and immediately resort to smears when you read something you don't like.

Mueller was himself appointed in strange circumstances, Comey leaks memos to the NYT's and his long time associate Robert Mueller is appointed, that is an immediate conflict of interest.

Andrew McCabe did not recuse himself from the email investigation until 1 week before the election even though his wife received
$675,000 from Democrat Terry McAuliffe, a longtime Clinton supporter and donor.

At least six of the 15 in Mueller's team had donated generously to Hillary Clinton. That's another immediate conflict of interest. What should have been done is for Mueller to go outside Washington and setup a team who weren't involved with the goings on during the election. One of the investigators Jeannie Rhee, represented Ben Rhodes and even defended a lawsuit against the Clinton Foundation.

Mueller's office refused to give the reason why Peter Strzok and his mistress were removed from the investigation into Trump. They were having an extramarital affair and exchanging tens of thousands of text messages overwhelmingly pro Hillary and Anti Trump. He oversaw the email investigation, signed off on the Russian investigation, interviewed Clinton cronies and interviewed Flynn, both with entirely different outcomes even though the evidence is clear Clinton's team lied to the FBI. Another clear conflict of interest.

Strzok was responsible for changing the wording to non legal filler in the email case, from grossly negligent to extremely careless. The first constitutes a crime where the second holds no standing in legal doctrine.

Andrew Weissmann who is Mueller's deputy, praised Sally Yates for defying Trump's travel ban. In an email released by Foai request, he stated he
“I am so proud,” “And in awe. Thank you so much. All my deepest respects.” Another clear conflict of interest where a high up FBI employee is praising someone for going against the duly elected POTUS.

Bruce G. Ohr, a senior statesman in the justice department, secretly met with Fusion GPS employees during the 2016 election. He never disclosed that his wife, Nellie Ohr, was employed by and paid by the same "research" firm during said election. Today it's come out that she was specifically employed to go after Trump, and with her husband in the justice department that is yet another conflict of interest.

Another person in Mueller's team, Aaron Zebley worked as Muellers chief of staff while at the FBI represented Justin Cooper. Cooper was the IT employee who set up Hillary Clinton’s server at her home and smashed countless blackberries and laptops with hammers.

Why won't the FBI turn over the FOIA court applications to oversight. You had one Political campaign on one side, and another working in cohorts with the Justice department and FBI to spy on Americans. Everything is pointing in one direction and in such cases coincidence doesn't hold any bearing.

You can continue to say "Muh Hillary" and things like "Alt-right" but it's not just me who is noticing these things, the editorial board at the WSJ have come out and said the probe needs to be shut down.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/muellers-credibility-problem-1512432318

That's an interesting point you make about Mueller. Tell me, who appointed Mueller? And who appointed the man who appointed Mueller?

Noel82 · 13-12-2017 10:05PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

The desperation to smear Mueller is a good indication that feathers are being ruffled.

Call it what you want.

Laws for thee but not for me has summed up my interpretation of what's been going on for the past 18 months.

Noel82 · 13-12-2017 10:07PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's an interesting point you make about Mueller. Tell me, who appointed Mueller? And who appointed the man who appointed Mueller?

Most people backed him until he assembled a team of Clinton cronies. With the evidence that's been coming out lately that judgement seems valid.

Professor Moriarty · 13-12-2017 10:09PM

Noel82 wrote: »

Most people backed him until he assembled a team of Clinton cronies. With the evidence that's been coming out lately that judgement seems valid.

So Trump appoints Rosenstein who appoints Mueller. So if Mueller is no good, whose fault is that?

Water John · 13-12-2017 10:11PM

Well Rozenstein said today, he has every faith in Mueller.
Noel do you want him removed also. How is he tainted?

Professor Moriarty · 13-12-2017 10:19PM

Noel82 wrote: »

It's comes back to Trump clearly, what he should have done was fire Comey Jan 20th. When Sessions recused himself he left himself open to the vultures. It doesn't refute the points I've made as to what was going on in the FBI and justice department prior to the election.

So Trump fired Comey, Sessions recused himself and Mueller should be fired now because the FBI and the Justice Department aren't fit for purpose.

Who's the CEO of this mess and what has he done about all of this? Why is he presiding over such gross incompetence?

Noel82 · 13-12-2017 10:19PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So Trump appoints Rosenstein who appoints Mueller. So if Mueller is no good, whose fault is that?

It's comes back to Trump clearly, what he should have done was fire Comey Jan 20th. When Sessions recused himself he left himself open to the vultures. It doesn't refute the points I've made as to what was going on in the FBI and justice department prior to the election.

I'd love for someone to explain this text message where high ranking FBI officials are plotting on what to do with Trump, or why the FBI were paying a firm used by an Political opponent known for smear tactics to use that as a foundation to go and spy on associates of the other campaign.

https://twitter.com/BretBaier/status/940952690082885633

Water John · 13-12-2017 10:20PM

When Trump and his encouterage had lots of dodgy dealings with Russians, they left themselves open.
Put the blame, squarely where it should ly.

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