Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

Leroy42 · 12-12-2017 10:58AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Oh yeah it wasn't saying he got prostitutes or hung around or anything, it's just such a bizarrely stupid story to go into given the context.

On that I totally agree. I as said it wasn't a story I would have told (had I been him I mean, its not a story I could tell myself!).

aloyisious · 12-12-2017 03:38PM

A side-issue of the Alabama voting was taken to court yesterday. Montgomery County circuit court judge Ashley Shaul issued an order to the Alabama Sec of State to retain for 6 months and not destroy the voting digital images as the state usually does after the election has passed. The actual ballot papers are digitally scanned first before being destroyed, and following the count of the digitized records to see who won, they also are destroyed leaving no records at all of the ballots.

It seems the Dept of Homeland Security has Alabama as one of the states liable to have its voting system hacked and interfered with, and with no digitized records kept of the count, anything online would be open to adjustment.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/judge_orders_alabama_not_to_de.html#incart_m-rpt-2

The paper link for articles, incl a video on what Alabama Counties to watch on election night.... http://www.al.com/birmingham/

Captain Obvious · 12-12-2017 03:49PM

aloyisious wrote: »

A side-issue of the Alabama voting was taken to court yesterday. Montgomery County circuit court judge Ashley Shaul issued an order to the Alabama Sec of State to retain for 6 months and not destroy the voting digital images as the state usually does after the election has passed. The actual ballot papers are digitally scanned first before being destroyed, and following the count of the digitized records to see who won, they also are destroyed leaving no records at all of the ballots.

It seems the Dept of Homeland Security has Alabama as one of the states liable to have its voting system hacked and interfered with, and with no digitized records kept of the count, anything online would be open to adjustment.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/judge_orders_alabama_not_to_de.html#incart_m-rpt-2

The paper link for articles, incl a video on what Alabama Counties to watch on election night.... http://www.al.com/birmingham/

Was that judgement not overruled by the Alabama Supreme Court?

Billy86 · 12-12-2017 04:20PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Was that judgement not overruled by the Alabama Supreme Court?

Looks like it - https://www.alternet.org/activism/alabama-supreme-court-issues-monday-night-order-blocking-best-practices-verify-vote

What am I missing here, because that strikes me as them willfully going out of their way to ensure there is little evidence if votes actually are tampered with? Given the Republican party's typical stance on being extremely vigilant on voting and voters (ID, voter fraud claims, etc) that seems very, very... well let's just say 'peculiar'.

Professor Moriarty · 12-12-2017 05:09PM

Looks like The Donald stole the tweet machine from Kelly's locker again:

Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office “begging” for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump. Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!

everlast75 · 12-12-2017 05:11PM

If (and here's hoping!) Moore loses the election today, will DT delete the tweets endorsing him as he has done before to other "losers"?

Professor Moriarty · 12-12-2017 05:14PM

everlast75 wrote: »

If (and here's hoping!) Moore loses the election today, will DT delete the tweets endorsing him as he has done before to other "losers"?

Without a shadow of a doubt. The Donald's only allegiance is to his ego. Can't be associating with losers.

Captain Obvious · 12-12-2017 05:24PM

Alabama's top election official estimates that turnout for the hotly contested U.S. Senate election now underway will likely be around 18 to 20 percent of registered voters.

Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill tells The Associated Press there's also a chance that turnout for the special election could be as high as 25 percent.

That's pathetic for such an important election.

Pelvis · 12-12-2017 05:26PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Looks like The Donald stole the tweet machine from Kelly's locker again:

Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office “begging” for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump. Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!

Does anyone else think he's implying something unsavory here???

Leroy42 · 12-12-2017 05:29PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Alabama's top election official estimates that turnout for the hotly contested U.S. Senate election now underway will likely be around 18 to 20 percent of registered voters.

Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill tells The Associated Press there's also a chance that turnout for the special election could be as high as 25 percent.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

That's pathetic for such an important election.

Is those numbers are true then is signals very bad news for the DNC. If they could mobilise the vote they would wipe the floor but this is a total failure.

If Moore wins, then a massive part of the blame goes to those that didn't bother to vote

Schorpio · 12-12-2017 05:34PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Is those numbers are true then is signals very bad news for the DNC. If they could mobilise the vote they would wipe the floor but this is a total failure.

If Moore wins, then a massive part of the blame goes to those that didn't bother to vote

I dunno - if turnout is so low, does that mean that people who can't bring themselves to support Moore, but can't stomach voting for a Democrat, are staying at home?

One can only hope.....

Leroy42 · 12-12-2017 05:37PM

Schorpio wrote: »

Leroy42 wrote: »

I dunno - if turnout is so low, does that mean that people who can't bring themselves to support Moore, but can't stomach voting for a Democrat, are staying at home?

One can only hope.....

Maybe, but what surely there is more than 10% of them that are against Moore (I'm basing that number of a 50/50 split of the vote).

There must be more people in the state that are not particularly political (so not always R or D no matter what) that could be mobilised to vote to stop Moore.

If the DNC cannot do a better job, how do they expect to win the seats they need to gain control. It won't be done utilizing the normal voters

Billy86 · 12-12-2017 05:38PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Is those numbers are true then is signals very bad news for the DNC. If they could mobilise the vote they would wipe the floor but this is a total failure.

If Moore wins, then a massive part of the blame goes to those that didn't bother to vote

True, but then again nothing else was expected in Alabama which is pretty much the heart of the Cult of (R) - if Ronald Reagan who they worship so much were magically cloned a few months back and was running in Jones' place as a Democrat, those same people would still be staying at home. Voting for a pedophile may be enough to put some of them off voting, but it definitely isn't going to be enough to make them vote AGAINST their (R)eligion, because that's just not allowed. Sure it was just a bit of repeated kiddie fiddling, with multiple victims over several years.

It's also why we've seen Moore disappear almost entirely in the last two or so weeks and the Republican party coming out to endorse him again etc... the mindset that it's not the candidate you are voting for, it's the letter beside their name.

That said, Jones really is not a great candidate for the area - as I said even Ronald Reagan (D) would be a poor candidate for Alabama on the basis of not being part of the cult, but given how much impact the attack on education and critical thinking has had on the people of Alabama, getting someone who dresses like them or used to work in a blue collar job and has a beard would make a notable difference, probably moreso than anything to do with financial or cultural/societal policy. Which is every bit as pathetic as it sounds.

Either way, the letter (R) will win the election today - just because there's a pedophile hiding behind the letter (R) does not stop the fact that it is the letter (R).

Professor Moriarty · 12-12-2017 05:38PM

Pelvis wrote: »

Does anyone else think he's implying something unsavory here???

That's exactly the question being asked in the American media.

The Backwards Man · 12-12-2017 05:41PM

I often think his tweets must be a major dilemma for non-anglophone media, do they quote him verbatim and make it look like they've mistranslated, or clean it up and make him sound coherent?

Leroy42 · 12-12-2017 05:47PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's exactly the question being asked in the American media.

And hopefully the media will actually do a proper job of asking it.

At the press briefing, every single reporter should stick to this topic for once. Instead they all bounce around from topic to topic letting SHS give non answer quotes.

These are official announcements by POTUS, surely the people of the US have a right to know what he meant?

"What did he mean Sarah"
"Oh, I think it clear what he meant"
"How about you treat me like a voter and explain to me cause I don't want to misinterpret it and be called as fake news. What did the Senator agree to do for Trump in return" etc etc

B0jangles · 12-12-2017 06:01PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Is those numbers are true then is signals very bad news for the DNC. If they could mobilise the vote they would wipe the floor but this is a total failure.

If Moore wins, then a massive part of the blame goes to those that didn't bother to vote

It's not just down to voter apathy. Vote suppression tactics have been open and blatant in the last few years in Alabama:

Im the 10 counties with the highest proportion of minorities, the state closed driver's license offices in eight. The other two remained open because it might be too much to explain, I suppose, for Alabama not to have driver's license offices in Montgomery or Selma.
Maybe the governor didn't intend to target minority citizens with the closures, but ultimately his intent is beside the point. The effect was the same, and the reaction was as swift as it was predictable. Alabama again became a national embarrassment.

The NAACP sued and the United States Department of Transportation investigated. Last month, the latter of those two legal actions concluded. "Based on its investigation, DOT has concluded that African Americans residing in the Black Belt region of Alabama disproportionately underserved by ALEA's driver licensing services, causing a disparate and adverse impact on the basis of race," the department said.

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/01/as_it_turns_out_bentleys_drive.html

This was done almost immediately after passing a law requiring voters to have... photo I.D.

Guess which party runs Alabama?

Tell me how · 12-12-2017 06:06PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's exactly the question being asked in the American media.

They're wasting their time asking it.

We all assume he was insinuating something but he and SHS can laugh and say it is the fault of the media for trying to portray him in a poor light.

They can say that it is the media which is making the insinuation by suggesting it and deny that anything other than interpreting the phrase as a figure of speech is not the fault of the president.

60 more seconds off the clock, next question please.

Carry · 12-12-2017 06:14PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I often think his tweets must be a major dilemma for non-anglophone media, do they quote him verbatim and make it look like they've mistranslated, or clean it up and make him sound coherent?

Why would that be a dilemma? At least in German media he is quoted verbatim, that is his original tweets, complete with adequate translation. Anything else would be detected immediately and condemned.
Besides, it would take a lot of effort to make him sound even remotely coherent...

Leroy42 · 12-12-2017 06:14PM

Tell me how wrote: »

They're wasting their time asking it.

We all assume he was insinuating something but he and SHS can laugh and say it is the fault of the media for trying to portray him in a poor light.

They can say that it is the media which is making the insinuation by suggesting it and deny that anything other than interpreting the phrase as a figure of speech is not the fault of the president.

60 more seconds off the clock, next question please.

Yeah I get all that, which is why the next question should be "Well what did he mean"

And the next should be "Did he mean she was looking for extra tax cuts"

It really is not that hard to pin them down once they actually put their minds to it.

Captain Obvious · 12-12-2017 06:22PM

B0jangles wrote: »

It's not just down to voter apathy. Vote suppression tactics have been open and blatant in the last few years in Alabama:

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/01/as_it_turns_out_bentleys_drive.html

This was done almost immediately after passing a law requiring voters to have... photo I.D.

Guess which party runs Alabama?

I think that thing was a bit overblown. If I recall, the ones that were closed serviced an extremely small percentage of people and most have been opened. But I take your point with the voter suppression. I understand the parties do have teams of lawyers at polling stations questioning peoples identity.

Tell me how · 12-12-2017 06:26PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah I get all that, which is why the next question should be "Well what did he mean"

And the next should be "Did he mean she was looking for extra tax cuts"

It really is not that hard to pin them down once they actually put their minds to it.

How many examples have you of where they were successfully pinned down though?

See yesterday when asked if Trump should resign, SHS went on rant about fake news.

Hande hoche! · 12-12-2017 07:43PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's exactly the question being asked in the American media.

It's got people talking. At the same time, Warren isn't exactly helping things.

https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/940615748988342273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmpcdot.com%2Fforums%2Ftopic%2F8496-the-donald-trump-presidential-archive%2Fpage__st__31400

C14N · 12-12-2017 09:35PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Alabama election is today, and to help clear Roy Moore's name last night apparently a friend of his at a rally told the anecdote of that time we wound up in a child brothel, but only by accident!

It's amazing how frequently this has needed to be said in the last 12 months, but I'm not even joking - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-moore-vietnam-brothel_us_5a2f5432e4b046175432cce3

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Captain Obvious wrote: »

That's pathetic for such an important election.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Is those numbers are true then is signals very bad news for the DNC. If they could mobilise the vote they would wipe the floor but this is a total failure.

If Moore wins, then a massive part of the blame goes to those that didn't bother to vote

I'm quite certain those turnout numbers are considered above average for a special election in Alabama. Nobody was expecting presidential levels of turnout for an election like this.

Water John · 12-12-2017 09:39PM

CNN saying turnout higher than candidate selection primaries, but lower than Presidential Election.

MadYaker · 12-12-2017 09:39PM

That’s a fcuking stupid question for someone to ask. What sort of answer were they expecting? It’s unlikely you’re going to see a collective effort from the WH press core to make life difficult for SHS in the press conferences. With this administration they will just remove press passes from people they don’t like.

Water John · 12-12-2017 09:46PM

You're not going to get a straight answer from SHS, any time. It's not the place to run the media battle. Your playing their game on their ground.

Tell me how · 12-12-2017 09:48PM

MadYaker wrote: »

That’s a fcuking stupid question for someone to ask. What sort of answer were they expecting? It’s unlikely you’re going to see a collective effort from the WH press core to make life difficult for SHS in the press conferences. With this administration they will just remove press passes from people they don’t like.

That's exactly what did happen here though.

One journalist asked a follow up question which SHS refused to answer, because she was moving on but the next journalist said that she'd take it up and asked the same question.

i wonder what the tension between the journalists in the room is like given that you have CNN sitting beside Fox and so on.

For Forks Sake · 12-12-2017 09:53PM

This is wrong on so, so many levels: A Pro-Trump Super PAC Sent a 12-Year-Old Girl to Interview Roy Moore

Itssoeasy · 12-12-2017 10:00PM

Tell me how wrote: »

That's exactly what did happen here though.

One journalist asked a follow up question which SHS refused to answer, because she was moving on but the next journalist said that she'd take it up and asked the same question.

i wonder what the tension between the journalists in the room is like given that you have CNN sitting beside Fox and so on.

Well I think there is no tension as John Roberts who is the senior white house correspondent seems to not be buying into the Fox line about Trump. Also the white press pool spend a lot time together and I'd assume on a personal level they get on fine.

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