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The words "died unexpectedly" on a death notice.

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  • 11-12-2017 9:57pm
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    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,461 ✭✭✭✭


    I've never understood this being put on death notices. People do die suddenly but death at some point isn't unexpected.

    I mean if you're in your 70s or 80s then you are expecting to die. I'm sure people want to live as long as they can but when it does happen it's not unexpected.


    Yes I had a lot of time to think over the weekend and it was something that came up.


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    Vex Willems
    Registered Users Posts: 503 ✭✭✭Vex Willems


    How hard is it to understand that people who aren't ill die unexpectedly!


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    dmc17
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    I think it is more a case of dying without any warning or being ill. If you had a terminal illness, then you may be expected to die within a more predictable timeframe


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    whoopsadoodles
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    dmc17 wrote: »
    I think it is more a case of dying without any warning

    You mean....unexpectedly?


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Do you seriously not understand?


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    Subacio
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Subacio


    I once read an obituary in the local paper and it included the following gem. "His death came as a big surprise to many, sadly including himself, as he was due to go on a safari holiday next month."


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    RayM
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    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I mean if you're in your 70s or 80s then you are expecting to die. I'm sure people want to live as long as they can but when it does happen it's not unexpected.

    If a person seems relatively healthy one day, and is dead the next, well that's unexpected, whatever their age.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Theodore Fluffy Net wrote: »
    Do you seriously not understand?

    It’s notsoeasy, or so it would seem.


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    gctest50
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    You can drop dead without warning at any time.

    Eg. About 1 in 50 have an aneurysm - fatal about 40% of the time


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    Snotty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Snotty


    So a one year old baby dies and you think "sure everyone dies, this is no different"
    Scraping the bottom of the barrel for threads this evening.


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    riffmongous
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    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I've never understood this being put on death notices. People do die suddenly but death at some point isn't unexpected.

    I mean if you're in your 70s or 80s then you are expecting to die. I'm sure people want to live as long as they can but when it does happen it's not unexpected.


    Yes I had a lot of time to think over the weekend and it was something that came up.
    Someone in their 70s could still live for as long a period of time as I have been alive so far, (which is a bit crazy when I think about it and how I'm starting to feel oldish) and they don't spend that time just waiting to die. So if they are not ill it's still unexpected.


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    Tom Mann Centuria
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    Surprisingly died.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    The death has occurred of colour-blind Fred. He thought the lights were green when they were red.


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    milehip
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    Hay for sale


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    elperello
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    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I've never understood this being put on death notices. People do die suddenly but death at some point isn't unexpected.

    I mean if you're in your 70s or 80s then you are expecting to die. I'm sure people want to live as long as they can but when it does happen it's not unexpected.


    Yes I had a lot of time to think over the weekend and it was something that came up.

    Try to find someone to talk to about things like this.


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    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    gctest50 wrote: »
    You can drop dead without warning at any time.

    Exactl


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    mfceiling
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    Like ricky gervais talking about the 90 year old woman who was attacked and suffered a bad facial cut. Local newsagent says to him "poor old lady.....scarred for life"


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    darkdubh
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    Often an euphemism for suicide, especially if it was a quite young person. It's probably the biggest killer in this country for under 40's.


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    lazybones32
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    I've seen it used as code for suicide. If "donations to Pieta House in lieu of flowers" accompanies it, well...


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    riffmongous
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    I thought 'tragically' was the code for suicide?


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    bottlebrush
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    The thing about death notices that I don't understand are the ones that read like CVs. I read one recently that had all the qualifications of the deceased ie a string of letters after her name and not only that but had all the academic credentials of her surviving relatives listed as well. is the man at the pearly gates going to ask her how successful she and her relations were in academia before deciding whether she gets in or not? I mean when I read the death notice I would have known who she was anyway without all that palaver.


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    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    riffmongous wrote: »
    I thought 'tragically' was the code for suicide?

    And untimely, but that could be for an accident too.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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    endacl
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    Theodore Fluffy Net wrote: »
    Do you seriously not understand?

    Comprehended unexpectedly?


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    Snotty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Snotty


    darkdubh wrote: »
    Often an euphemism for suicide, especially if it was a quite young person. It's probably the biggest killer in this country for under 40's.

    Unexpectedly is just code for "wasn't terminally or gravely I'll", tragic would be more suicide related but not a definite code.


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    endacl
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    bottlebrush wrote: »
    The thing about death notices that I don't understand are the ones that read like CVs. I read one recently that had all the qualifications of the deceased ie a string of letters after her name and not only that but had all the academic credentials of her surviving relatives listed as well. is the man at the pearly gates going to ask her how successful she and her relations were in academia before deciding whether she gets in or not? I mean when I read the death notice I would have known who she was anyway without all that palaver.

    I totally agree.

    Endacl MSc PGradDip HDip Bmus.


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    darkdubh wrote: »
    Often an euphemism for suicide, especially if it was a quite young person. It's probably the biggest killer in this country for under 40's.
    lazybones32 wrote: »
    I've seen it used as code for suicide. If "donations to Pieta House in lieu of flowers" accompanies it, well...

    Not really. It's usually, 'after a short/long illness...', ' unexpectedly', 'peacefully', etc.

    Tragically or unexpectedly can, of course, refer to suicide but by no means exclusively.


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    bottlebrush
    Registered Users Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭bottlebrush


    endacl wrote: »
    I totally agree.

    Endacl MSc PGradDip HDip Bmus.

    death the leveler


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    #28
    screamer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭screamer


    We have many words which we use where death is concerned.
    Yes death is an eventuality... Doesn't make it any less shocking or unexpected when it happens. Especially if the person was healthy and just died no matter whether they are 9 or 90. It's a shock to their loved ones and saying "oh well sure we all die" is not going to change that.


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    bottlebrush wrote: »
    death the leveler

    Soon to be a spirit leveller.


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    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    In the highly unlikely event that I live beyond 80, I want the words "died eventually" on my death notice.


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    #31
    tayto lover
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    Myself and another lad at work used to play a game of "Obituaries" when we got the morning Independent. It was for a fiver. He got "suddenly" and "unexpectedly" and I got "peacefully" on it's own. The game was always very close.
    It was a very busy office we worked in obviously.

    At the end of the day all deaths are due to lack of breath.


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