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DCM 2017 Graduates: Onwards and upwards!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Does Doms after a hills session fall into the overuse/niggles category? Or is it something that you can run on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Sitting in hotel lobby in Clon ready to go. Have changed to the full. Zero degrees in the car on the way down! Hope this is a good idea!!!

    El C, I’m number 1446 if I pass you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Sitting in hotel lobby in Clon ready to go. Have changed to the full. Zero degrees in the car on the way down! Hope this is a good idea!!!

    El C, I’m number 1446 if I pass you.

    You rock dying to hear how it goes!!!

    Parkrun comeback for me this morning! 24:57 official time, previous parkrun pb was 26:27 in April so that's a whopping 90 seconds improvement. Thrilled with that and no knee pain - mild DOMS yes, pain/niggles no. Butt is killing me after it though but I'm hoping that's a good sign that I activated my glutes??

    Have to go back now and read El Cab's post, I have a feeling it might relate to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    ariana` wrote: »
    You rock dying to hear how it goes!!!

    Parkrun comeback for me this morning! 24:57 official time, previous parkrun pb was 26:27 in April so that's a whopping 90 seconds improvement. Thrilled with that and no knee pain - mild DOMS yes, pain/niggles no. Butt is killing me after it though but I'm hoping that's a good sign that I activated my glutes??

    Have to go back now and read El Cab's post, I have a feeling it might relate to me.

    Oh it's definitely relating to more than you if it even relates to you at all. You're not overdoing the miles and you're planning to stick to a training plan. You're doing it right methinks. :)


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    I've been thinking about this anyway, but in light of El C’s excellent post, can somebody tell me more about S&C?

    I do zero at the moment.

    Do I have to join a gym to do it, or can I do it at home? At home, will this require a lot of equipment? At present I have an exercise mat and some weights (a bit like these: https://d2gg9evh47fn9z.cloudfront.net/800px_COLOURBOX3089836.jpg).

    I Googled S&C and found this. But that requires all sorts of equipment that I don’t have like a step, exercise ball and a kettlebell. They also seem pretty complicated (some of them anyway). Is there a more back-to-basics / minimal equipment version that I could start out with?

    Also, when and how often to do them? I run (in general) Monday, Wednesday and Friday mornings very early, and Saturday at 9.30am for Parkrun. Would S&C on alternate days work, ie, Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday mornings? Or would that be too little time to recover until the next run, and would I be better off doing them the evening I’ve done runs?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    quickbeam wrote: »
    I've been thinking about this anyway, but in light of El C’s excellent post, can somebody tell me more about S&C?

    I do zero at the moment.

    Do I have to join a gym to do it, or can I do it at home? At home, will this require a lot of equipment? At present I have an exercise mat and some weights (a bit like these: https://d2gg9evh47fn9z.cloudfront.net/800px_COLOURBOX3089836.jpg).

    I Googled S&C and found this. But that requires all sorts of equipment that I don’t have like a step, exercise ball and a kettlebell. They also seem pretty complicated (some of them anyway). Is there a more back-to-basics / minimal equipment version that I could start out with?

    Also, when and how often to do them? I run (in general) Monday, Wednesday and Friday mornings very early, and Saturday at 9.30am for Parkrun. Would S&C on alternate days work, ie, Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday mornings? Or would that be too little time to recover until the next run, and would I be better off doing them the evening I’ve done runs?

    I'm sensing someone has been more than a little bitten by the running bug! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    Does Doms after a hills session fall into the overuse/niggles category? Or is it something that you can run on?

    DOMS is fine SB, it's just delayed soreness from doing a workout you're not used to, once you start to adapt and get stronger, it'll ease off in it's severity. Just take it handy the day after if you have a run, you'll probably feel terrible starting off but it should feel better once you get moving and the blood gets circulating.
    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Sitting in hotel lobby in Clon ready to go. Have changed to the full. Zero degrees in the car on the way down! Hope this is a good idea!!!

    El C, I’m number 1446 if I pass you.

    Hey KG! Unfortunately I couldn't make it down today but hope all went to plan and you feel good
    ariana` wrote: »
    You rock dying to hear how it goes!!!

    Parkrun comeback for me this morning! 24:57 official time, previous parkrun pb was 26:27 in April so that's a whopping 90 seconds improvement. Thrilled with that and no knee pain - mild DOMS yes, pain/niggles no. Butt is killing me after it though but I'm hoping that's a good sign that I activated my glutes??

    Have to go back now and read El Cab's post, I have a feeling it might relate to me.

    Congrats on the PB ariana, great to hear!:) haha, maybe you prompted me to post it but the post relates to everyone both on this thread and anyone who runs. Good to hear the knee is on the mend but be careful*wags finger*:p
    quickbeam wrote: »
    I've been thinking about this anyway, but in light of El C’s excellent post, can somebody tell me more about S&C?

    I do zero at the moment.

    Do I have to join a gym to do it, or can I do it at home? At home, will this require a lot of equipment? At present I have an exercise mat and some weights (a bit like these: https://d2gg9evh47fn9z.cloudfront.net/800px_COLOURBOX3089836.jpg).

    I Googled S&C and found this. But that requires all sorts of equipment that I don’t have like a step, exercise ball and a kettlebell. They also seem pretty complicated (some of them anyway). Is there a more back-to-basics / minimal equipment version that I could start out with?

    Also, when and how often to do them? I run (in general) Monday, Wednesday and Friday mornings very early, and Saturday at 9.30am for Parkrun. Would S&C on alternate days work, ie, Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday mornings? Or would that be too little time to recover until the next run, and would I be better off doing them the evening I’ve done runs?

    Hey Quickbeam, you don't need equipment really to help with Strength and flexibility training although a resistance band may be helpful, you can pick these up fairy cheaply in most sports shops and the likes of argos even do them. Something good to start off with might be the 30 day challenge which some graduates have used in the past Here's a link:

    http://www.kinetic-revolution.com/30daychallenge/?sc=KRSidejamesdunne

    You should get a lot of benefit in both strength and mobility from doing this and you won't need any heavy equipment, just 15-20 minutes to spare. You can do this alternate days and the evenings should be just fine if that suits you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    Ariana huge congratulations on the PB fantastic delighted for you :)

    Skyblue how are the doms today I always they peak and then go and if timed right an nice easy run on day 3 sorts them out, well so I have found anyway

    I never got out again today, down with a sore throat and feeling crap I am hoping I get out tomorrow weather permitting if we get the weather they are forecasting snow that may put a stop to my plans


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Baby75 wrote: »
    Ariana huge congratulations on the PB fantastic delighted for you :)

    Skyblue how are the doms today I always they peak and then go and if timed right an nice easy run on day 3 sorts them out, well so I have found anyway

    I never got out again today, down with a sore throat and feeling crap I am hoping I get out tomorrow weather permitting if we get the weather they are forecasting snow that may put a stop to my plans

    I went for an hour very easy on Thursday, the day after the hills, and I seemed to be worse. Rested on Friday and did the tempo run in the plan this morning. I'd say I'm 95% right now, thanks for asking. I'm not exactly looking forward to a long run in the freezing cold tomorrow though!! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Hi guys, race report is here in my log.

    Bit of an epistle.

    Get better soon Baby. Glad the DOMS are settling SB. Hoping I don’t have them tomorrow.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    I went for an hour very easy on Thursday, the day after the hills, and I seemed to be worse. Rested on Friday and did the tempo run in the plan this morning. I'd say I'm 95% right now, thanks for asking. I'm not exactly looking forward to a long run in the freezing cold tomorrow though!! :o

    ooh wrap up warm :D

    Kellygirl

    off to read that report :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Baby75 wrote: »
    ooh wrap up warm :D

    Kellygirl

    off to read that report :)

    At the Parkrun today I wore a base layer tshirt, base layer long sleeve, long sleeve top, marathon top, jacket, race series bandana as a snood, shorts, leggings, hat and 2 pairs of gloves!!! :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    At the Parkrun today I wore a base layer tshirt, base layer long sleeve, long sleeve top, marathon top, jacket, race series bandana as a snood, shorts, leggings, hat and 2 pairs of gloves!!! :pac::pac:

    You’d be in trouble racing in the arctic circle if you ever got the notion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    At the Parkrun today I wore a base layer tshirt, base layer long sleeve, long sleeve top, marathon top, jacket, race series bandana as a snood, shorts, leggings, hat and 2 pairs of gloves!!! :pac::pac:

    I'm the same lately lol really feeling the cold
    What's Dublin like this morning Carlow has a nice blanket of snow are you still heading out on your LSR


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Baby75 wrote: »
    I'm the same lately lol really feeling the cold
    What's Dublin like this morning Carlow has a nice blanket of snow are you still heading out on your LSR

    There's no snow where I am. I'm both jealous and relieved at once! It's snowing up the hills though. Raining heavily here.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    El Caballo wrote: »
    Hey Quickbeam, you don't need equipment really to help with Strength and flexibility training although a resistance band may be helpful, you can pick these up fairy cheaply in most sports shops and the likes of argos even do them. Something good to start off with might be the 30 day challenge which some graduates have used in the past Here's a link:

    http://www.kinetic-revolution.com/30daychallenge/?sc=KRSidejamesdunne

    You should get a lot of benefit in both strength and mobility from doing this and you won't need any heavy equipment, just 15-20 minutes to spare. You can do this alternate days and the evenings should be just fine if that suits you.

    Ooooh, just checked out the link. I remember The Muppet recommending it, but that was when I was just still trying to complete C25K so didn't mean much to me at the time. Will definitely look to start this asap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    I got out for nearly 5km :) nice easy and slow :) it was both lovely to be out but hard work as well slogging through slush and snow no issues with knee or foot all still feeling good

    going to do some S&C here at home myself And I hope I can now start the plan this week.

    my club does a great speed session with yoga and S&C after it so going to that this week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭RolandDeschain


    First week of the half marathon plan done. Absolutely shattered on the long run today. Had a few sneaky ones last night. Half an hour in to the run the regret began and continued for the next hour.

    Good to be back on a plan.

    I'm away next weekend. Just wondering is it more beneficial to move the second session or the long run to the Thursday?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    First week of the half marathon plan done. Absolutely shattered on the long run today. Had a few sneaky ones last night. Half an hour in to the run the regret began and continued for the next hour.

    Good to be back on a plan.

    I'm away next weekend. Just wondering is it more beneficial to move the second session or the long run to the Thursday?

    I'm sure the lads will be along to offer some advice but I think one of the step ups on this plan is the long run on tired legs after the session the day before. On the marathon plan we had a rest day or easy day before the LSR. Maybe do the Saturday session on Wednesday and the long run on Thursday :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Just looking up the weather there as it’s become a complete habit - yet i’m taking a week’s rest and no races to think about. Feels strange. I finally feel that I can take a short break. For some reason after Dublin I was restless and not ready for a break or just not able to stop. I still have 19 miles to do before New Year so that will keep me going until then.

    I think I need to get back into S&C too. Been neglecting it lately and used enjoy it. Rambling really :-)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Hi guys, race report is here in my log.

    Bit of an epistle.

    Get better soon Baby. Glad the DOMS are settling SB. Hoping I don’t have them tomorrow.

    Great stuff KG! Heard the black pudding was a right treat:). Rest up and mind the mind the knee.
    skyblue46 wrote: »
    I'm sure the lads will be along to offer some advice but I think one of the step ups on this plan is the long run on tired legs after the session the day before. On the marathon plan we had a rest day or easy day before the LSR. Maybe do the Saturday session on Wednesday and the long run on Thursday :confused:

    That's the idea alright SB, you want to build up the cumulative fatigue so you are tired heading into the long run thus getting more benefit from it.

    Where I would be cautious is moving sessions and long runs forward especially this early in the plan when you are just getting used to them. If you move both forward to Wednesday/Thursday, you end up with two tempo/threshold workouts and 2 long runs in 5 days when you look at the plan from Saturday to Thursday. What would you think of that week if it was laid out in Monday to Sunday? See even though the weeks look to end on Sunday and begin on Monday, fatigue doesn't quite understand the calendar. It doesn't know the difference between Monday or Thursday so it's best to look at this section of training from the isolation of Saturday to Thursday and that is a tough week to put down.

    If it was moved a day forward, it wouldn't be too bad but moving them 3 days forward is a lot.

    Roland, If it was me. I'd drop the Saturday Workout completely and move the long run to the following Monday if possible which should give you a better spacing between runs. It may not give the same benefit of fatigue as in the plan but you can only work with what you got and really shouldn't do much harm if it doesn't happen too often. You'll still get a lot of benefit from the long run itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭Damo 2k9


    El C, question regarding recovery. Thus far during sessions, for recovery ive just been taking a breather, not continuing to jog the recperiod. Wondering what you do yourself, obviously itll depend on the strength of runner so not expecting to follow suit straight away, but would love to hear the thoughts of active and passive recovery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭clickerquicklic


    8x600 @ race pace with 2 min rec
    6x800 @ race pace with 2 min rec
    5x1k @ race pace with 2 min rec

    Got through the 2nd one of these , it was difficult slipping on icy roads actually fell over twice.

    I can see what your doing here , 5k worth of work at 5k pace , would the natural progression from these be 4*1200 , 3*1600 ?
    If you cross over 5k worth of work is 5k pace too hard for a session for example I am considering progressing to

    6*1km
    4*1 mile
    5*1 mile
    6* 1 mile

    should I do the last two at 5 mile and 10k pace ? Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,501 ✭✭✭positron


    I am feeling inspired (yet again) by Wubbles Wonders; any thoughts and recommendations about Spring marathons, near or not-too-far?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    positron wrote: »
    I am feeling inspired (yet again) by Wubbles Wonders; any thoughts and recommendations about Spring marathons, near or not-too-far?

    Manchester in April?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    positron wrote: »
    I am feeling inspired (yet again) by Wubbles Wonders; any thoughts and recommendations about Spring marathons, near or not-too-far?

    what about

    Connemarathon in April
    Cork in June
    Viking Waterford Marathon June which they say is flat :D:D nope it is not

    I am sure there are more though :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Baby75 wrote: »
    what about

    Connemarathon in April
    Cork in June
    Viking Waterford Marathon June which they say is flat :D:D nope it is not

    I am sure there are more though :)

    Limerick is the May bank holiday weekend I think. Supposed to be a good one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    El Caballo wrote: »
    I kind of want to talk about this as a lot of you guys seem to having issues with reoccurring injuries/Niggles at the minute.

    Firstly, I think it's important to realise why they happen. As a lot of people here are newer to running/physical activity or haven't done so in years. Structurely, you're body is going to be weak and underprepared for the rigours of road running. Running is a high impact sport and this can cause issues when there is weaknesses or lack of flexibility issues in our bodies. The issue with this is that our fitness increases rapidly in contrast to our muscles and tendons which take much longer to adapt to the stress of running than our lungs and heart.

    So while the capacity to run faster and longer improves quickly, the muscles and tendons lag behind and this leads to what are called overuse injuries which are very common for all runners but especially newer runners who haven't had the years of adaption that training brings. A few examples of overuse injuries would be all the typical ones you hear of like IT band, runners knee, piriformis issues etc etc.

    The term overuse itself should be self explanatory i.e too much, too soon. The best way to avoid these type of injuries is through S&C, flexibility drills and a gradual build-up of mileage. You are only as strong as your weakest link so while your cardiovascular strength might be excellent and you feel you could run 80 miles a week, it's not much good if your body can only handle 20 miles a week without getting injured and that needs to be considered when you decide how much training you can do. Ideally, you want to slowly build up this weak point so you can increase the volume of training you can do.

    That's prevention but we also need to look at rehab as well when you do get injured. The same applies here regarding S&C and flexibility but rest plays a very important role in this. When you are injured, rest is hugely important in recovery as you have to give your body a chance to recover. If you don't, you are only prolonging injuries which will limit your training or make the injury worse until you start to address the problem. Injuries are hugely frustrating and the R word is not something runners like to hear but they are a part of the sport and how you manage them will go a long way to determining how successful you will be. It might hurt to have to take time off in the short term but it is nearly always the right decision in the long-term. You have to be as proactive in managing your recovery from injuries/niggles as you are towards your training to get the most out of your running.

    If you are struggling with an overuse injury, you will definitely have to pull the plug on races/workouts and dial back mileage or take complete rest if nessacary. Would you still like to be feeling like you are during an injury right now in 6 months without managing it or back on the road niggle free in a month if you do address it?

    I've been thinking a bit about this.

    I took complete rest for 3 weeks following DCM. I started S&C 3 weeks ago and my mileage is still low following DCM. But i would like to start building the mileage again in 3 weeks time.

    So with a view to that, and baring in mind i am still getting niggles/pain intermittently in the right knee on some runs, what is the best advice? Carry on as I am and assess in another few weeks? Make a physio appointment and get professional advice asap? If i was told to rest completely then in my eyes the next 2-3 weeks would be the time to do that as i'd like to hit the ground in the new year running (literally). So I've probably answered my own question there :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    positron wrote: »
    I am feeling inspired (yet again) by Wubbles Wonders; any thoughts and recommendations about Spring marathons, near or not-too-far?

    https://marathonclubireland.com/2018-marathons/

    There's plenty of choice :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    skyblue46 wrote: »

    Gosh so many... there really is no excuse not to fit one in :eek: It's the training that's the hard part :rolleyes: I really want to get back to doing a decent LSR even 12-14 miles and keep that consistently so then the jump into a marathon plan is a gentle step more than a huge leap.


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