Destiny General Discussion Thread

klose · 07-12-2017 12:59pm

The bad press destiny 2 is getting brings a smile to my face after how they whittled the game down to a husk compared to what we had in destiny 1, couldn't have any less sympathy for them. Watched a video on Coo last night and could only laugh at the content that dropped.

CDBWhoop · 07-12-2017 1:35pm

Its all about the spendgame!

Look, if Destiny 2 had hit the heights we'd hoped for - with the all quality of life and other changes that were clearly signposted by the community while D2 was in development - I doubt anyone would have any issue with Eververse and the in-game transactions.

They didn't bother me when they first appeared in Destiny 1 and I didn't ever feel compelled to buy what was on offer but to me this is different now and I think they've badly misjudged the willingness of the playerbase to go along with their microtransaction bull****, especially in light of the CoO DLC being poorly received (short but beautiful), and now are rightly (imo) getting hammered for these poor decisions.

My name is URL · 07-12-2017 1:36pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

that they had a state of Destiny 2 thing last week - talked about being more open and more tranparent... and follow it up with:

A sandbox patch they didn't announce/detail until after they dropped it.
Locking Vanilla players out of a Raid mode they had access to the day before...

Its insane.

Apparently MS have temporarily ceased issuing refunds since Bungie 'are now aware of the problem' and have said that if it's not dealt with within 24 hours they'll start giving refunds again.

Be interesting to see how Bungie handle it now. Will they roll back on the decision to lock Prestige behind DLC or what...

SeanHarty · 07-12-2017 1:37pm

CDBWhoop wrote: »

Its all about the spendgame!

Look, if Destiny 2 had hit the heights we'd hoped for - with the all quality of life and other changes that were clearly signposted by the community while D2 was in development - I doubt anyone would have any issue with Eververse and the in-game transactions.

They didn't bother me when they first appeared in Destiny 1 and I didn't ever feel compelled to buy what was on offer but to me this is different now and I think they've badly misjudged the willingness of the playerbase to go along with their microtransaction bull****, especially in light of the CoO DLC being poorly received (short but beautiful), and now are rightly (imo) getting hammered for these poor decisions.

Haven't played the new DLC yet, gonna wait till the weekend so I can go through the new storyline in one or two sittings, but in general I've heard its alright not great and maybe not value for money but an ok attempt I suppose.

Maybe I'm trying to convince myself it'll be ok because I bought the season pass

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2017 1:52pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Apparently MS have temporarily ceased issuing refunds since Bungie 'are now aware of the problem' and have said that if it's not dealt with within 24 hours they'll start giving refunds again.

Be interesting to see how Bungie handle it now. Will they roll back on the decision to lock Prestige behind DLC or what...

Whatever they do - it would require a huge change.

1. Allow Vanilla players to access it - would need to allow them to get to 330LL, which would mean they need to be able to hit level 25 in order to equip the light level stuff needed.

2. Drop it back down to previous level and allowing access that way - damage scaling etc would need to be looked at etc.

The issue here is this was deliberate from Bungie - they chose a model and change that would exclude people from a Raid they had access to. This isn't something that could have gone unnoticed. At some point, they sat around a table and decided excluding people from end game raid they had access to was fine. While the sh1tstorm has been going on over the lack of end game, and their state of Destiny stuff last week..... they have further reduced the end game content for their player base.

CDBWhoop · 07-12-2017 2:03pm

SeanHarty wrote: »

Haven't played the new DLC yet, gonna wait till the weekend so I can go through the new storyline in one or two sittings, but in general I've heard its alright not great and maybe not value for money but an ok attempt I suppose.

Maybe I'm trying to convince myself it'll be ok because I bought the season pass

Played through it with cuhlcannon last night and really enjoyed it, it's absolutely beautiful so no worries there.

cavemeister · 07-12-2017 2:33pm

Bungie have really cocked up here big time with locked content since CoO DLC.

The only thing I can think of for them to get around this is to award the platinum trophy to players who complete the 300 level raid (normal) and without the CoO content.

Either that or just allow the refunds.

It reminds me of the old saying.. "A camel is a horse built by a committee"

If Activision had just left Bungie alone to make the game the way they wanted to make it, it would have been fine. Instead they probably had their own dev and finance teams on site dictating as to how this game will cater to casual players and increase their shareholder dividend.

and FCUK everyone else.

I'd say the Bungie offices are very quiet these days... They had something beautiful and Activision destroyed it.

jcd5971 · 07-12-2017 2:43pm

If they want to monitize the game why not just sell the weapon skins and emotes, ships and sparrows etc. Exclusively.

As long as they don't have in game advantages I'm happy out.

My name is URL · 07-12-2017 3:14pm

Some talk now of Trials being cancelled due to the Prometheus Lens bug. No official word on it yet though

ItsHoggie · 07-12-2017 3:45pm

I remember there was a Cucible mode that was advertised and released with the Taken King and when Rise of Iron came out I was locked out those modes and was only left play on the "classic" maps and modes, basically locked out of content I payed for because I didn't pay for the new stuff. It's no surprise to me Bungie are doing this again.

cavemeister · 07-12-2017 3:50pm

ItsHoggie wrote: »

I remember there was a Cucible mode that was advertised and released with the Taken King and when Rise of Iron came out I was locked out those modes and was only left play on the "classic" maps and modes, basically locked out of content I payed for because I didn't pay for the new stuff. It's no surprise to me Bungie are doing this again.

But so soon? From a PC player perspective, imagine getting locked out of VOG activities after a month from launch?

SeanHarty · 07-12-2017 3:52pm

cavemeister wrote: »

But so soon? From a PC player perspective, imagine getting locked out of VOG activities after a month from launch?

that's just ridiculous :mad:

have any other games done anything like this?

the rise of DLC's is really taking the piss now, gone are the good ole days that when you got a game it was actually complete and you weren't pretty much beta testing it for a few months like we seem to be with some many games now.

SolvableKnave · 07-12-2017 4:01pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Some talk now of Trials being cancelled due to the Prometheus Lens bug. No official word on it yet though

It needs to happen. The damage the gun puts out is just bonkers. Either cancel trials or force Xur to sell it so EVERYONE has it. Most likely Trials be cancelled. Though I think they have more urgent issues on the plate, what with MS supposedly giving Bungie 24 hours to sort out the locked content preventing people from 100% the achievements. Really big ****show release.

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2017 4:10pm

I reckon Trials will be cancelled - but it really is a situation that Bungie shold be reacting to quickly and getting a fix out immediately. By the time trials comes round, will 2 days not have been enough to do something?

Didn't epic games fix an autorifle bug in Fortnite in that timeframe?

SeanHarty · 07-12-2017 4:19pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I reckon Trials will be cancelled - but it really is a situation that Bungie shold be reacting to quickly and getting a fix out immediately. By the time trials comes round, will 2 days not have been enough to do something?

Didn't epic games fix an autorifle bug in Fortnite in that timeframe?

Its nearly unfair to compare the way epic games have dealt with fortnite issues with the way bungie have dealt with destiny issues.

Epic have been amazing in listening to the community and dropping patch's and updates extremely quick.

Extremely impressed with the way Epic have done with Fortnite, will be top of my list whenever they release a game now.

jcd5971 · 07-12-2017 4:21pm

I'd imagine trials will get cancelled for at least a week,probably something easy enough to fix BUT losing money will 100% be the priority fix.

Kiith · 07-12-2017 4:26pm

I haven't played in ages and probably won't even get the DLC (at least not yet), so my opinion probably doesn't matter...but locking out content, that you got with the base game, after a DLC release as absolute and utter bull****.

Dcully · 07-12-2017 4:26pm

I didn't buy the expansion because I know full well after 2 hours of gameplay there will be literally nothing to do as before.

Its not that the game lacks content its the systems in place for an sort of progression or meaningful activities that is sadly lacking resulting in zero incentive to play, they could learn an awful lot from Digital Extremes with warframe how they threat their playerbase and how they create real endgame content.
So this DLC BS so soon after release did not sit right with me initially and certainly does not now after hearing of this utter BULL**** of gating us behind a paywall.
They are doing their best to oust EA as the most despicable games company.

SolvableKnave · 07-12-2017 4:31pm

Kiith wrote: »

I haven't played in ages and probably won't even get the DLC (at least not yet), so my opinion probably doesn't matter...but locking out content, that you got with the base game, after a DLC release as absolute and utter bull****.

You won't get any arguments from anyone here. It's just another step backwards, and after making some positive noises last week.

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2017 4:31pm

Really looking forward to the TWAB later....

"Trials cancelled until we fix Prometheus bug".
"We are gathering your feedback and we will discuss our thoughts with you when we have collated the data"
"Here's some montages from YouTube".

SolvableKnave · 07-12-2017 4:32pm

Dcully wrote: »

They are doing their best to oust EA as the most despicable games company.

It hasn't gotten that bad yet. (The Eververse stuff is still only cosmetic) :cool::D:rolleyes:

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2017 4:34pm

SolvableKnave wrote: »

You won't get any arguments from anyone here. It's just another step backwards, and after making some positive noises last week.

And that is really why the TWAB will be interesting later.

We heard what they said last week, we heard how they promised to discuss the game with us more - and discuss it prior to having a solution too; I know it has only been 2 days since the content release, but if they don't say something meaningful today their words last week will ring as hollow as we feared they would be.

Dcully · 07-12-2017 4:51pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

And that is really why the TWAB will be interesting later.

We heard what they said last week, we heard how they promised to discuss the game with us more - and discuss it prior to having a solution too; I know it has only been 2 days since the content release, but if they don't say something meaningful today their words last week will ring as hollow as we feared they would be.

Its already too late for a lot of us, I lost hope long ago.

SeanHarty · 07-12-2017 4:53pm

Games company's have become laughable from the goings on over the last few weeks in regards to Bungie and EA.

I don't think ill ever buy another EA game, seriously considering adding Bungie and Activision to that list.

Going to spend a lot more time researching new games before I buy them in terms of how the developer has treated its customer base, games going up to a standard of 75euro+ makes it very worth while so you don't lose out.

Mitch Connor · 07-12-2017 4:57pm

Dcully wrote: »

Its already too late for a lot of us, I lost hope long ago.

and that is fair enough.

Personally I know i will still be playing destiny.

I will finish the story on my Titan tonight, maybe do some adventures. Try to level myself up a bit before the new raid lair on Friday. Will be giving it a bash over the weekend.

I still don't see myself stopping playing. I also know I will still be optimistic about what they release in the new year.

There is a far more reasonable expectation, imo, that the DLC in March/April will be more substantive and address more of the issues - and then in September i would expect a big, big change in the game with the release of the year 2 expansion (or at least I expect one) - similar to how TTK was a huge change for Destiny 1.

I see the issues, I complain about them. but at the end of the day, I still enjoy the game when I play it.

If I don't get a Jade Rabbit i'm gonna burn the place down though.

CDBWhoop · 07-12-2017 5:05pm

SeanHarty wrote: »

Games company's have become laughable from the goings on over the last few weeks in regards to Bungie and EA.

I don't think ill ever buy another EA game, seriously considering adding Bungie and Activision to that list.

Going to spend a lot more time researching new games before I buy them in terms of how the developer has treated its customer base, games going up to a standard of 75euro+ makes it very worth while so you don't lose out.

The other option is to wait a few months after release and pick the games up at a reasonable price. Easier said than done I know but having a decent backlog of games helps.

SeanHarty · 07-12-2017 5:09pm

CDBWhoop wrote: »

The other option is to wait a few months after release and pick the games up at a reasonable price. Easier said than done I know but having a decent backlog of games helps.

Yeah I've held off a good bit really recently, have a good back log now, only problem is I generally like competitive PvP games and if you wait to long either the game could be dead or people are so far ahead of you in regards to weapons and that its hard to get into them.

jcd5971 · 07-12-2017 5:50pm

Dcully wrote:

They are doing their best to oust EA as the most despicable games company.

Let's not get hasty here people, nobody is that bad.

Dcully · 07-12-2017 8:29pm

Waves of refunds handed out already, hilarious stuff bungie.

Mitch Connor · 08-12-2017 9:52am

So - Trials isn't cancelled this weekend, so have fun going up against Promethius Lens or whatever it is called. Not that I play much of Trials anyway, but I'll certainly be avoiding it this weekend. (Out tonight and trying the Raid Lair tomorrow night so no big deal regardless, for me, this weekend) Fix for it is coming on Tuesday with the next round of updates.

Said they are working on a fix for vanilla players being locked out of achievements - but gave no hint of a timeline for that being fixed.

Nowt else of much interest in the TWAB, no discussion or acknowledgement of the gameplay/content issues people have.

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Got my first of the Forge weapons last night - got the Scout Rifle, looks pretty cool. Grinding for those mats is a pain, but better than the ol' Exotic Sword quest stuff!

SeanHarty · 08-12-2017 10:05am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

So - Trials isn't cancelled this weekend, so have fun going up against Promethius Lens or whatever it is called. Not that I play much of Trials anyway, but I'll certainly be avoiding it this weekend. (Out tonight and trying the Raid Lair tomorrow night so no big deal regardless, for me, this weekend) Fix for it is coming on Tuesday with the next round of updates.

Said they are working on a fix for vanilla players being locked out of achievements - but gave no hint of a timeline for that being fixed.

Nowt else of much interest in the TWAB, no discussion or acknowledgement of the gameplay/content issues people have.

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Got my first of the Forge weapons last night - got the Scout Rifle, looks pretty cool. Grinding for those mats is a pain, but better than the ol' Exotic Sword quest stuff!

why don't they just throw up a hotfix that stops you being able to take that weapon into PvP? or just take it back off everyone and when they fix it give it back to the players that had it.

Their so stupidly slow at fixing problems.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 08-12-2017 10:47am

Am I the only person who liked the expansion?
The Infinite Forest is a bit meh, but everything else was pretty cool.

The level design was something else, I spent a lot of time just exploring, looking around.

Kimbot · 08-12-2017 10:51am

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Am I the only person who liked the expansion?
The Infinite Forest is a bit meh, but everything else was pretty cool.

The level design was something else, I spent a lot of time just exploring, looking around.

Its alright but its nothing special. The game doesnt draw me back in like D1 did

SolvableKnave · 08-12-2017 10:57am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Said they are working on a fix for vanilla players being locked out of achievements - but gave no hint of a timeline for that being fixed.

Nowt else of much interest in the TWAB, no discussion or acknowledgement of the gameplay/content issues people have.

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Got my first of the Forge weapons last night - got the Scout Rifle, looks pretty cool. Grinding for those mats is a pain, but better than the ol' Exotic Sword quest stuff!

Don't know how they are going to fix the Trophies situation without scaling back on the power level requirements, or adding a third power level version of the Raid / Lair / NF.

I'm enjoying the mat gathering as it's all public events so far (though only have 4 of the mats). It certainly is a step up from the sword quests we had.

SeanHarty wrote: »

why don't they just throw up a hotfix that stops you being able to take that weapon into PvP? or just take it back off everyone and when they fix it give it back to the players that had it.

Their so stupidly slow at fixing problems.

I'd say it's not as easy as just removing the gun from people's inventory or preventing it being chosen in Crucible. The easiest solution was to turn Trials off this weekend, not like they haven't done it before.

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Am I the only person who liked the expansion?
The Infinite Forest is a bit meh, but everything else was pretty cool.

The level design was something else, I spent a lot of time just exploring, looking around.

It's a little bare after the story, but so far I'm enjoying it. As usual, the visual department have done a stellar job. Infinite Forrest could have been so much better, but I'd hope they build on it later. Watched a Datto vid yesterday and he says that the I.F. seems to be a tech demo in a way, Bungo seeing if they could actually pull off the "Randomness" of the Forrest pathways themselves, and I kinda agree with him.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 08-12-2017 11:00am

I think I paid for both DLC's but was pretty happy with it.

I think it's important to note the upcoming QOL changes next week will make a big impact too.

I've not really been melted by Promethius Lens - so I'm not salty about that.

jcd5971 · 08-12-2017 11:48am

Myself and wondaboy went into crucible last night and man that prometheus lens is death incarnate some lad took out 3 of us on his own at one point it's mad.

I think it's a joke it got out the way it is.
I 100% will use it if I got it though :-)

Tazzimus · 08-12-2017 11:50am

Thankfully realised that the materials you get from public events can be got on any planet and not just Mercury.
Gonna grind out strikes now as well for the other material thing for the second gun.

nevelator · 08-12-2017 11:55am

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

I think I paid for both DLC's but was pretty happy with it.

I think it's important to note the upcoming QOL changes next week will make a big impact too.

I've not really been melted by Promethius Lens - so I'm not salty about that.

Played a few games of PvP last night and man is that gun broken. How it wasn't picked up in play testing is beyond me. Of course, it wont drop for me until after it has been nerfed (same happened to me with the vex, suros & grasp in D1).

I am happy enough with the DLC, the story wasn't the best and was short but it added some re-playability - although I can see why others would be disappointed. The art is fairly cool especially Mercury past. Glad to see heroic strikes back although modifiers would be nice. Heroic adventures are tough enough solo (probably will be ok once LL goes up) - just missed out on the timer but still got the milestone.
Those D1 exotics must have been stored in a off-site bunker when the Red legion showed up to say that they keep re-appearing.

cavemeister · 08-12-2017 12:13pm

Does anyone know how to activate the forge at the lighthouse? I have finished the campaign but there is no way to activate it.

Cheers

SolvableKnave · 08-12-2017 12:15pm

cavemeister wrote: »

Does anyone know how to activate the forge at the lighthouse? I have finished the campaign but there is no way to activate it.

Cheers

You need to run the 3 normal Adventures and then one Heroic Adventure. They are all under a Milestone so that needs to be finished off first before you get your first Forge collectable box thing. You'll have to talk to Vance again to kick things off.

cavemeister · 08-12-2017 12:16pm

SolvableKnave wrote: »

You need to run the 3 normal Adventures and then one Heroic Adventure. They are all under a Milestone so that needs to be finished off first before you get your first Forge collectable box thing. You'll have to talk to Vance again to kick things off.

Ahhhh... okay!! Thanks a million. I'll get on that later today.

Tazzimus · 08-12-2017 12:58pm

Bring friends for the heroic adventure, otherwise it will be a slog and a half.

jcd5971 · 08-12-2017 1:33pm

Tazzimus wrote:

Bring friends for the heroic adventure, otherwise it will be a slog and a half.

I kind of like the challenge of it solo for a change and well.

PetKing · 08-12-2017 1:36pm

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote:

Am I the only person who liked the expansion? The Infinite Forest is a bit meh, but everything else was pretty cool.

Story was paper thin IMO, Osiris is still hugely unknown to me.

PetKing · 08-12-2017 1:41pm

jcd5971 wrote:

I 100% will use it if I got it though :-)

Me and my k/da look forward to being part of the problem should I manage to get a hold of one before it's nerfed (fixed)

Tazzimus wrote:

Bring friends for the heroic adventure, otherwise it will be a slog and a half.

jcd5971 wrote:

I kind of like the challenge of it solo for a change and well.

I chose the Up and Up as my heroic, and after completing it, read online that it's probably the easiest to solo. That said, it felt like soloing a D1 NF at times. No way I was getting it finished in the time alloted.

gimli2112 · 08-12-2017 2:06pm

There's more time limits? Have yet to log on since the DLC downloaded, now I'm not sure I will, any time soon.

Tazzimus · 08-12-2017 2:13pm

PetKing wrote: »

Me and my k/da look forward to being part of the problem should I manage to get a hold of one before it's nerfed (fixed)

I chose the Up and Up as my heroic, and after completing it, read online that it's probably the easiest to solo. That said, it felt like soloing a D1 NF at times. No way I was getting it finished in the time alloted.

Thats the one I did as well. That captain wrecks you if he so much as glances with that gun.

Also, **** momentum

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 08-12-2017 3:02pm

jcd5971 wrote: »

Myself and wondaboy went into crucible last night and man that prometheus lens is death incarnate some lad took out 3 of us on his own at one point it's mad.

I call it the Scrub Melter :pac:
Actually now that I think of it, there was always someone on my team carrying it - which is why I'm not salty about it.

PetKing wrote: »

Story was paper thin IMO, Osiris is still hugely unknown to me.

Story was pretty good, there definitely needs to be at least 2 times the amount of cut scenes. Most of the cut scenes are great, the design was fantastic, they need to show it off a bit more.

I played it over 3 nights, and really took my time to appreciate the level design, so I'm slightly skewed on the length of the story...

I will say the Cabal were completely shoe-horned into the story. It was like someone said, "oh **** - get some Cabal in there quickly!"

CDBWhoop · 08-12-2017 3:43pm

Find the crucible is an unbalanced mess at the moment, even more so than it normally is. Probably due is part to the big influx of new guardians and the weapons balancing issues. Not complaining mind, had lots of fun with the heartburn (prometheus laser lens) and only played a handful of games but in every one the team balance was way out of kilter, massively crushing wins and people leaving or huge losses and people leaving.

4v4 is really unforgiving when the sides are unbalanced. Granted I might have been a bit unlucky but I gave up on fairly quickly.
Ain't nobody go time for that!!

My name is URL · 08-12-2017 6:06pm

Xur has Prometheus Lens, lol

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