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2016 UK import - step by step

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    If you drive a car in from northern Ireland, bought from a private seller what would constitute proof of

    1. Vehicle invoice which must have the date of purchase/sale clearly indicated.

    is a dated hand written note appropriate when the seller is private ?

    2. For vehicles imported from Northern Ireland, where the invoice is dated more that 30 days earlier than the date the vehicle is presented for registration, details of where the vehicle was stored.

    If the date on the hand written note above is within 30 days, then no details required?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭IrishGrimReaper


    You are correct on both, for me when I was buying I did my own invoice on my computer though(looks a bit more legit).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭michellie


    griffin100 wrote: »

    That website is chronic for giving out wrong stat codes. More hassle than anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭squeekyduck


    Just a word of warning to people who are buying cars and not taxing them in the UK, technically its illegal and you can loose the car if stopped by the police or it may be clamped.

    The tax rules are different so when a car is sold the tax is refunded to the seller, that means that the new car does not have tax.

    You can check if a car is taxed and has a valid MOT using this site.

    https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/

    Generally you cannot tax a car unless it has valid insurance or a valid MOT.

    Generally check this site before driving away or you could be having uncomfortable conversations when you go through an ANPR.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Sesame


    I went through the VRT process yesterday so wanted to add a couple of tips.

    1. You don't need the Registration Declaration Form from. The VRT confirmation email is confusing about this. As a private buyer you just need the VRTVPD2 form.

    The email has these two lines:
    "You bring your completed VTRVPD1 (Tan Holders) and Registration Declaration Forms
    Click here to download this form
    You bring your completed VRTVPD2 for Private vehicles
    Click here to download this form"

    2. Try to arrange your VRT appointment for the start of the month (but still fall within the 30 days). I had mine yesterday but I still need to pay the tax back to Nov 1st.

    Mine was quick and easy and I brought far to much proof and documents with me. I checked over the OMSP value and its exactly the average of similar cars on the market so no chance of an appeal!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    Sesame wrote: »
    I went through the VRT process yesterday so wanted to add a couple of tips.

    1. You don't need the Registration Declaration Form from. The VRT confirmation email is confusing about this. As a private buyer you just need the VRTVPD2 form.

    The email has these two lines:
    "You bring your completed VTRVPD1 (Tan Holders) and Registration Declaration Forms
    Click here to download this form
    You bring your completed VRTVPD2 for Private vehicles
    Click here to download this form"

    2. Try to arrange your VRT appointment for the start of the month (but still fall within the 30 days). I had mine yesterday but I still need to pay the tax back to Nov 1st.

    Mine was quick and easy and I brought far to much proof and documents with me. I checked over the OMSP value and its exactly the average of similar cars on the market so no chance of an appeal!

    you could have declared the car off road and paid from 1 dec if it was off the road of course....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭FastFullBack


    Sesame wrote: »
    I went through the VRT process yesterday so wanted to add a couple of tips.

    1. You don't need the Registration Declaration Form from. The VRT confirmation email is confusing about this. As a private buyer you just need the VRTVPD2 form.

    The email has these two lines:
    "You bring your completed VTRVPD1 (Tan Holders) and Registration Declaration Forms
    Click here to download this form
    You bring your completed VRTVPD2 for Private vehicles
    Click here to download this form"

    2. Try to arrange your VRT appointment for the start of the month (but still fall within the 30 days). I had mine yesterday but I still need to pay the tax back to Nov 1st.

    Mine was quick and easy and I brought far to much proof and documents with me. I checked over the OMSP value and its exactly the average of similar cars on the market so no chance of an appeal!

    I've got my VRT check on Friday the 1st, so I got lucky from that viewpoint.

    Defintely the VRT email is confusing between VTRVPD1 and VTRVPD2 forms.

    Even the first line on the VTRVPD2 form is highly confusing
    "To be completed by a person other than an Authorised Person who is presenting the vehicle for registration"

    Anyway I have both forms printed and will fill in and bring both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Sesame


    Didn't know that Isambard. Too late now!

    They could do with rewriting those emails and forms in plain English alright.
    After reading the email 10 times, understood that the VTRVPD2 was for garages and VTRVPD1 for private individuals (or non-authorised persons, what a strange way to describe them), but it was the third Registration Declaration form that confused me.
    The VRT man said you don't need that one anymore. If that's the case, delete it from the email template!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭FastFullBack


    Sesame wrote: »
    Didn't know that Isambard. Too late now!

    They could do with rewriting those emails and forms in plain English alright.
    After reading the email 10 times, understood that the VTRVPD2 was for garages and VTRVPD1 for private individuals (or non-authorised persons, what a strange way to describe them), but it was the third Registration Declaration form that confused me.
    The VRT man said you don't need that one anymore. If that's the case, delete it from the email template!

    I’m still confused, do I need to fill in VTRVPD1 or VTRVPD2?


  • Administrators Posts: 55,043 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I’m still confused, do I need to fill in VTRVPD1 or VTRVPD2?

    #2 for private vehicles.

    #1 if you're a registered motor trader.

    Sesame has it back to front in the post you quoted. :)

    I wouldn't worry about it anyway, if you have the wrong form filled in they'll just give you the other one to fill in. They aren't going to be telling you to go away and come back, the VRT desk is nowhere near as busy as the NCT desk.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Sesame


    Sorry got it backwards, didn't mean to add to confusion. Yes it's the one ending in 2 you need.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭griffin100


    michellie wrote: »
    That website is chronic for giving out wrong stat codes. More hassle than anything.

    I've been tracking a car for a few weeks in the UK waiting to see if the dealer dropped the price. He did yesterday, I was about to confirm an offer when I checked the VRT on the Revenue site. Motorcheck said €1,800; Revenue said €3,500 :mad: Glad you posted!!

    On a related note, if I wait until January to bring a car in from the UK will the VRT be lower as the car is now a 'year older'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭michellie


    griffin100 wrote: »
    I've been tracking a car for a few weeks in the UK waiting to see if the dealer dropped the price. He did yesterday, I was about to confirm an offer when I checked the VRT on the Revenue site. Motorcheck said €1,800; Revenue said €3,500 :mad: Glad you posted!!

    On a related note, if I wait until January to bring a car in from the UK will the VRT be lower as the car is now a 'year older'?

    That website is a joke, I don't know how they get it so wrong. I don't know why people use it anyway when the revenue calculator is so easy to use ( almost fool proof, almost)

    Price should go down in January, OMSP ( mostly)goes down each month. But it's not guaranteed. I have seen price increases. Today being the 1st of the month - most prices dropped by €10-€20 off yesterday's quotes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭TripleSSS


    Does anyone recommend a car dealer near to Birmingham / Leeds?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭FastFullBack


    Does anyone recommend a car dealer near to Birmingham / Leeds?

    If you’re looking for Nissan I’d recommend these guys about 40mins outside Birmingham http://www.westwaynissan.co.uk/west-way-nissan-stourbridge

    Deal was very easy to complete.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Yevon wrote: »
    Going through this process next week hopefully. Think all the documents should be fine but what do people use as the evidence of the date on which the vehicle entered the state? We'll be buying in Enniskillen and registering in Dublin so there will be no 'import documents' as such apart from the invoice but that's listed separately on the website as a requirement?

    I used the sales invoice as date of importation when I bought my car up north.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭aaabbbb


    If you import from the uk is your insurance loaded because it's an "import"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭FastFullBack


    aaabbbb wrote: »
    If you import from the uk is your insurance loaded because it's an "import"?

    No doesn't make a difference from what I've seen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    No doesn't make a difference from what I've seen
    From talking to a broker he said if the car was a LHD from the continent there would be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭FastFullBack


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    From talking to a broker he said if the car was a LHD from the continent there would be.

    Ok LHD probably yes, but UK RHD no.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭pah


    aaabbbb wrote: »
    If you import from the uk is your insurance loaded because it's an "import"?

    When the insurance company ask you if the car is imported you answer NO. That may change post brexit but a car brought in from the UK is not an "import"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭aaabbbb


    pah wrote:
    When the insurance company ask you if the car is imported you answer NO. That may change post brexit but a car brought in from the UK is not an "import"


    How so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭aaabbbb


    pah wrote:
    When the insurance company ask you if the car is imported you answer NO. That may change post brexit but a car brought in from the UK is not an "import"


    How so?


  • Administrators Posts: 55,043 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    pah wrote: »
    When the insurance company ask you if the car is imported you answer NO. That may change post brexit but a car brought in from the UK is not an "import"
    This is incorrect. If the vehicle is imported into Ireland it's an import. It's a fairly straightforward concept.

    A UK import will have no impact on your insurance. Your insurance company may take a bit extra time to get you a quote if the exact spec of the car you are importing does not exist in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ION08


    awec wrote: »
    This is incorrect. If the vehicle is imported into Ireland it's an import. It's a fairly straightforward concept.

    A UK import will have no impact on your insurance. Your insurance company may take a bit extra time to get you a quote if the exact spec of the car you are importing does not exist in Ireland.

    I'm sorry but you are actually incorrect.

    By that logic, EVERY car in Irleand is an import. - Last time I checked no cars currently on the road were actually manufactured here where they?

    Insurance companies ask the "import" question to determine whether a car is a Japanese Domestic import due to the lack of security features and higher theft rate and scarcity of parts of such cars

    A car personally imported from the UK or Northern Ireland is not classed as an "import" per se.

    Some also sepeartely specifiy if the car is LHD or not.

    Taken for T&C of an insurance doc:

    Snip20180216_9.png

    So, in short, when obtaining quotes for a UK car, then NO you car is not an "import".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Mr_Man


    Hi Folks,

    anyone have any experience with VRT'ing a car when the Co2 band on the actual car is much lower than than shown on the VRT calculator.

    I am looking at an A3 which is listed as 133g/Km on the cars technical data. On the VRT calculator it is shown as 159g which puts it into a much higher VRT band. The difference is around €5k. The 159g/km is for the older engine of the same model.

    Were you able to get the NCT staff to accept the lower rate or did you have to appeal it to the revenue.

    Thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭aujopimur


    Mr_Man wrote: »
    Hi Folks,

    anyone have any experience with VRT'ing a car when the Co2 band on the actual car is much lower than than shown on the VRT calculator.

    I am looking at an A3 which is listed as 133g/Km on the cars technical data. On the VRT calculator it is shown as 159g which puts it into a much higher VRT band. The difference is around €5k. The 159g/km is for the older engine of the same model.

    Were you able to get the NCT staff to accept the lower rate or did you have to appeal it to the revenue.

    Thanks!
    What's on the V5?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,547 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    There is no such thing as trying to convincing the NCT staff, they go off the co2 figure listed on the car's V5c registration document and Revenue's VRT statistical code.

    Chances are you maybe selecting the wrong variant of the car on the ROS website which is giving a higher co2 figure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Mr_Man


    Thanks for the responses, I don't have the V5 and am going by the tech specs listed on the car advert which is on the official Audi UK website.

    All the details entered into the VRT calculator match the car, I think that the change is due to an update of the engine as the model, number of doors engine size etc all correspond to those on the calculator except for the CO2 figures.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,547 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Ask the dealer to confirm the Co2 figure from the V5c.


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