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Once great brands ...... now junk.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    You might enjoy this guy.

    He take products and reviews/annihilates them. Also...

    Watched the first two minutes and hated this guy way more than I could hate Dyson, talk about dragging it out ta fuk!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭tooManyChoices


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Watched the first two minutes and hated this guy way more than I could hate Dyson, talk about dragging it out ta fuk!

    He's a bit odd alright. Talks like he sleeps with his sister but shows a surprising knowledge of electronic engineering and manufacturing. Grows on you.

    I agree with you on the pacing, but I watch most youtube videos at 2x speed..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,493 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    After my first month at work, back in '86, I bought a Pioneers stack system (the one with the 6 disc cartridge and twin deck), 21" black diamond (mits) TV and Philips 6 head VCR for my bedroom. Cost a fortune at the time so got it on the never never. The Pioneer stereo is still perfect and still sound awesome (left it in the folks place when I moved out in '93). The other 2 were superb also; brilliant build quality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Black and decker - I have some drills at home made by them probably from the 70's or even earlier that are still going. Now they only make the light cheap gimmicky stuff that the rest of the companies are making in PRC for a pittance and shipping back home


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭...__...


    De walt I had a drill bought in 2003 from the states still going Batteries only replaced once 2 yesr ago.
    New stuff is pumped out of the factory.
    Stanley again a handsaw that used to last a lifetime no wonder there so cheap.
    Skil and Bosch have gone to the dogs.

    In my day a vice grip had no brand just Chrome Vanadium stamped on it
    My dads 1973 one is still pride in my toolbox looks brand new.

    Going into Mcquillans now is a sad time I remember when I was small going in with dad and being amazed at all the tools now I look at he over priced crap straight off the container from China


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Nearly everything is shoddy. One not mentioned here and probably not familiar to many here is Parlux, an Italian professional hairdryer brand. They might last two months of average, not salon use, if you're lucky.

    Someone mentioned Dr. Martens. The have a small range with a lifetime guarantee. The rest are ok, you'd get a lot longer out of them than standard shoes or boots. But I don't know what they were like years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭Tipperary animal lover


    Yokes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    Has TK Red Lemonade been mentioned? Not the same since they removed all the sugar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,307 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Off topic a bit, but has anyone came across those Ritello Vacuum cleaners? I've owned cars cost less than them, and the set-up looks more like a cult/pyramid selling scheme than an appliance selling business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,318 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Nearly everything is shoddy. One not mentioned here and probably not familiar to many here is Parlux, an Italian professional hairdryer brand. They might last two months of average, not salon use, if you're lucky.

    Someone mentioned Dr. Martens. The have a small range with a lifetime guarantee. The rest are ok, you'd get a lot longer out of them than standard shoes or boots. But I don't know what they were like years ago.


    production of DM moved to china about 10 years ago. a company called solovair makes the sames boots on the machines used to make the original DM boots. same quality as the old ones apparently. probably with the same painful breaking in period. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    You might enjoy this guy.
    YOUTUBE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-vJxez9UF8 YOUTUBE
    He take products and reviews/annihilates them.

    I'm subscribed to AvE! He's a lunatic!!

    He's actually done some videos on holiday in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    production of DM moved to china about 10 years ago. a company called solovair makes the sames boots on the machines used to make the original DM boots. same quality as the old ones apparently. probably with the same painful breaking in period. :)

    All these cnuts had the same idea: Quietly substitute the product you've been making in Europe for years and have built a good reputation for with something that looks identical but comes from some contractor in China. Sell said product to the people you just made redundant & pocket all the money you used to spend on wages for yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭emeldc


    Special K


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Dell have pretty much diversified away from PC/laptop manufacture, and are now broken down across 7 different divisions. If anything it was good business sense for them to get out of PCs when they did.

    There is shag all margin in PC/laptops.
    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    In hand tools, Teng make great sockets and wrenches.

    Even the mighty Stihl have some of their saws built in China now. It was bad enough when they started making low end saws in Florida.
    Their professional stuff is still mage in Germany though.

    Power tools, the Blue range of Bosch are good, and most of the Hitachi stuff seems OK

    Yeah Bosch Professional is better built than the green domestic stuff.

    You get what you pay for.
    I know some people swear by Makita, but some of their stuff is from China or Chinese components.
    Others swear by DeWalt which is actually owned by Stanley Black & Decker and often built in Mexico.
    DeWalt is what Black & Decker used to be.

    Depending on what tools you want you can get some very good stuff from Festool, Fein, Trend.
    Some Japanese brands of garden strimmers & chainsaws such as Echo, Tanaka, Shindaiwa are reasonably good kit, but people usually go Stihl or Husky for pro kit.
    AMKC wrote: »
    Black and Decker.

    Used to be great but where are they now?

    Look at DeWalt.

    The thing is multiple brands are often owned by the same conglomerate and thus often share some components.
    The brands are often aimed at different market sectors and priced accordingly.
    Now there is usually a quality difference to match that price with emphasis on the materials used which then have a huge effect on the durability of the kit.
    And the other thing is the high value top end brands are the ones owned by the lower value mass market brands.

    It has gotten the same as the automotive/vehicle business where there is now only really a few players.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    bullvine wrote: »
    Has TK Red Lemonade been mentioned? Not the same since they removed all the sugar.

    Not as bad as lucozade since they changed the recipe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,318 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    Not as bad as lucozade since they changed the recipe.


    they managed to remove all of its magical healing powers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭5rtytry56


    Hornby


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    bullvine wrote: »
    Has TK Red Lemonade been mentioned? Not the same since they removed all the sugar.

    Still ahead of Nash's, another brand pubs often use.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 902 ✭✭✭MysticMonk


    Olivetti..especially their Golf-ball typewriters.


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Same for Russel Hobbs - these lads used to have actual real life factories in the UK producing actual physical goods. Now it's just an office some place that orders in tack from various unheard of Chinese manufacturers
    Aye, Russell Hobbs are part of Spectrum Brands now, who also have Black & Decker, George Foreman, Remington and I noticed even products like ArmorAll and STP for cars!

    http://www.spectrumbrands.com/OurBrands/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    My wife has my in laws old Kenwood Chef mixer since they replaced it. Think it was a wedding gift to them back in the 70s.

    The newer ones have vinyl gears supposedly whereas the old stuff is all metal and lasts forever. It weighs a ton, prob made by a man with a moustache in a shed somewhere in England.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭tooManyChoices


    mailforkev wrote: »
    My wife has my in laws old Kenwood Chef mixer since they replaced it. Think it was a wedding gift to them back in the 70s.

    The newer ones have vinyl gears supposedly whereas the old stuff is all metal and lasts forever. It weighs a ton, prob made by a man with a moustache in a shed somewhere in England.
    I'm sure that they still have one of a similar quality that's really expensive, but now have a slightly cheaper but still fancy looking one made with much cheaper parts - which is the case with most of these products.

    Anyway, the motor is still going to go before you shred the gears.

    (Edit: I also use an inherited Kenwood Chef mixer, pretty sure it'll outlive me.)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Irish water


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭tedpan


    david75 wrote:
    Irish water


    Hmmm, don't remember them ever being a great brand??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Ted Plain


    Reading through this thread is a real walk down memory lane. I used to work in the brown goods (as consumer electronics were called back then) trade back in the day, so here goes...

    Already at that stage the big manufacturers had closed down the factories in Europe and were producing in the Far East, but at least the products were designed by the original companies. Nowadays they all seem to have sold off the brand names to whoever had the cash to buy them.

    Blaupunkt used to be a fancy TV brand and then became huge in car audio. I think that car manufacturers switched to in-built car stereos in order to stop rampant car stereo theft and I'd say this really hit Blaupunkt hard. I hadn't seen the name in years and then recently saw a Blaupunkt TV on sale in Tesco, so someone must have bought the rights to the name from Bosch.

    In the early 1990s, Mitsubishi was the biggest selling TV brand in Ireland. I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly The term 'Black Diamond' was originally the name of their Black Matrix tube technology. These tubes were somewhat flatter than the normal tubes of the time. Toshiba's Flatter, Squarer Tube (FST) TV ads was for pretty much the same thing. At some stage they must have abandoned the Mitsubishi brand entirely for Black Diamond. Can't remember.

    At that time Nokia were better known for their TV sets. I think they had two brands; Nokia and Salora.

    Nordmende, Telefunken and another brand called Saba were all old German companies that were bought by Thomson. In their heyday, Nordmende had some pretty cool TVs, like this one, and the ones sold in Ireland were assembled by a company called Reynolds of Dundalk. Now, I can't remember if they were fully assembled or just "produced". Produced was the term given to converting TVs to the PAL-I standard that was used in Ireland.

    Thomson also owned Ferguson, and their stuff was internally identical to the other three brands, but in Ireland at the time the brand was distributed by Electrolux.

    Thomson also sold the world's first production widescreen TV. I think it was a 32" and it weighed a tonne. On the day of its launch Thomson bought a block of TV advertising across all French TV stations and transmitted the ad for it simultaneously across them all. I seem to remember that it was more common to refer to widescreen as "16 by 9" at that time.

    JVC also sold off their consumer electronics business and I actually recently bought a 32" JVC TV for the bedroom in Currys. It's grand, but you can tell it's a budget machine alright. Way back when, we had a JVC HR-7700 VCR. It was from 1983 and came with a video of the highlights of the 1982 World Cup in Spain. I can tell you that that tape was watched until it was nearly threadbare! Originally, many other VCR brands were rebadged JVCs at the Victor Company of Japan owned the rights to the VHS format.

    I myself really liked the Aiwa brand and had a couple of things from them; a few Walkmans, an alarm clock radio (which I still have) and an NSX-330 mini hifi. I remember the 3-CD changer with the flashing lights that somebody else mentioned, too.

    I liked Philips stuff, too. They had some really stylish looking pieces of kit and to this day I have two fine hifi systems from them.

    Nowadays, I usually buy either LG or Samsung. My main TV, microwave, fridge and washing machine and from these two and they are all excellent products. When it comes to vacuum cleaners I would highly recommend Miele. After going through countless useless vacuums I splashed out and bought a Miele and it was like nothing else. Another great brand is Bosch Professional (the blue stuff).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,049 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Magnavox. The best TVs and video recorders in the US once. Now absolute tat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭tedpan


    Magnavox. The best TVs and video recorders in the US once. Now absolute tat.


    Magnavox were never really big here. They've been owned by Philips since the 70s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    tedpan wrote: »
    Clark's Shoes. Used to survive anything when I was a kid, now they fall apart within a year and I barely move these days..

    Stop cramming your feet in to kids shoes and they'll last longer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    SEGA were the bees knees when I was a young kid. Everybody I knew had a Megadrive. Then Sony and Microsoft entered the market and took over. SEGA eventually responded with the dreamcast which flopped and we never heard from them again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭tedpan


    SEGA were the bees knees when I was a young kid. Everybody I knew had a Megadrive. Then Sony and Microsoft entered the market and took over. SEGA eventually responded with the dreamcast which flopped and we never heard from them again.


    Parts of Sega are still going with some game development and releases. We obviously never saw a console since the Dreamcast, suppose you can say the brand has gone to **** though..


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