DCM 2017 Graduates: Onwards and upwards!

El Caballo · 29-11-2017 12:08AM

skyblue46 wrote: »

I suppose what it boils down to is that random running by feel or targeting aggressive paces may feel comfortable today and tomorrow but the cumulative affects will not be felt until weeks later. If we push too hard now there will be a price to be paid in the future. Accepted wisdom is that for a reason, it has been proven. I'm reverting to the slowly slowly catchy monkey approach. :pac:

Yep, nail on head!

Running is all about sustainability and consistency. You got to pace yourself through a block of training just like you do in a race, go out too fast and you risk the wheels coming off later on. Ideally, you want to gradually nudge the level up over time. Nothing wrong with running naked though, by feel I mean:p if you have the effort dialled in for for each run.

quickbeam · 29-11-2017 07:10AM

I don't really get all these training plans. I think I need to join a club and have somebody give me the idiot's guide and hold my hand (metaphorically!!) while I train. I'm a graduate of C25K and Hal Higdon, so exactly the stuff that doesn't prepare me for training (as Testosterscone pointed out). I've never really "trained" before, just ran.

If I am to get serious about this, then I guess I need to learn what it's all about. Though "if" is a key word here - I took up running to lose weight and that's done. I now just want to enjoy running, enjoy the social aspect of the likes of Parkrun, and the occasional race and maintain my weight. I'd like to get better and faster - I just need to decide if the effort is worth the result?

Swashbuckler · 29-11-2017 07:43AM

You'll enjoy just running for now but if my experience is anything to go by you'll eventually get bored of doing the same old runs all the time.
To be honest it's not that much more effort to train right. If anything the variety keeps it interesting. But each to their own. Nothing wrong with just running for the social aspect.

Why not have a look at a plan and post any questions here? We can be the guides to help you interpret.

quickbeam · 29-11-2017 08:00AM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

You'll enjoy just running for now but if my experience is anything to go by you'll eventually get bored of doing the same old runs all the time.
To be honest it's not that much more effort to train right. If anything the variety keeps it interesting. But each to their own. Nothing wrong with just running for the social aspect.

Why not have a look at a plan and post any questions here? We can be the guides to help you interpret.

Yeah that's my worry. I barely know where to start with questions - hence why I thought a club might be the way to go. But if I do have any that I can ask here'll be the first place I come!

Wubble Wubble · 29-11-2017 08:43AM

Damo 2k9 wrote: »

Glad clicker asked about that, in a really similar situation at the minute, only starting with sessions. Running with a couple people who are fairly knowledgeable runners, so have been asking many questions. First session was 4x3mins w/ 2min rec, then the following week we had only 90 seconds recovery, the 30 seconds definitely make a difference. Im glad to see ive been doing them right by running @ race pace, just need to get more miles in during the week and I should be in a decent place to get sub 19. Apart from jingle bells is there any other 5ks coming up?? Even in new year, cant get to JB which im gutted about as would love to meet up with a few of ye again.

Damo, here's two that may be of interest....

New Year's Eve in Santry ... http://clonliffeharriersac.com/xmas-cracker-5k/
or maybe the Tom Brennan Memorial 5k on New Year's Day in the Phoenix Park.

Kellygirl · 29-11-2017 08:54AM

quickbeam wrote: »

I don't really get all these training plans. I think I need to join a club and have somebody give me the idiot's guide and hold my hand (metaphorically!!) while I train. I'm a graduate of C25K and Hal Higdon, so exactly the stuff that doesn't prepare me for training (as Testosterscone pointed out). I've never really "trained" before, just ran.

If I am to get serious about this, then I guess I need to learn what it's all about. Though "if" is a key word here - I took up running to lose weight and that's done. I now just want to enjoy running, enjoy the social aspect of the likes of Parkrun, and the occasional race and maintain my weight. I'd like to get better and faster - I just need to decide if the effort is worth the result?

I think that’s perfectly fine though. For some running is about racing, for others it’s about getting out of the house, for others meeting friends and having a chat, for others it’s to relieve stress etc etc. I remember reading articles about mindfulness running at one stage. No hard and fast rules for anybody. My only goal is miles at the moment and using my running time as a break and having a chat. I’m not following plan as not ready to yet. Do what makes you happy and don’t feel under pressure to follow a plan of sorts. Your plan can be to get out 4 times a week or whatever!

RayCun · 29-11-2017 09:56AM

quickbeam wrote: »

I now just want to enjoy running, enjoy the social aspect of the likes of Parkrun, and the occasional race and maintain my weight. I'd like to get better and faster - I just need to decide if the effort is worth the result?

Sounds like a club would be perfect - social aspect, training advice, races...

Testosterscone · 29-11-2017 09:58AM

Wubble Wubble wrote: »

Damo, here's two that may be of interest....

New Year's Eve in Santry ... http://clonliffeharriersac.com/xmas-cracker-5k/
or maybe the Tom Brennan Memorial 5k on New Year's Day in the Phoenix Park.

Aware have a 5k also the week after JB

Baby75 · 29-11-2017 01:10PM

skyblue46 wrote: »

I suppose what it boils down to is that random running by feel or targeting aggressive paces may feel comfortable today and tomorrow but the cumulative affects will not be felt until weeks later. If we push too hard now there will be a price to be paid in the future. Accepted wisdom is that for a reason, it has been proven. I'm reverting to the slowly slowly catchy monkey approach. :pac:

Same here, I found I was running probably tempo pace for me when out running on my own a lot since DCM unless I was running with a friend who is training for a Half, but back to making sure easy runs are easy slow runs are slow and I am looking forward to adding in other sessions to help build up speed so I can target 25 minute 5K at the end of a training plan in the new year:)

I will be honest I have no clue when I see someone put up sessions focused on increasing pace & recovery LOL well I understand a little, I just wonder how do I work that out so I can put it in to practice, I guess I need a new watch! but I am excited to try it I want to see what I can achieve

on a side note! Lost my first toenail from running the marathon:D slightly proud moment if not a yuck and that is messed up moment!

:D:D

leesider77 · 29-11-2017 01:16PM

Hi everyone. Loads of great posts to catch up on. Have the time as I’m in bed with the flu the past few days - have the energy to look at my phone now so that is progress :-) But no running or my strength exercises for past week which is frustrating. Was supposed to get an assessment from my Physio this week as well and see if I can up my distances a bit. Suppose I should just be patient and be thankful that I’m not dealing with anything too serious.

I’m doing the chi running course with cathriona mckiernan over 6 weeks and think it’s great so far. (This week was cancelled due to the flu so good timing for me) It’s amazing how a few minor things make a difference. Would recommend it if anyone was considering it.

I’m planning ahead and once I get the all clear from the Physio I really want to make an effort at getting a bit faster next year and also build a better base fitness going into the summer. Time is an issue for me so best I can fit in is 4 runs. So which ones do you think I should focus on from the plans? I’m not a speedster but think I have loads of room for improvement over half distance so am going to focus on this distance.

Finally, has anyone ran the Meath spring half. It’s two laps. Was thinking of signing up to give me something to aim for after Raheny.

skyblue46 · 29-11-2017 03:19PM

leesider77 wrote: »

Hi everyone. Loads of great posts to catch up on. Have the time as I’m in bed with the flu the past few days - have the energy to look at my phone now so that is progress :-) But no running or my strength exercises for past week which is frustrating. Was supposed to get an assessment from my Physio this week as well and see if I can up my distances a bit. Suppose I should just be patient and be thankful that I’m not dealing with anything too serious.

I’m doing the chi running course with cathriona mckiernan over 6 weeks and think it’s great so far. (This week was cancelled due to the flu so good timing for me) It’s amazing how a few minor things make a difference. Would recommend it if anyone was considering it.

I’m planning ahead and once I get the all clear from the Physio I really want to make an effort at getting a bit faster next year and also build a better base fitness going into the summer. Time is an issue for me so best I can fit in is 4 runs. So which ones do you think I should focus on from the plans? I’m not a speedster but think I have loads of room for improvement over half distance so am going to focus on this distance.

Finally, has anyone ran the Meath spring half. It’s two laps. Was thinking of signing up to give me something to aim for after Raheny.

I've heard good things about that half. It's also referred to as he Bohermeen half. I'm planning to do it. As for your 4 days running I'd think 2 sessions, the LSR and one other 60 minute easy run.

RayCun · 29-11-2017 03:25PM

go to the Events forum and search for bohermeen half
https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?subforums=1&forum=1254&query=bohermeen+half

(same with any race, there's lots of useful threads in Events)

El Caballo · 29-11-2017 06:33PM

Kellygirl wrote: »

I think that’s perfectly fine though. For some running is about racing, for others it’s about getting out of the house, for others meeting friends and having a chat, for others it’s to relieve stress etc etc. I remember reading articles about mindfulness running at one stage. No hard and fast rules for anybody. My only goal is miles at the moment and using my running time as a break and having a chat. I’m not following plan as not ready to yet. Do what makes you happy and don’t feel under pressure to follow a plan of sorts. Your plan can be to get out 4 times a week or whatever!

Great post KG!

Joining a club sounds like a great plan for what you want Quickbeam. This is a hobby after all so the most important thing is that you enjoy it and do it for your own reasons. No harm in keeping everyone updated and following on in this thread with your fellow graduates anyway and if you do come up with any questions along the way, I'm sure someone will be more than willing to help out.

Damo 2k9 · 30-11-2017 12:10AM

Testosterscone wrote: »

Aware have a 5k also the week after JB

Thanks for that lads, I'm off next Saturday (for the second time this year) so might vive the aware 5k a go instead of a Parkrun.

skyblue46 · 30-11-2017 12:19AM

Damo 2k9 wrote: »

Thanks for that lads, I'm off next Saturday (for the second time this year) so might vive the aware 5k a go instead of a Parkrun.

Yeah it's worth looking at. I might do the 10k.

ariana` · 30-11-2017 10:01AM

I've another question

How does joining a club and partaking in club runs/sessions work when you're following a plan

I've decided my goal is a half marathon in March and a 10km in April/May and another HM in June next year.

So for now i'm thinking the 10km-HM plan from the Graduates link. But I'm also debating joining a club. My local club does a track session once a week and some informal meet & runs on other evenings. It's the track session I'm most interested in but as far as i know it's not geared towards anything in particular other than from Aug-Oct he breaks the group into 2 - those doing Dublin and those not. I feel i'd really benefit from doing this type of session in a group though. So do i just swop out a session from the plan? Or is this defeating the purpose of the plan

I did all the training for DCM on my own and i don't think i could do it again, at least not right now, I'd like more sociable running :cool:

Testosterscone · 30-11-2017 10:13AM

ariana` wrote: »

I've another question

How does joining a club and partaking in club runs/sessions work when you're following a plan

I've decided my goal is a half marathon in March and a 10km in April/May and another HM in June next year.

So for now i'm thinking the 10km-HM plan from the Graduates link. But I'm also debating joining a club. My local club does a track session once a week and some informal meet & runs on other evenings. It's the track session I'm most interested in but as far as i know it's not geared towards anything in particular other than from Aug-Oct he breaks the group into 2 - those doing Dublin and those not. I feel i'd really benefit from doing this type of session in a group though. So do i just swop out a session from the plan? Or is this defeating the purpose of the plan

I did all the training for DCM on my own and i don't think i could do it again, at least not right now, I'd like more sociable running :cool:

I would say go for the club. You can swap in that session depending on what it is it could be similar stress to one on the plan. Talk to the coach tell them you aims and they may be able to tweak paces or recoveries.

Don't be afraid to be open to new ideas and the idea of a training group. It's one of the biggest things missing in Irish running these days to be honest.

RolandDeschain · 30-11-2017 09:32PM

Fair play to you guys getting out there running. I can't get the motivation to go run in that cold!

Baby75 · 30-11-2017 09:34PM

RolandDeschain wrote: »

Fair play to you guys getting out there running. I can't get the motivation to go run in that cold!

It is baltic out at the minute I am really feeling the cold

scotindublin · 01-12-2017 08:36AM

Good luck to the Graduates running the JB tomorrow...looks like the race limit could be reached as entries are strong.

Loads of tea and cakes back at the club also....Elf suit at the ready for me!

ariana` · 01-12-2017 09:56AM

I did a club session last night and i haven't lost as much speed as i thought despite not running anything faster than easy pace for the past 6 months. If anything i think i may have gained a bit of speed

So i'm expecting great things from you all of you racing JB tomorrow (no pressure

). Ah no seriously best of luck, just think of the cake, HTFU or it might all be gone

skyblue46 · 01-12-2017 10:59AM

scotindublin wrote: »

Good luck to the Graduates running the JB tomorrow...looks like the race limit could be reached as entries are strong.

Loads of tea and cakes back at the club also....Elf suit at the ready for me!

Is there a bag drop to bring bags from the start to the finish?

quickbeam · 01-12-2017 11:09AM

scotindublin wrote: »

Good luck to the Graduates running the JB tomorrow...looks like the race limit could be reached as entries are strong.

Loads of tea and cakes back at the club also....Elf suit at the ready for me!

You're marshaling, right? Do you know what position you'll be at so we can look out for you and give you a breathless nod as we pass?

scotindublin · 01-12-2017 11:30AM

I believe there is just a regular baggage area this year Sean. I will get confirmation on this though.

skyblue46 wrote: »

Is there a bag drop to bring bags from the start to the finish?

scotindublin · 01-12-2017 11:32AM

Indeed marshalling duties for me tomorrow not 100% sure where yet as I said I will drop in if someone can't make it so I could be anywhere on the course.

Looks like the weather is going to be agreeable this year!

quickbeam wrote: »

You're marshaling, right? Do you know what position you'll be at so we can look out for you and give you a breathless nod as we pass?

quickbeam · 01-12-2017 11:39AM

scotindublin wrote: »

.Looks like the weather is going to be agreeable this year!

You guys have thought of everything!! Well done on arranging the weather

Wubble Wubble · 01-12-2017 11:48AM

See some of ye tomorrow. 305. Don't think I'll make it to Ryan's though :rolleyes:

scotindublin · 01-12-2017 12:08PM

Hopefully you make the cake and tea at least....I will be looking out for you.

Might get closer to you than last year when I was trying to pass you in the home straight!

Wubble Wubble wrote: »

See some of ye tomorrow. 305. Don't think I'll make it to Ryan's though :rolleyes:

Baby75 · 01-12-2017 01:46PM

Good luck tomorrow at the Jingle Bell

scotindublin · 01-12-2017 02:24PM

Hi Sean just confirming that the baggage area will be at the start line so you can drop off/pick up bags there.

skyblue46 wrote: »

Is there a bag drop to bring bags from the start to the finish?

DCM 2017 Graduates: Onwards and upwards!

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