Disabled people in prisons

Andy From Sligo · 28-11-2017 8:59pm #1

just been sitting here, should have been concentrating on the programme on TV but you know your sitting there and something daft comes into your head well something daft came into my head.

What happens if a person who is in a wheelchair is given a prison sentence - how do they get on? .. or say if they have MS or something , or say if they are terminally ill or something or got cancer or something? ...

They dont surely go to 'normal prison' do they?

Fr_Dougal · 28-11-2017 9:07pm

Don’t think terminally ill people go to prison, Andy.

Grayditch · 28-11-2017 9:08pm

I knew a lad who got away with everything in the 80's cause Mountjoy had no ramp.

the_pen_turner · 28-11-2017 9:08pm

I would guess that any really sick prisoners would have a hospital prison or normal hospital to go to.

any disabled prisoner should be treated the same. but surely prisons are designed for wheelchairs

Cookie_Monster · 28-11-2017 9:08pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

What happens if a person who is in a wheelchair is given a prison sentence -

They're not sent to prison, they just clamp the wheelchair

pawdee · 28-11-2017 9:08pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

just been sitting here, should have been concentrating on the programme on TV but you know your sitting there and something daft comes into your head well something daft came into my head.

What happens if a person who is in a wheelchair is given a prison sentence - how do they get on? .. or say if they have MS or something , or say if they are terminally ill or something or got cancer or something? ...

They dont surely go to 'normal prison' do they?

I presume there are designated disabled parking spaces, ramps, Doc M Pack jacks and level entry showers. I don't know. Ask Oscar Pistorious.

pawdee · 28-11-2017 9:10pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

just been sitting here, should have been concentrating on the programme on TV but you know your sitting there and something daft comes into your head well something daft came into my head.

What happens if a person who is in a wheelchair is given a prison sentence - how do they get on? .. or say if they have MS or something , or say if they are terminally ill or something or got cancer or something? ...

They dont surely go to 'normal prison' do they?

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I would guess that any really sick prisoners would have a hospital prison or normal hospital to go to.

any disabled prisoner should be treated the same. but surely prisons are designed for wheelchairs

Not so. Graham Dwyer is as sick as they come yet he's in a "normal" prison right?

Esel · 28-11-2017 9:13pm

pawdee wrote: »

Not so. Graham Dwyer is as sick as they come yet he's in a "normal" prison right?

Arbour Hill is not a "normal" prison.

Stheno · 28-11-2017 9:14pm

Esel wrote: »

Arbour Hill is not a "normal" prison.

He's in the Midlands in Portlaoise is he not?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/news/graham-dwyer-punished-after-smuggling-pornography-movie-and-latest-star-wars-film-into-prison-cell-35833738.html

Andy From Sligo · 28-11-2017 9:15pm

yeah ramps and disabled toilets and showers the like - they wouldnt be in normal prisons surely . The prisons are supposed to be overcrowded as is and have the toilets in the cell and 2 or 3 prisoners sharing a cell.

Where are the 'prison hospitals' in Ireland?

soiseztomabel · 28-11-2017 9:18pm

Watch Oz

cbyrd · 28-11-2017 9:18pm

Cookie_Monster wrote:

They're not sent to prison, they just clamp the wheelchair

Stheno · 28-11-2017 9:19pm

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/homeless-man-who-killed-friend-by-knocking-him-under-bus-in-dublin-city-to-be-sent-for-rehabilitation-in-england-30645713.html

The deaf homeless guy who killed his friend was held on remand in Mountjoy but his trial heard he might be sent to the UK for treatment

Esel · 28-11-2017 9:25pm

Stheno wrote: »

He's in the Midlands in Portlaoise is he not?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/news/graham-dwyer-punished-after-smuggling-pornography-movie-and-latest-star-wars-film-into-prison-cell-35833738.html

:O Thought he was in Arbour Hill for some reason.

freshpopcorn · 28-11-2017 9:35pm

Has somebody being watching Fair City?

MilesMorales1 · 28-11-2017 9:43pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Has somebody being watching Fair City?

I assume at least somebody has, or they wouldn't keep making it.

Andy From Sligo · 28-11-2017 9:44pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Has somebody being watching Fair City?

haha funny enough ...

seamus · 28-11-2017 9:49pm

House arrest is a thing, generally only reserved for those who can't be accommodated in any of the prisons. The number of cases is low, like low double digits.

corner of hells · 28-11-2017 9:58pm

Mountjoy will take prisoners in wheelchairs.

Andy From Sligo · 28-11-2017 11:53pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Mountjoy will take prisoners in wheelchairs.

thats nice

- do the people with physical disabilities get the care and attention they need in prison?

What am I saying, normally a person with disability at home will get half hour to hour of home help (if they are lucky) - more than likely will get better care and all mod cons if they were in prison!

Esel · 29-11-2017 12:03am

Planning a few wheel-bys, Andy?

Andy From Sligo · 29-11-2017 12:11am

im pretty intrigued about all this now - i want need to know more , its gonna bug me know if I dont grasp what happens to physically disabled and terminally ill people who have been sentenced to a custodial sentence how they get on in prison because they must be just as capable of committing a crime as an able bodied person ... but what happens to them if they have to be locked up? - I see when I do a search it says about people in prison with Mental Disability and there is a lot of info on that but I cannot see anything about physical disabilities and if the prisons are 'modified' to accept physical disabled prisoners. But there must be such scenarios.

BTW in the UK it is often said that you are a guest of "Her Majesties Pleasure" - what do they say over here in Ireland?

Stheno · 29-11-2017 12:20am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

im pretty intrigued about all this now - i want need to know more , its gonna bug me know if I dont grasp what happens to physically disabled and terminally ill people who have been sentenced to a custodial sentence how they get on in prison because they must be just as capable of committing a crime as an able bodied person ... but what happens to them if they have to be locked up? - I see when I do a search it says about people in prison with Mental Disability and there is a lot of info on that but I cannot see anything about physical disabilities and if the prisons are 'modified' to accept physical disabled prisoners. But there must be such scenarios.

BTW in the UK it is often said that you are a guest of "Her Majesties Pleasure" - what do they say over here in Ireland?

The deaf guy I mentioned above spent 23 hours a day locked up in Mountjoy

Esel · 29-11-2017 12:20am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

BTW in the UK it is often said that you are a guest of "Her Majesties Pleasure" - what do they say over here in Ireland?

I thought "at her Majesty's pleasure" meant a sentence of indeterminate length?

Andy From Sligo · 29-11-2017 12:27am

Esel wrote: »

I thought "at her Majesty's pleasure" meant a sentence of indeterminate length?

ah right - i thought it was for all prisoners < source: Porridge LOL

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Cookie_Monster · 29-11-2017 12:54am

There was a terminally ill inmate here in NZ recently that got released after 6 months of a 38 month sentence on compassion grounds. I think she lasted about 4-6 months after release before passing away.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11856757

SuperS54 · 29-11-2017 7:05am

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I assume at least somebody has, or they wouldn't keep making it.

Ass-u-me nothing, it is RTE who are making it!

Victor · 29-11-2017 7:13am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Where are the 'prison hospitals' in Ireland?

I imagine each (main) prison will have a hospital ward.

Conor Bourke · 29-11-2017 7:19am

As Seamus said, people can be released from prison to “house arrest” of sorts if they’re terminally ill, they may be sent home or to a hospice. To the best of my knowledge they won’t be guarded 24/7 but are under some form of supervision from probation services.

Community Palliative Care teams can and do visit prisons if someone is terminally ill and cannot be sent home for some reason, Palliative and end of life care can be delivered in any setting.

Disabled people in prisons

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