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  • #1262
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,735 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    ....... wrote: »
    I see post after post of you getting your ass handed to you, yet you are still in denial of fact. Its actually amusing.


    Well it's quite clear what matters most to you anyway, though I can't say I'm surprised.

    I'll leave it at that then since this thread like the many before it appears to have taken a rather nasty turn into a spiteful mud slinging pissing contest.


  • #1263
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    One eyed Jack wrote: »

    I'll leave it at that then since this thread like the many before it appears to have taken a rather nasty turn into a spiteful mud slinging pissing contest.

    Don't like not having an echo chamber? Only spite is from yourself.


  • #1264
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,735 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    uptherebels wrote: »
    Don't like not having an echo chamber? Only spite is from yourself.


    You're having a laugh surely? Spinning other peoples misfortunes to suit your agenda and claiming that I don't like an echo chamber because I deal in fact rather than the narrative that's been tried to be spun here to push an agenda, and any resistance is met with increasing levels of petty sniping and attempted point scoring? I didn't get my ass handed to me at all, but if it amuses some to think that, well, I don't particularly care enough to continue to correct their misrepresentations of the facts.


  • #1265
    FutureGuy
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,255 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    It's always quite telling when you see the anti-choice people out in force.

    I tend to have a game of "count the number of women of reproductive age" in the crowd which usually ends with a count of zero. Lots of old people, men and kids who were dragged along. Everyone except the women the eighth amendment directly affects. Plenty of crucifixes for decoration.

    What galls me is their use of the "pro-science" tag. Anything but.


  • #1266
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    You're having a laugh surely? Spinning other peoples misfortunes to suit your agenda and claiming that I don't like an echo chamber because I deal in fact rather than the narrative that's been tried to be spun here to push an agenda, and any resistance is met with increasing levels of petty sniping and attempted point scoring? I didn't get my ass handed to me at all, but if it amuses some to think that, well, I don't particularly care enough to continue to correct their misrepresentations of the facts.

    Which misfortunes did I spin? I'll ask you again ,in the case above the woman was not treated for her cancer because she was pregnant. You believe the pregnancy had nothing to do with it. So in your opinion why was she denied cancer treatment?
    And this may come as a shock to you but your interpretations of things are not facts


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  • #1267
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Because abortion was unlawful long before the existence of the 8th amendment, the obvious implication of that was that in the natural course of events, the unborn would be born.

    No case was ever brought, so we do not know if the courts might have declared that the unborn have an unenumerated right to life before the 8th.

    They made some non-binding comments that suggest that they might have done so, if called upon.

    Your notion above, that every law against something implies an unenumerated right, is incorrect as a matter of law.


  • #1268
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,850 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Her death was as a result of cancer.

    Mod: One eyed Jack, do not play the semantics game. You have been warned about it in past threads. Cut it out now.


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  • #1270
    captbarnacles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    This is an unusual thread on abortion because the prolifers have been far more candid about their real views than ever before. Unsurprisingly those real views are horrid and rooted in incredibly false pride that we can declare ourselves morally superior because we send our women abroad for an abortion.


  • #1271
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,466 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I did acknowledge as much when I said I had more of a say in what I choose to subject myself to, so does anyone here with the resources to do so, including brown women. Poor people? Not so much, but how many of us here fit into that bracket? I would suggest so few as to make their point an entirely disingenuous effort.

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    Still waiting for your stats/sources on 100% of Irish women getting an abortion when they want one.

    And whats the financial demographic of boards members got to do with anything?


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  • #1272
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    One eyed Jack wrote:
    Because I've thought about it, and because I've done my research, generally in most surveys that have been carried out, they suggest that of those people surveyed, more men are in favour of liberalising abortion laws than women. Women who are pro-life get excluded from things like women's marches and told they're not welcome in a movement that claims to advocate for women's welfare and claims to represent all women.


    I'd like to see some back up to this?


  • #1273
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    It has taken me days to read this thread because I don't have a huge amount of time on my hands.

    There are some very intelligent well thought out posts on both sides from some posters and then there's the "LA LA LA LA, FINGERS IN MY EARS, WRONG BECAUSE I SAY SO" posts.

    Puts people off reading the threads to be honest. There's no real debate going on once this carry on is tolerated and fed.


  • #1274
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Still waiting for your stats/sources on 100% of Irish women getting an abortion when they want one.

    And whats the financial demographic of boards members got to do with anything?
    pilly wrote: »
    I'd like to see some back up to this?

    Funny that the threads come to a standstill when people are asked for facts?


  • #1275
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    You'll be waiting a long time for them to produce facts

    They have to put them through the Magic NIMBY Machine first


    you can add this one to the little list :

    when it's left up to a woman and her doctor, it just doesn't happen :


    I challenge Mr. Kay to find one late-term abortion performed in Canada to a healthy mother with a healthy fetus.

    I am one of many politicians “willing to tackle” this subject. He needs to be one of many journalists who are prepared to admit when their fine prose may have misled Canadians … in this case that late-trimester abortions are not happening in Canada without “reason.”


    Dr. Carolyn Bennett,


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