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I'd like a bonus please.

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  • #32
    Xcellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    Give me a tax break/credits for December which is proportional to the % welfare recipients get. As mentioned Christmas is expensive for everyone.

    It's the season of giving after all.


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think if good honest grafters end up on the dole it's a hard life for them, be that through recession, first in-first out culture or redundancy. It's no picnic and it's isolating as all your peers are in work and you're alone.

    On the other hand, if you're the type that's made a lifestyle of it, never intend doing a tap, know how to unfairly bleed the system and surround yourself with people of the same ilk, that's an entirely different ball game.

    The two are not comparable.


  • #34
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    It's not a bonus, it's a yearly salary spread out over 54 weeks :pac:

    Seriously though, I'd rather they stopped calling it a Xmas bonus. It just gets begrudgers riled up and whingey.

    Would you rather go on the dole so that you can claim €160 extra for that week?


  • #35
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    The only time I ever got a bonus was when I was on the dole, I certainly don't begrudge anyone else receiving now that I am earning proper money and can have a lovely Christmas.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It would be good for the economy too I guess? It'll all be spent on food and presents so the State gets a good chunk back as vat and the rest goes into shopkeepers


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  • #37
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Give people on SI a bit extra at Xmas.

    But not people on SA.


  • #38
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #39
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    No one is EVER just on the basic E188 a week.  So that can end right now.

    Add up all the other freebies that we have to pay for and they're on a lot more.

    I still can't imagine they are making as much as a salaried worker.
    Well, maybe they should find a job then?


  • #40
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Deleted User wrote: »
     And anyone with a private pension is subsidised by the taxpayer. And anyone with children. And anyone working for the state. 

    High earner with children don't get subsidized, they get a (small) part of that they payed to the state back.
    Working for the state do some service for the people, for example arranging Christmas bonuses to those who entitled.


  • #41
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    My apologies for thinking Jobseeker's was the same as other benefits.

    I realise now I was incorrect and I hope you all accept my apologies.


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  • #42
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    riffmongous wrote: »
    It would be good for the economy too I guess? It'll all be spent on food and presents so the State gets a good chunk back as vat and the rest goes into shopkeepers
    If the same amount of money is distributed among working people as tax relieves, those money would also be spent on foods and presents.


  • #43
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #44
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Knine


    Reati wrote: »
    Not working as hard as a salaried worker either I'd bet....

    Oh I would say a Full Time Carer works far harder then the salaried worker.......... With no lunch breaks, no holidays & certainly no respite


  • #45
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Knine wrote: »
    Oh I would say a Full Time Carer works far harder then the salaried worker.......... With no lunch breaks, no holidays & certainly no respite

    Could not agree more.


  • #46
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    na1 wrote: »
    High earner with children don't get subsidized, they get a (small) part of that they payed to the state back.
    How is a Christmas bonus a "subsidy" any more than any other payment from the state?
    If we're going to do the adding up of taxes and subtraction of payments thing then I'm sure we'll find a large majority of the population is "subsidised" by the state.


  • #47
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1



    Oh I would say a Full Time Carer works far harder then the salaried worker..........  With no lunch breaks, no holidays & certainly no respite
    I would say the Bangladeshi workers have much harder/dangerous work with no lunch breaks, holidays and insurance.
    and the don't have even 10th of what full time carer is getting in Ireland. Would you mind sending your own money to support them?


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    na1 wrote: »
    If the same amount of money is distributed among working people as tax relieves, those money would also be spent on foods and presents.

    Would it though? I can only speak for my myself but I do get a Christmas bonus and around half of it goes into my savings as I get enough anyway to cover presents and food


  • #49
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    na1 wrote: »
    High earner with children don't get subsidized, they get a (small) part of that they payed to the state back.
    How is a Christmas bonus a "subsidy" any more than any other payment from the state?
    If we're going to do the adding up of taxes and subtraction of payments thing then I'm sure we'll find a large majority of the population is "subsidised" by the state.
    Yes according to the states stats about 50% of the population are "subsidised" by the state. This doesn't meant this is a good thing though...


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    The same reason you'd argue for the taxpayer to subsidise Apple and the like


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    na1 wrote: »
    Yes according to the states stats about 50% of the population are "subsidised" by the state. This doesn't meant this is a good thing though...
    It'll be more than that I'm pretty sure.


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  • #52
    Vladimir Poontang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Vladimir Poontang


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    And you got nothing else ? No medical card ? No reduced rate prescriptions ? No contribution to rent ? Nothing ????

    Try five years on 188. I did it. Could have got a medical card but didn't.

    No other extras. It was soul crushing


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    na1 wrote: »
    Well, maybe they should find a job then?

    I find this amusing. As if it's so easy to find a job. Just click your fingers and boom! A job appears with a desire for whatever skillset you have.

    I returned to Ireland a while back to look after my parents who have both been ill. So, I was looking for work in the Midlands. I have a variety of business/Finance degrees, with related corporate experience. Useful? Nope. Went to quite a few of interviews but nothing turned up. Unless I went to the major population centers like Dublin/Galway, there was very little actually available. (which I actually did for a while, but my family commitments made that too difficult)

    The jobs that were available was commission based sales (extremely unreliable income) or very specific jobs like being a chef or construction machinery positions. I found it interesting how many jobs require some sort of educational certification or such.

    In any case, I turned to the Internet and programming for my income. I'm not on the Dole, but tbh that's only because I had the skills to do online work.

    So while Ireland has very low unemployment right now, Dublin is booming and other major areas are recovering, there will be many people out there that either don't have the skills/education required for the jobs on offer... Or they've been off the job scene long enough that past experience counts for very little.

    There are definitely people on the dole who are dodging getting work and avoiding being independent of welfare. However, There are also people who are limited to their local area with valid reasons and there isn't that much actual work available.

    And simply saying "get a job" is ignorant of the complexities of being an adult. We don't choose many of the responsibilities we have in our lives which can severely limit our options for finding work, commuting, etc.


  • #54
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Vladimir Poontang wrote: »
    Try five years on 188. I did it. Could have got a medical card but didn't.

    No other extras. It was soul crushing

    I know, I do apologise - I didn't realise JS was different to the others.


  • #55
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    No one is EVER just on the basic E188 a week. So that can end right now.

    Add up all the other freebies that we have to pay for and they're on a lot more.

    I was on just 188 a week. So that just shows how little you know.


  • #56
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I find this amusing. As if it's so easy to find a job. Just click your fingers and boom! A job appears with a desire for whatever skillset you have.

    I returned to Ireland a while back to look after my parents who have both been ill. So, I was looking for work in the Midlands. I have a variety of business/Finance degrees, with related corporate experience. Useful? Nope. Went to quite a few of interviews but nothing turned up. Unless I went to the major population centers like Dublin/Galway, there was very little actually available. (which I actually did for a while, but my family commitments made that too difficult)

    The jobs that were available was commission based sales (extremely unreliable income) or very specific jobs like being a chef or construction machinery positions. I found it interesting how many jobs require some sort of educational certification or such.

    In any case, I turned to the Internet and programming for my income. I'm not on the Dole, but tbh that's only because I had the skills to do online work.

    So while Ireland has very low unemployment right now, Dublin is booming and other major areas are recovering, there will be many people out there that either don't have the skills/education required for the jobs on offer... Or they've been off the job scene long enough that past experience counts for very little.

    There are definitely people on the dole who are dodging getting work and avoiding being independent of welfare. However, There are also people who are limited to their local area with valid reasons and there isn't that much actual work available.

    And simply saying "get a job" is ignorant of the complexities of being an adult. We don't choose many of the responsibilities we have in our lives which can severely limit our options for finding work, commuting, etc.

    You have no chance. I live in the Midlands but have worked in Dublin for a decade, b**ch of a commute it is.

    I've looked for something closer to home but nothing involving what I am trained for, or what I earn. I know I'm selfish to want to keep the salary I'm on or equivalent to it.

    But there's nothing around. I wish you lots of luck, and hope you get something.


  • #57
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    I was on just 188 a week. So that just shows how little you know.

    Completely agreed, I do hope you accept my apology. I have read up on JS now.


  • #58
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Sephiroth_dude wrote:
    Great another dole bashing thread


    Always look forward to these, regular as clockwork.


  • #59
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    PeterParker957 wrote:
    Grant for what though ?


    To help with the added costs of Christmas.


  • #60
    Sephiroth_dude
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 81,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    I know I'm selfish to want to keep the salary I'm on or equivalent to it.

    Personally I wouldn't consider that selfish at all.

    "The robin in the garden,

    That was me,

    I'm still here, Loving you..

    Until we meet again. "



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  • #61
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    na1 wrote: »
    Yes according to the states stats about 50% of the population are "subsidised" by the state. This doesn't meant this is a good thing though...
    It'll be more than that I'm pretty sure.

    What exactly do you mean by "subsidized"?

    A person who pays a 1000 euro a week in direct taxes, and gets a single child benefit of around 32 euro a week - is NOT subsidized by the state


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