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Let's say something nice about Travellers

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    OK, I'm going to damn them with faint praise here but ...

    I was involved with Travellers in a minor way (strictly professional) for a couple of years in the Noughties. I met them regularly and found them to be absolutely wonderful people: humble, intelligent, religious with a great sense of humour. Very family-centred, as others have said. I remember telling my friends that society had given Travellers an undeserved bad rap. Then, I happened to be in their company once (that was enough!) when they had alcohol taken and my eyes were well and truly opened. 

    I don't know if it was an "In vino veritas" thing or whether they just can't cope with alcohol but it was the scariest hour of my life (until I managed to sneak away) when the people I knew as gentle, funny etc. turned completely (Jekyll and Hyde-style) into violent, dangerous psychos who I really thought were going to beat the s*it out of me for no other reason than I was not "one of them"

    So, as I say: fond memories of many of the Travellers I met but will certainly not ever make the mistake of "befriending" them again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,190 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    I like it when they leave for England.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    the fact is travelers face discrimination unmatched by any other group, according to the UN and council of europe. this fact cannot be denied.

    Do you agree also with the UN decision to put Saudi Arabia on the commission of women's human rights?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    Go to the outskirts of London around the M25 areas and there's literally loads of them, in all my time in Ireland I've never socially met one, went past Dunsink Lane site once on the bus and saw a few around the IKEA store area where some of them live in houses and flats.

    The paranoia about them is absurd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    byronbay2 wrote: »
    OK, I'm going to damn them with faint praise here but ...

    I was involved with Travellers in a minor way (strictly professional) for a couple of years in the Noughties. I met them regularly and found them to be absolutely wonderful people: humble, intelligent, religious with a great sense of humour. Very family-centred, as others have said. I remember telling my friends that society had given Travellers an undeserved bad rap. Then, I happened to be in their company once (that was enough!) when they had alcohol taken and my eyes were well and truly opened. 

    I don't know if it was an "In vino veritas" thing or whether they just can't cope with alcohol but it was the scariest hour of my life (until I managed to sneak away) when the people I knew as gentle, funny etc. turned completely (Jekyll and Hyde-style) into violent, dangerous psychos who I really thought were going to beat the s*it out of me for no other reason than I was not "one of them"

    So, as I say: fond memories of many of the Travellers I met but will certainly not ever make the mistake of "befriending" them again!

    This happens to settled people too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    anna080 wrote: »
    This happens to settled people too.

    Settled people get drunk and want to beat you for being a traveller?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Settled people get drunk and want to beat you for being a traveller?

    Getting drunk and starting fights just because is hardly behaviour exclusive to travellers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,605 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Do you agree also with the UN decision to put Saudi Arabia on the commission of women's human rights?

    i can sort of see their logic for doing it but no, i don't agree with it. it was a ridiculous decisian. however it does not invalidate every other decisian made by the UN, nor is it relevant to the fact travelers face discrimination unmatched by other groups in ireland according to it and the council of europe.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,360 ✭✭✭NeVeR


    My son ( 2 years old ) goes into Temple Street Hospital every 3 months for a treatment.

    We go to the day ward over 2 days. We are there about 5-7 hours each day.

    One time we where there and he was playing in the tiny play room they have. There was a boy and girl ( both travelers ) playing in there as well. The girl was about 8/9 and the boy about 3. My son was a bit shy to go in and play as it's a small room and sometimes he's shy. He was also connected to a drip ( infusion ). She made sure her little brother didn't go near it and didn't tangle in the line.

    The little girl asked him if he wanted to play. They sat on the floor playing with blocks and rolling the ball to each other for ages. She even started reading him books ( which he loves ) They had to leave a little while later and I thanked the girl for playing with him and making his time in the day ward a little less stressful


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    <snip>

    MOD: Banned for 3 days. This is not the 1st action you have incurred on this subject.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Tigger wrote: »
    they often have a courage and confidence that many people lack.

    This made me burst out laughing in work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    the fact is travelers face discrimination unmatched by any other group, according to the UN and council of europe. this fact cannot be denied.

    Think the Rohingya would dispute that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    dinorebel wrote: »
    Think the Rohingya would dispute that.

    And women in Saudi too!!!!


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dinorebel wrote: »
    Think the Rohingya would dispute that.

    Presume he meant "in Europe..."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    Presume he meant "in Europe..."

    In that case the Roma in Central/Eastern Europe would seriously dispute that.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dinorebel wrote: »
    In that case the Roma in Central/Eastern Europe would seriously dispute that.

    The repeated findings are that Travellers and the Roma are the two most discriminated against groups in Europe.

    Whether you think them first or second in that list is not really the issue, either way it's scandalous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Do you agree also with the UN decision to put Saudi Arabia on the commission of women's human rights?

    I'd take anything the UN says with a pinch of salt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    i can sort of see their logic for doing it but no, i don't agree with it. it was a ridiculous decisian. however it does not invalidate every other decisian made by the UN, nor is it relevant to the fact travelers face discrimination unmatched by other groups in ireland according to it and the council of europe.

    But do you not think a lot of the discrimination is down to their own making? Like more people seem to have bad personal experience with them than good. If the Polish were constantly walking unto peoples property without invitation or robbing, shop lifting, animal abuse, wrecking their homes so they have to get them rehoused etc etc etc I'm sure they would be getting abuse on here too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    The repeated findings are that Travellers and the Roma are the two most discriminated against groups in Europe.

    Whether you think them first or second in that list is not really the issue, either way it's scandalous.

    Again its the "culture" of both groups that causes this. The are minorities but proportionately commit a high level of crime
    Never mind the Roma women with the babies:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Years ago I was sitting on a wall beside a fountain drinking a bottle of orange. There was a traveller woman with some loud kids sitting a few feet away. I wasn't paying much attention to them until a flying plastic bottle almost hit me. I looked over at the travellers and the loudest red headed freckled boy said "there's a wasp after your drink". He had been trying to save me from the wasp.

    That's the best I can come up with.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,605 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    But do you not think a lot of the discrimination is down to their own making? Like more people seem to have bad personal experience with them than good. If the Polish were constantly walking unto peoples property without invitation or robbing, shop lifting, animal abuse, wrecking their homes so they have to get them rehoused etc etc etc I'm sure they would be getting abuse on here too


    the discrimination isn't of their own making no . discrimination is never of the making of the discriminated. the discriminators will blame the discriminated for their discrimination because they want to find some excuse to continue the discrimination because it gives them power over the discriminated.
    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Again its the "culture" of both groups that causes this. The are minorities but proportionately commit a high level of crime
    Never mind the Roma women with the babies

    no it's people getting away with it is what causes it. the culture or criminality are separate to discrimination.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Woah that's a lot of discrimination right there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    the discrimination isn't of their own making no . discrimination is never of the making of the discriminated. the discriminators will blame the discriminated for their discrimination because they want to find some excuse to continue the discrimination because it gives them power over the discriminated.



    no it's people getting away with it is what causes it. the culture or criminality are separate to discrimination.

    Nope, you're wrong.


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the discrimination isn't of their own making no . discrimination is never of the making of the discriminated. the discriminators will blame the discriminated for their discrimination because they want to find some excuse to continue the discrimination because it gives them power over the discriminated.

    My favourite part was when you said discrimination.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Omackeral wrote: »
    My favourite part was when you said discrimination.

    I have a new drinking game!


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have a new drinking game!

    Stop, you'd be locked like a Finglas door.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,605 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the discrimination travelers face is no laughing or joking matter.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    the discrimination travelers face is no laughing or joking matter.

    No its not.

    Your posts on the other hand...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Never have an issue with payment. They primarily deal in Cash which I like.

    Generally pleasant to deal with.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    the discrimination travelers face is no laughing or joking matter.

    Are you a trav'lr


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