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Will Leo be the shortest serving taoiseach in history?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,262 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Nothing to see here folks.

    SF stand for justice for an garda.

    Ah stop would ya:)

    Of course that nice man and all round good republican was reformed by his spell in prison :rolleyes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearse_McAuley
    On Christmas Eve, 2014, McAuley was arrested for stabbing his then-estranged wife multiple times in front of their two children.[7][8] He was found guilty on 28 November 2015, and was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment on 2 December 2015.[9][10]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    I think they handled it as best possible.

    It's a mess which goes a lot deeper than a few members of fg.

    :D:D:D

    Ok, you're way too far gone to reach with reason and logic. Good luck with that!

    Classic!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Nothing to see here folks.

    SF stand for justice for an garda.

    Ah stop would ya:)

    FG have literally approved plans to ruin this lads career so as he couldn't expose corruption in a state institution....some thanks for service to the state he's getting



    And your jumping up and down complaining about 4 lads what were convicted and served their time in jail?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    smurgen wrote: »
    The current tanaiste and fine gael high ranking member is/was involved in a scheme to portray a garda whistleblower as a child abusers.your deflection is weak at best.

    Link, evidence?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    You must be a FG supporter given you are insensitively trying to create a smokescreen using Jerry McCabe.

    I actually think you will encourage people to vote SF with your "but look over there!" posts. It's quite a childish ploy.

    Can I ask, what do you think of FG's handling of Sgt Maurice McCabe? Have you ever read his statement?

    It's what FG'ers do. Deflect and talk about ancient history when it's obvious their own are rotten to the core.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    I think they handled it as best possible.

    It's a mess which goes a lot deeper than a few members of fg.

    :pac:

    Okay then. Step away from the keyboard lad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    On the false Tusla allegation
    The Charleton tribunal is examining claims that allegations of sexual abuse were used as part of a campaign to smear and undermine the reputation of Sgt McCabe. The DPP decided against pressing charges in the case due to lack of evidence in 2007.

    Tribunal barrister Pat Marrinan SC said there had been a “total failure” of systems in Tusla, and “every error that is made is to the detriment of Sgt McCabe. There isn’t an error in his favour”.

    “There are those who may say that this litany of grave errors can’t just be coincidence after coincidence,” he said.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/charleton-tribunal-tusla-3489417-Jul2017/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,961 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    I think they handled it as best possible.

    It's a mess which goes a lot deeper than a few members of fg.

    Having seen that two gardai - one a chief superintendent - had sworn testimony that questioned a garda whistleblowers integrity honesty - the minister for justice had no questions when, at the end of the inquiry, that testimony had been withdrawn in face of recordings by the whistleblower? Thats "as best possible"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Link, evidence?

    http://www.thejournal.ie/frances-fitzgerald-maurice-mccabe-3709542-Nov2017/

    Let me guess,that email was jus resting in her account ðŸ˜


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    FG attempted to ruin a good man's life and have him known as a sex abuser and kiddie fiddler all to keep their own snouts at the trough. I literally can not think of a better reason to hold an election and bring them to task.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,177 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Personally I think it would be disgraceful and shoddy to see the government collapse at this time given the crucial time we are in with Brexit and the EU summit in December.

    I think the government has done a good job on that so far.


    What is she even accused of doing wrong? I don't get it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭George Sunsnow


    FF are tripping over themselves to get a motion down first. Why? So they can claim the high ground.

    I think the electorate will know exactly why the gov falls, if it does. Rank hypocrisy and the cover up of an attempt to destroy one man.
    Missing transcripts now, what more will tumble out during a campaign?

    Leo will need the dazzle socks methinks.

    I don't think FF will smell of roses here either but they have no choice to any unconnected viewer of this
    FF compete in SF's space (or rather the other way around)
    There's little or no competition between a SF mind and an FG or centrist mind
    FG will make hay on there being a tribunal already thrawling this subject and it being the authority that not only is the only body properly equipped to draw proper conclusions on all things here including vindicating or vilifying the Tánaiste,the latter meaning she'd have to go


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭Cortina_MK_IV




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Personally I think it would be disgraceful and shoddy to see the government collapse at this time given the crucial time we are in with Brexit and the EU summit in December.

    I think the government has done a good job on that so far.


    What is she even accused of doing wrong? I don't get it.

    Why do you think it would be disgraceful to see the government collapse if you're unsure as to why it's collapsing?why comment before you read the details?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    And the case gets more and more rotten.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2017/1123/922441-politics-maurice-mccabe/
    Transcripts of the O’Higgins Commission supplied to the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission for its investigation into the Mullingar meeting incident were missing crucial pages, RTÉ's Prime Time programme has revealed.

    GSOC had to obtain a court order to get access to the transcripts from the Department of Justice because the transcripts are confidential under the provisions of the Commissions of Investigation Act.

    GSOC obtained that court order in January and the transcripts were delivered on 20 February. However GSOC confirmed in a statement yesterday that the transcripts that were delivered were incomplete.
    The GSOC inquiry centred on an incident that occurred in the opening days of the O’Higgins Commission.

    Counsel for the Garda Commissioner told the inquiry that he had been instructed to challenge Maurice McCabe’s credibility and motivation.
    He said that a senior garda would give evidence that Sgt McCabe had admitted at a meeting in Mullingar in 2008 that he only made his allegations of garda malpractice because he had a grievance against a senior officer.
    However Sgt McCabe had a tape recording of that meeting that proved this was not the case.

    Prime Time revealed that key pages in which Mr Justice O’Higgins confirmed to the inquiry that he had reviewed the tape of the Mullingar meeting and the remarks attributed to Sgt McCabe were not on it.

    The hour that was missing was the hour in which the strategy outlined by the Garda Commissioner’s legal team collapsed.

    That hour was also missing from the transcript supplied to the McCabe legal team during the Commission hearings.

    There was no mention of this incident in the O’Higgins Commission report.
    A spokesperson for the Department of Justice said tonight that "the particular pages identified by GSOC were not among the records of the Commission deposited with the Department in the first place".

    The Department said there was "no question of transcripts being withheld from GSOC or of the necessity for an investigation. To the extent that some pages were not among the records deposited with the Department of Justice and Equality, the transcripts were not complete."

    It's a huge cover-up and protection exercise.

    No wonder McCabe does not trust the Gardaí, Fine Gael or the Charleton Tribunal!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭seamusk84


    The last thing I (and I'm assuming most the country) wants is another election now.

    Don't care about this Garda stuff, a lot of us will punish FF if they make us go to the poles this time of year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    seamusk84 wrote: »
    The last thing I (and I'm assuming most the country) wants is another election now.

    Don't care about this Garda stuff, a lot of us will punish FF if they make us go to the poles this time of year.

    Putting a vote in a ballot box is not hard work.

    Truth and Justice for McCabe is hard work.

    For once in our banana republic, some accountability would be nice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford



    He's an incredible dope....given what's known so far about it

    There's no grounds other than loyalty to hold onto her??

    Maybe she done alot of the behind the scenes work on getting him the leadership??

    But Jesus he'll forever politically tainted by this??and needlessly so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,515 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't think FF will smell of roses here either but they have no choice to any unconnected viewer of this
    FF compete in SF's space (or rather the other way around)
    There's little or no competition between a SF mind and an FG or centrist mind
    FG will make hay on there being a tribunal already thrawling this subject and it being the authority that not only is the only body properly equipped to draw proper conclusions on all things here including vindicating or vilifying the Tánaiste,the latter meaning she'd have to go

    So no blow back for FG?
    Remember the same BS talking up FG before Enda went to the country. He got a kicking.


  • Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mountain/molehill springs to mind here tbh, certainly until tribunal has issued

    Shinners desperate to push this now but I don't see this as being a huge issue for most voters

    Same tbh with 'homelessness' it's a bit media/political circle hype


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    seamusk84 wrote: »
    The last thing I (and I'm assuming most the country) wants is another election now.

    Don't care about this Garda stuff, a lot of us will punish FF if they make us go to the poles this time of year.

    I'm thinking there's alot of Finebots on boards tonight telling us what we don't need and insisting that the undermining and erosion of our entire justice system is just small fish.bed time, I look forward to seeing what unfolds for this farce of a government tomorrow.


  • Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So no blow back for FG?
    Remember the same BS talking up FG before Enda went to the country. He got a kicking.

    Kicked all the way into the Taoiseachs office

    Where'd your gang get kicked?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Mountain/molehill springs to mind here tbh, certainly until tribunal has issued

    Shinners desperate to push this now but I don't see this as being a huge issue for most voters

    Same tbh with 'homelessness' it's a bit media/political circle hype
    Sinn fein are in no position to fight an election for probably a year to 18months


    They have leaderships to be set down and 2 senior members retiring



    FG must have done serious internal polling done to say there gambling on a snap election


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,177 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If there is a GE before Christmas the British Govt will get what they want - progress to phase 2 Brexit negotiations and Ireland shafted.

    Varadkar won't be able to wield a veto in election mode. We'll be weakened.

    If there has to be an election it should be January or Feburary at the earliest in my view.


  • Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sinn fein are in no position to fight an election for probably a year to 18months


    They have leaderships to be set down and 2 senior members retiring



    FG must have done serious internal polling done to say there gambling on a snap election

    Thats the confusing thing, I agree with you here.

    The more I look at it the more it suits a confident FG than anyone else

    But I dunno how confident they should be. Feck all changed since last election imo. Unless someone really dislikes Fitzgerald (and Flanagan at this stage).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,515 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Kicked all the way into the Taoiseachs office

    Where'd your gang get kicked?

    More spin and a dash of deflection. Good for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,903 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Mountain/molehill springs to mind here tbh, certainly until tribunal has issued

    Shinners desperate to push this now but I don't see this as being a huge issue for most voters

    Same tbh with 'homelessness' it's a bit media/political circle hype

    The minister for justice knowingly allows the Gardai to pursue a man in false charges and you think it's a mountain out of a molehill.


    Appears Leo's comms squad are in full swing tonight.


    His time would be better spent sacking her and moving FG on from this terrible episode.

    Instead he's continuing on endas stupid legacy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    Whats' all this about anyway? Who's this Leo guy? I have no interest in politics at all..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭George Sunsnow


    So no blow back for FG?
    Remember the same BS talking up FG before Enda went to the country. He got a kicking.
    Where would FG voters go? Not to SF,Not to FF,not to labour -Independents? Hardly
    Their type is a core in the mid 50's seat wise so that's the block that will at least come back
    They've nothing to lose here and plenty of hay to make on why mid Brexit a government was felled unnecessarily on something that is the competence of a sitting tribunal


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    listermint wrote: »
    Instead he's continuing on endas stupid legacy

    My thoughts exactly. Repeating the mistakes.


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