Will Leo be the shortest serving taoiseach in history?

FrancieBrady · 23-11-2017 10:44PM

Ha ha FF who apparently have moral authority clambering to get in on the act having dithered to give Michael time on his own to work it all out.

Nettle Soup · 23-11-2017 10:45PM

She has to go. She handled and continues to handle the whole McCabe scandal terribly. We wouldn't be here today if he hadn't taped the conversation and the senior Gardaí (still unpunished) were allowed get away with their blatant lies at a Commission of Inquiry. It really is beyond condemnation.

The Gardaí are still a corrupt shambles and I don't think Fitzgerald did a damn thing about it.

How they let O'Sullivan retire with a huge payout after what she did is the reason I will not vote FG in the next election. I voted FG #1 and #2 in the previous 2 elections but they really achieve very very little.

VinLieger · 23-11-2017 10:46PM

Wrong time of the year to go for an election, people dont want to be hit with canvassing at this time of year or have to worry about the result.

Wheeliebin30 · 23-11-2017 10:47PM

Let's have another general election if even to see the journal.ie explode when its ff/fg again.

BillyBobBS · 23-11-2017 10:47PM

He's been an utter disaster from day one. No substance all bluster.

Odhinn · 23-11-2017 10:49PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

She has to go. She handled and continues to handle the whole McCabe scandal terribly. We wouldn't be here today if he hadn't taped the conversation and the senior Gardaí (still unpunished) were allowed get away with their blatant lies at a Commission of Inquiry. It really is beyond condemnation.

The Gardaí are still a corrupt shambles and I don't think Fitzgerald did a damn thing about it.

How they let O'Sullivan retire with a huge payout after what she did is the reason I will not vote FG in the next election. I voted FG #1 and #2 in the previous 2 elections but they really achieve very very little.

I don't think there's legal grounds to clip a pension etc in such a matter.

Wheeliebin30 · 23-11-2017 10:50PM

BillyBobBS wrote: »

He's been an utter disaster from day one. No substance all bluster.

In your opinion.

Nettle Soup · 23-11-2017 10:50PM

BillyBobBS wrote: »

He's been an utter disaster from day one. No substance all bluster.

Enda is no longer Taoiseach BillyBob!

Lest we forget...

VinLieger · 23-11-2017 10:50PM

Realisitcally the only possible change is things swap and its FF in power with FG supporting, nobody wins from an election right now.

Tbh i dont think FF have the numbers to make that happen FG are on the up regardless of what the loud minority would like to believe or shout and scream about

Nettle Soup · 23-11-2017 10:51PM

Odhinn wrote: »

I don't think there's legal grounds to clip a pension etc in such a matter.

She should not have been allowed retire. She instructed senior Gardaí to lie to discredit a very honest and brave man who are few and far between in this country. The senior Gardai got caught out - they had hoped it was their word against McCabe's. She should have been charged with perverting the court of justice or whatever law is broken committing perjury at a Commission of Inquiry.

And I haven't even mentioned the TUSLA child abuse accusation cause by "bad filing" yet!

BillyBobBS · 23-11-2017 10:51PM

tayto lover wrote: »

If there's an election then the parties who cause it could well suffer by losing seats.
If there's one thing i've learned from life it's never to take anything for granted.

FG will have caused it with their outright corruption and treatment of whistle blowers.

FrancieBrady · 23-11-2017 10:53PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

and the senior Gardaí (still unpunished}

Probably because there are too many of them and it would cost billions and billions to prosecute.:rolleyes:

De party of law and order.

Wheeliebin30 · 23-11-2017 10:53PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

She should not have been allowed retire. She instructed senior Gardaí to lie. They got caught out. She should have been charged with perverting the court of justice or whatever law is broken committing perjury at a Commission of Inquiry .

Some accusations there.

Of course you dont have to back them up in this day and age behind a phone.

mzungu · 23-11-2017 10:54PM

It suits nobody to have an election now. I think Frances Fitzgerald will step down and that will be that.

Nettle Soup · 23-11-2017 10:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Probably because there are too many of them and it would cost billions and billions to prosecute.:rolleyes:

De party of law and order.

I meant the 2 senior Gardaí that lied during the Commission of Inquiry to discredit McCabe.

BillyBobBS · 23-11-2017 10:57PM

mzungu wrote: »

It suits nobody to have an election now. I think Frances Fitzgerald will step down and that will be that.

She should be brought to justice not just let step aside.

Murphy going down in flames on RTE

Beechwoodspark · 23-11-2017 10:57PM

Eoghan Murphy dying a death on prime time. Dreadful

BillyBobBS · 23-11-2017 10:58PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

In your opinion.

He's been found out. Move on.

jimmycrackcorm · 23-11-2017 10:58PM

Rick Shaw wrote:

The justice minister of all people actively knew, yet did shag all about a smear campaign, involving the most disgusting and vile accusations anyone could be accused of - about a whistleblower that she publicly was showing support for, along with the person trying to smear him (Noirin Sullivan)

She was correct in saying that she could not have taken any action. Had she done so, she would have been blamed for trying to cover up for the Gardai as well as interfering in the legal process.

I've read the email and I think this is now political point scoring, which is not new.

If I were leo I'd let it go to an election. Let FF and SF take over to mess up the post Brexit economy.

Nettle Soup · 23-11-2017 10:59PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Some accusations there.

Of course you dont have to back them up in this day and age behind a phone.

This is public knowledge. How have you forgotten?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-chief-in-fresh-crisis-over-20-secret-tapes-34715656.html

UP to 20 secret recordings were submitted to the O'Higgins Commission by garda whistleblower Maurice McCabe, several of which contradicted allegations made against him by senior gardai, the Sunday Independent can reveal.

The secretly recorded tapes of conversations between Sgt McCabe and other officers led to a "climb down" on the Garda position "on a few occasions" during O'Higgins Commission hearings, according to sources.

Allegations of further contradiction in evidence will increase pressure on the Garda Commissioner Noirin O'Sullivan to clarify why she praised Sgt McCabe in public while her legal team claimed privately to the inquiry that he was motivated by malice.

In another incident, an officer claimed in the witness box that Sgt McCabe refused to cooperate with an internal Garda investigation whereas the recording revealed otherwise, according to sources.

A source close to Sgt McCabe last night claimed senior officers "tried to bury" him during the inquiry.
Sgt McCabe, who regularly recorded conversations with colleagues, was asked to submit the tapes by Mr Justice Kevin O'Higgins, who headed the inquiry.

BillyBobBS · 23-11-2017 10:59PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Eoghan Murphy dying a death on prime time. Dreadful

Long time since i have witnessed such a poor display.

Odhinn · 23-11-2017 10:59PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

She should not have been allowed retire. She instructed senior Gardaí to lie to discredit a very honest and brave man who are few and far between in this country. The senior Gardai got caught out - they had hoped it was their word against McCabe's. She should have been charged with perverting the court of justice or whatever law is broken committing perjury at a Commission of Inquiry.

And I haven't even mentioned the TUSLA child abuse accusation cause by "bad filing" yet!

There was no proof of that. Ultimately the two gardai who swore to that testimony are the ones with their honesty questioned. She didn't testify to it. There are questions unanswered as to why she didn't launch an investigation into the testimony until it became public knowledge however, much as there is with regards francis fitzgerald not asking why the testimony of two gardai (a chief superintendent one of them) was dropped for the reasons it was.

The Tulsa child abuse accusation fell under the regime of her far darker predecessor.

FrancieBrady · 23-11-2017 11:02PM

That was gas on Prime Time. The presenter took Murphys bait and wanted to deflect to making it all about SF and was clearly told in his headphones to shut up. Hilarious stuff.

Hitman3000 · 23-11-2017 11:02PM

Allinall wrote:

You'll never get through to the naysayers and begrudgers, who know f all about politics.

Terrible when people have an opposing position/opinion isn't it?

Nettle Soup · 23-11-2017 11:02PM

Odhinn wrote: »

There was no proof of that. Ultimately the two gardai who swore to that testimony are the ones with their honesty questioned. She didn't testify to it. There are questions unanswered as to why she didn't launch an investigation into the testimony until it became public knowledge however, much as there is with regards francis fitzgerald not asking why the testimony of two gardai (a chief superintendent one of them) was dropped for the reasons it was.

The Tulsa child abuse accusation fell under the regime of her far darker predecessor.

Yes fair enough...let's get them in the dock and ask them

Birdie Num Num · 23-11-2017 11:03PM

Is there a conflict of interest in Miriam O'Callaghan presenting a programme about a political issue that her brother is so central in?

VinLieger · 23-11-2017 11:04PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Terrible when people have an opposing position/opinion isn't it?

Not liking FG because they dont tell them they will have to pay no tax if elected is not a valid political opinion

Odhinn · 23-11-2017 11:05PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

She was correct in saying that she could not have taken any action. Had she done so, she would have been blamed for trying to cover up for the Gardai as well as interfering in the legal process.

That may well be true, but that begs the question why she didn't inquire when it was withdrawn. She's read an email that questions mccabes integrity yet when it and he emerges from the inquiry intact she has no queries of her own?

BillyBobBS · 23-11-2017 11:05PM

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Is there a conflict of interest in Miriam O'Callaghan presenting a programme about a political issue that her brother is so central in?

RTE is full of conflicts of interest. Public service broadcaster my arse.

Odhinn · 23-11-2017 11:06PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Yes fair enough...let's get them in the dock and ask them

Right. I'll be found dead in a mobility scooter half eaten by whatever pet I might own in the future before that happens and so will you, but we can hope for the unlikely to occur.

Will Leo be the shortest serving taoiseach in history?

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