Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Deleted User wrote: »

Other posters got the meaning of my 'MMA is not a sport' claim and we managed to disagree and have a proper back and forth debate.

I didn't struggle with your meaning. I undtood it completely. I'm simply sayings it's wrong, and disrespectful.

Have you ever seen a reply like that enrich a thread and make for better discussion? I doubt it very much.

It was a statement. It wasnt an attempting to discuss anything.
My follow up was, and it highlighted why you are wrong. That's discussion.

It's not a real sport if progression, matchmaking, rankings - basically entire careers are arbitrary and popularity-based.

You are talking about one or two people out of thousands. None of that applies to two guys fighting on a Bamma undercard. Yet, you've claimed they weren't sport either.

Even Conor McGregor, the extreme example. He was signed with the UFC on ability. His climb up the ranking was based on results in the cage. If they UFC book a bullshït fight today, that doesnt make every fight this year bullshït.

I'm not taking away from what guys are doing inside the cage. They're exerting themselves physically, in most cases they are genuinely trying to win and if that's your criteria for sport then you have a different criteria than me, I accept that and we'll have to agree to differ.

Ok. What's your criteria for sport? And why are two guys on the Bamma undercard not competing in a sport.

You need to go back to the original post to understand the context of my point. We were talking about sporting legacies and whether Conor's will stand up to Fedor, GSP etc. I don't believe you can talk about sporting legacies in a serious and objective way when it's not a true sport.

Why not?
If we agree that Conor's 25 professional fights were real fights (and not fixed). Why can't we assess him purely on ability in those fights?

Here's an example: If Artem Lobov was to retire tomorrow, what is his sporting legacy? He made it to the UFC, he had 6 fights in the UFC, headlined a card against a top 10 opponent. There are hundreds of fighters worldwide who will never get a sniff of the UFC let alone headline a card. On paper Artem has a tremendous legacy. In reality everybody here knows he got into the UFC, he was kept on despite losses, he headlined a card etc because he is mates with Conor. In a real sport you simply can't do that.

Did being Conor's mate give Artem a leg up, of course. But is he entirely out of place in the UFC? No.
He isn't top 10. But there are 70 or so FWs in the UFC. Artem is not even close to the worst FW.

I didn't equate it to the olympics. I contrasted it. One being a real sport, one being sports entertainment. Your comprehension is very poor if you don't understand that. Conor can get his mates into the UFC and headline cards. Usain Bolt can't get his mates into the Olympics.

Except I haven't pretended to not comprend your post. Whereas you did with mine.

The UFC is a single promotion not the entire of MMA. The Olympics is an sporting event for mostly amateur in various sports. The parallel in MMA is the IMMAF world championships or something.
According to your logic, the aspiring fighters who traveled to Bahrain for the world championships last week were not competing in a sport.

It absolutely does because in my opinion fair competition is a requirement for true sport.

...and the majority MMA fights are completely fair competition. Which undermines your entire point. In fact MMA fights are more closely matched than most elite soccer or rugby matches.

Take CM Punk for example. He had no place in the UFC. He wasn't pro fighter standard. Shît amateur at best. But that's his issue only. CM Punk has no impact on anyone else in MMA.
Trying to use a single bullshït fight to claim every single fight in MMA is bullshït is ridiculous, and as I said very disrespectful.

cliggg wrote: »

I just heard on the news that because Conor didn't go to court today for his speeding citation that the judge put it back for a week and told his manager that either Conor or a legal representative has to be there then. He is not contesting it and will pay the fine.

Wait so Audie Attar was in court today for him??

FFS, what kind of a gimp is he turning into. Surely somebody must have told him he needs to be present or have a solicitor present

I really love these "MMA isn't a sport, yes it is, no it isn't, yes it is" posts.

They add so much to the CMcG thread.

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

So Manny Pacquiao has called out McGregor for a boxing bout in 2018. When you think about it, It makes allot of sense for both sides. Manny gets his lowest risk/ highest reward fight at this stage of his career (similar to Mayweather) And Conor makes more money than he possibility could in any UFC fight, And when he looses, all the fights are still there in the UFC. It's a win/win situation.

Paquiao been ko'd 3 times before and has a 67" reach, I give mcgregor more chance against him than mayweather. But he seriously needs an experienced boxing coach, just too many 'why the f did he do that' moments in the mayweather fight, you can definitely see the limitations of his current coaches. All those silly habits he has should've been eradicated during camp but I guess his camp is too scared to give him any serious criticism.

Gamebred wrote: »

Please, just stop, he has zero ''chance'' of beating any top boxer.

How can he have a zero chance. In the early rounds he had some perfectly timed counters on mayweather, any time mayweather tried throwing his right it was slipped. If he can do that against mayweather he can do that against any top boxer especially one with less reach. And all it takes is one to land on the perfect spot and its aldo all over again. As long as he can counter like that you can never count him out completely. With a proper boxing coach and the experience of the mayweather fight he should improve in other areas.

Gamebred wrote: »

Have a good night.

No argument then, thought not. Cya

Ufc seriously need to lay down law here, conor is pissing all over them. Conor has no intention of defending a belt. Ufc should tell him defend the belt first then box Manny or we see in you in court. Tie him up in legal disputes so he fights no where.

Gintonious wrote: »

The cult of McGregor strikes again.

His power in a boxing match is a myth.

Did I say anything about power? Timing beats speed, precision beats power don't forget it

What the actual **** lads...

JohnMc1 wrote: »

This is probably like telling a child the truth about Santa, but you need to hear it. Mayweather CARRIED Conor.

Whether he did or not in some of the middle rounds is debatable. I honestly don't think he did as he was clearly throwing and landing hard punches on mcgregors chin every round since round 4, I can see why people would think that though especially as most are just repeating what boxing fans want you to think, but my opinion is that mayweather was just making sure mcgregor was kept sapped of energy by walking him down hands up making him throw punches, then he would open up.

But 1 thing is certain, there was no carrying done in the early rounds when mcgregor was fresh. Anyone who thinks mayweather missed on purpose or let mcgregor slip/counter him is either a liar or an idiot. I present mayweathers face as evidence